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5/18/13 1:22 PM
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The point everyone is missing is missing is that it doesn't matter how we see the word. It only matters how Diaz meant it. I see it as blanket insult same as douche bag. If Nate meant it that way then there was no intended insult to the homosexual community. I like many other users of this board find retard to be much worse. The entire situation is hypocritical. Phone Post 3.0
5/18/13 1:24 PM
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Shawn, that's an awful story and I can definitely understand the way that you feel based on what happened to your friend. I'm fortunate to not have had anyone important to me be taken away by senseless violence, and maybe "gay bullying" underplays the seriousness of the problem when we have gay lynchings happening; I basically mean "anti-gay sentiment and violence" by using it. Like I said, I'm trying to watch my personal usage of these terms in light of events like that and also the desire not to make people feel bad generally - I'm not so hung up on being able to use certain words that it's worth making another person feel bad about even if I'm not thinking of homosexuality when saying them.

5/18/13 2:56 PM
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It was a long time ago Donnie.  Appreciate your response.  I made my statement as much to illustrate that the (straight, male) youngsters arguing that "fag and faggot" are not-offensive have a pretty steep uphill battle on their hands.  There are tons of grouchy old curmudgeons like myself out there with long and ugly histories.

 

A SimpleFan...It does not matter how Diaz meant it.  It matters how it is construed and interpreted by the Powers That Be.  And the Powers That Be interpret it, construe it, and understand it to be a slur towards a minority group.

The rest of the world, the corporate-professional world, the folks aged 40 and up, the folks that control virtually everything, do not have to bow to nor accept the Southpark definition.

Those youngsters that adhere to the Southpark definition, quite obviously have to bend and understand the widely-used and currently accepted official definition of the word.  Because the old farts like Dana and the executives at Fox, Anheuser-Busch and Nike go by the long-standing and current formal dictionary definitions as presented.

Dana is under no obligation to understand Nates modern, hip, cool, interpretation.  Nate absolutely has to understand Dana's definition. Or suffer the consequences. Life ain't fair.

 

MrZipplock...I'm worn out by this topic as well.   Spoke my peice.

 

5/18/13 4:37 PM
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Thank you for the solid debate/input/opinion brother.

5/20/13 12:32 PM
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Just for shits and grins, I asked my 20yr old son what he thought about the whole "fag" issue, and he laughed and said "Dad, nobody says fag anymore, its not PC. I just say "Don't be gay" or "That's gay" when someone is being a fag."

Maybe only in Canada....eh?

5/20/13 12:58 PM
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The rare time I use the word is to identify the person as a complete twatted out fuck face bitch. Phone Post 3.0
5/20/13 1:28 PM
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LOL at someone that upset over a word saying life ain't fair. And context always matters. Punishing someone for something they did unintentionally is ludicrous. Punishment is supposed to be used to curve an undesirable action. In this case it would be Nate making a derogatory comment about the homosexual community. Since he didn't do this the punishment shouldn't have been dished out. Perhaps a reprimand but not something as punitive as taking his money and ability to make money. You are a little too close to the subject to offer an unbiased opinion. As far as lynching and bullying go the mental handicapped tote there fair share of that as well, but nobody is outraged when Dana or UFC brass call someone a retard. Phone Post 3.0
5/20/13 1:35 PM
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I don't use it for gay people I use it for bitchness.

IMO you can be a straight but be a fag
And you can be gay but be a man. Phone Post 3.0
5/20/13 1:40 PM
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I pretty much only use it jokingly as a slam / or insult to one of my buddies:  "Shut up...quit being such a fag".  I never ever feel like I am insulting gay people when I say this though.  If they take offense to me doing that, I am oblivious to it, and would offer apology immediately.  I never mean it to truly be hurtful to anyone, directly or inderictly.

 

Fags.

5/20/13 3:14 PM
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Thanks Professor. lol

5/21/13 7:46 AM
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5/21/13 8:19 AM
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This poll says you are in the minority. At least on these forums.

5/21/13 8:27 AM
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It's not just Websters.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/faggot

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/faggot

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/faggot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_%28slang%29

http://oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/faggot

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/faggot

 

I understand that you Mr. Zipplock think the word should be changed.  In fact, you obviously think the word has already changed.  I call it the "Southpark definition."  I get it.

"I use it without thinking...." is such an interesting way to describe that choice on your poll.

However, there are many other (older) generations of folks like myself that define the word the same way we have since 1914.

The same way all those reputable, current, on-line dictionaries still unanimously define the word.

The way the UFC, Nike, Budweiser and Fox all define the word.

I can only tell you that "we old farts" are still in the majority.  Old farts also control the UFC, Nike, and Fox.

Once we die off, feel free to change the meaning officially and without dispute.

 

 

EDIT:  For the record, I voted you UP.  For intelligent discussion.

 

 


He said fag, did he not?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fag

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fag

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fag

http://oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/fag

 

It would appear not even you "old farts" define fag as a cut down to gays.

 

5/21/13 8:33 AM
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I know... Kinda of a FRAT, but I'd like to weigh in.

In all honesty, I did not vote and I do use the word/s. I have a lesbian and a gay cousin to whom I am very close. I never, and I mean NEVER use the word as a slur against or towards homosexuals even though have used it in the company of gay people. I voted for their right to marry in Washington.

Will I stop using the word? No. Do I understand the nastiness behind it? Yes. I find the concept of hate speech to be empowered by outrage and offense. Many words have many meanings to many different people. In the UK a fag is a cigarette. In the past, it was a bundle of sticks for kindling. The only reason people use it in hateful manner is because of the reaction it gets. When it hurts, it's effective to people with bad intentions.

