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This thread isn't about economics it's about morals. You can operate a business and still do it in a moral manner and compensate your employees fairly. Tons of companies choose to do this. The UFC refuses to, so it is up to fighters to bargain collectively to get what they deserve.

Hey guys, this fellow is on to something! That's not fair! They should go elsewhere and get paid what they're worth! Which fighters are we talking about, where should they go and how much will they be paid by the other promotion?

 

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GSP should fight Anderson Silva on PPV in a fight promoted by Golden Boy and should be paid a % of the gross.

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Both of those fighters are already paid a percentage of the gross. I'm assuming that their contracts have more favorable PPV terms than Eddie Alvarez's. Both those guys would clear well over 6 million dollars if that fight happened. Phone Post
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Cindy, Could you remind me again if top ranked UFC fighters are allowed to go to other promotions or arrange their own fights? Can they do things like Floyd or other top boxers do? Or are they only allowed to fight inside the UFC?

Please let me know! I am dreadfully forgetful!

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This thread isn't about economics it's about morals. You can operate a business and still do it in a moral manner and compensate your employees fairly. Tons of companies choose to do this. The UFC refuses to, so it is up to fighters to bargain collectively to get what they deserve.

Hey guys, this fellow is on to something! That's not fair! They should go elsewhere and get paid what they're worth! Which fighters are we talking about, where should they go and how much will they be paid by the other promotion?

 

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GSP should fight Anderson Silva on PPV in a fight promoted by Golden Boy and should be paid a % of the gross.

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GB promotes MMA fights? Focus please.

 

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If GSP and Anderson wanted to get their market value and sell a fight directly to consumers without the UFC and brought in Golden Boy to promote it would they be allowed to?
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This thread isn't about economics it's about morals. You can operate a business and still do it in a moral manner and compensate your employees fairly. Tons of companies choose to do this. The UFC refuses to, so it is up to fighters to bargain collectively to get what they deserve.
How much should the 74th ranked lightweight with a 1-2 record in the UFC be paid per fight? Phone Post

Not a dayum thing- he shoud be cut, IMO. LOL@ fighters thinking a shot in the UFC represents Easy St. from that point forward like they've "made it" or something! It's much harder to stay on the roster than it is to make it.

 

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since when is asking for a living wage representing "Easy St." or shows that he "made it" ?
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This thread isn't about economics it's about morals. You can operate a business and still do it in a moral manner and compensate your employees fairly. Tons of companies choose to do this. The UFC refuses to, so it is up to fighters to bargain collectively to get what they deserve.

Hey guys, this fellow is on to something! That's not fair! They should go elsewhere and get paid what they're worth! Which fighters are we talking about, where should they go and how much will they be paid by the other promotion?

 

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GSP should fight Anderson Silva on PPV in a fight promoted by Golden Boy and should be paid a % of the gross.

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GB promotes MMA fights? Focus please.

 

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If GSP and Anderson wanted to get their market value and sell a fight directly to consumers without the UFC and brought in Golden Boy to promote it would they be allowed to?
No. But if they did they would be lucky to make $500k each. Phone Post
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This thread isn't about economics it's about morals. You can operate a business and still do it in a moral manner and compensate your employees fairly. Tons of companies choose to do this. The UFC refuses to, so it is up to fighters to bargain collectively to get what they deserve.

Hey guys, this fellow is on to something! That's not fair! They should go elsewhere and get paid what they're worth! Which fighters are we talking about, where should they go and how much will they be paid by the other promotion?

 

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GSP should fight Anderson Silva on PPV in a fight promoted by Golden Boy and should be paid a % of the gross.

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Both of those fighters are already paid a percentage of the gross. I'm assuming that their contracts have more favorable PPV terms than Eddie Alvarez's. Both those guys would clear well over 6 million dollars if that fight happened. Phone Post

What % of the gross do they get paid? What percentage of the gross of PPVs do top boxers get paid?
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This thread isn't about economics it's about morals. You can operate a business and still do it in a moral manner and compensate your employees fairly. Tons of companies choose to do this. The UFC refuses to, so it is up to fighters to bargain collectively to get what they deserve.

Hey guys, this fellow is on to something! That's not fair! They should go elsewhere and get paid what they're worth! Which fighters are we talking about, where should they go and how much will they be paid by the other promotion?

 

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GSP should fight Anderson Silva on PPV in a fight promoted by Golden Boy and should be paid a % of the gross.

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Hopefully Golden Boy Prod would be a little more generous than Floyd's Money Promotions. Floyd kept 90 percent of the purse from the last fight for himself. Phone Post
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This thread isn't about economics it's about morals. You can operate a business and still do it in a moral manner and compensate your employees fairly. Tons of companies choose to do this. The UFC refuses to, so it is up to fighters to bargain collectively to get what they deserve.

Hey guys, this fellow is on to something! That's not fair! They should go elsewhere and get paid what they're worth! Which fighters are we talking about, where should they go and how much will they be paid by the other promotion?

 

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GSP should fight Anderson Silva on PPV in a fight promoted by Golden Boy and should be paid a % of the gross.

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Hopefully Golden Boy Prod would be a little more generous than Floyd's Money Promotions. Floyd kept 90 percent of the purse from the last fight for himself. Phone Post

Golden Boy promoted that fight and Floyd's opponent