I've been called all sorts of things being raised as a white male in San Antonio. To this day, not a single word or slur has gotten to me because I understand its not the word that carries hate, but the person who is using it. It doesn't matter if its fag, queer, homo, etc. it's the sentiment behind it that should be scathing and not the word itself.

I say we stop giving power to words and start focusing on the cause of it: a deep seated hate and prejudice that most people carry. It's like cutting off the mole but leaving the melanoma untreated.

Just my two cents. I understand both sides of the argument and I'm sure this was glossed over by most. This post was more for me than to sway anyone. We are all entitled to our opinions and feelings.
5/21/13 8:41 AM
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It's not just Websters.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/faggot

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/faggot

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/faggot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_%28slang%29

http://oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/faggot

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/faggot

 

I understand that you Mr. Zipplock think the word should be changed.  In fact, you obviously think the word has already changed.  I call it the "Southpark definition."  I get it.

"I use it without thinking...." is such an interesting way to describe that choice on your poll.

However, there are many other (older) generations of folks like myself that define the word the same way we have since 1914.

The same way all those reputable, current, on-line dictionaries still unanimously define the word.

The way the UFC, Nike, Budweiser and Fox all define the word.

I can only tell you that "we old farts" are still in the majority.  Old farts also control the UFC, Nike, and Fox.

Once we die off, feel free to change the meaning officially and without dispute.

 

 

EDIT:  For the record, I voted you UP.  For intelligent discussion.

 

 


He said fag, did he not?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fag

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fag

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fag

http://oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/fag

 

It would appear not even you "old farts" define fag as a cut down to gays.

 


Sure, those definitions make tons of sense.  If you're a British schoolboy.

"Fag" as indicated by Nate is in fact the abbreviation for the lovely American standard "faggot." 

You know it, I know it, Dana knows it.  Nike, Anhueser-Busch, and Fox television know it.

Paint a turd purple, it's still a smelly turd.

5/21/13 8:44 AM
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Edit, didn't phrase what I really wanted to correctly

5/21/13 11:18 AM
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Thanks for your input Tankhead !

5/21/13 11:48 AM
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No prob. Good to know someone read it. Phone Post 3.0
5/21/13 11:55 AM
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UGCTT_mrzipplokk - 

Can't believe somebody voted me down for trying to make a point. Oh well :-(


I will fix that for you.. VU

5/21/13 12:21 PM
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Tankhead - No prob. Good to know someone read it. Phone Post 3.0

Read it.  Good post.  Got my vote up.

 

"We are all entitled to our opinions and feelings."

- Tankhead

Bingo. 

No matter if I'm civil, reasonable, listening to the other side, not insulting folks.

Not to mention having what is apparently, on this forum, a fairly rare and possibly interesting perspective.  Food for thought perhaps.

Vote downs will happen.

5/21/13 12:23 PM
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Effeminate, self centered, douche. But not in a homosexual way. The ultimate description of a homosexual is sodomite.
5/21/13 12:33 PM
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CLINTK9 - Ive said fag, faggot, dont be gay or thats gay 1000's of times. I've never once meant your were homosexual or liked men or anything like that. and I've NEVER said anything derogatory to a homosexual person. and I'm 40!

i can remember being in 3rd grade in 1979 and two kids pushing eachother and one of them going come on you fukin faggot, and the other saying come on dick. yet neither were gay or fighting because one was gay, it was over a playground issue.

Hypothetically.  For arguements sake.

Would it be OK if both kids were white...

Two kids pushing each other and one of them going come on you fucking blue gummer-porch-monkey-nigger.

Two kids pushing each other and one of them going come on you fucking beaner-wetback-spic.

Two kids pushing each other and one of them going come on you fucking cheap-ass tight-wad Kike.

Two kids pushing each other and one of them going come on you fucking Charlie-Chan-slant-chink.

Two kids pushing each other and one othem going come on you fucking towel-headed camel-jockey sand-nigger.

 

All cool with everyone in the mixed crowd of on-lookers?

 

 

5/21/13 12:54 PM
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5/21/13 2:58 PM
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What is especially funny about this stuff to me is that when I was younger and partied a lot, I hung around with quite a few gay people.  They were just cool, funny people that were fun to party with.

 

The dudes liked to be called fags and the girls liked to be called dykes, almost without exception.

 

It was their preferred nomenclature.  Honestly.

 

That's just really funny to me.

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CLINTK9 - Ive said fag, faggot, dont be gay or thats gay 1000's of times. I've never once meant your were homosexual or liked men or anything like that. and I've NEVER said anything derogatory to a homosexual person. and I'm 40!

i can remember being in 3rd grade in 1979 and two kids pushing eachother and one of them going come on you fukin faggot, and the other saying come on dick. yet neither were gay or fighting because one was gay, it was over a playground issue.

Hypothetically.  For arguements sake.

Would it be OK if both kids were white...

Two kids pushing each other and one of them going come on you fucking blue gummer-porch-monkey-nigger.

Two kids pushing each other and one of them going come on you fucking beaner-wetback-spic.

Two kids pushing each other and one of them going come on you fucking cheap-ass tight-wad Kike.

Two kids pushing each other and one of them going come on you fucking Charlie-Chan-slant-chink.

Two kids pushing each other and one othem going come on you fucking towel-headed camel-jockey sand-nigger.

 

All cool with everyone in the mixed crowd of on-lookers?

 

 


would it be ok, no. would it be funny hearing a 3rd grader say some of that, yes. but why arent those words the go to words when your pissed, like Fag is?

They would not be ok and are not the go-to word like fag/faggot is, because homosexuality is the last bastion of socially acceptable prejudice. ;)

 

And if a reasonable parent, aunt, uncle, grandmother or teacher or religious-leader or babysitter heard any 3rd grader talking like any of that, they would probably reprimand them.


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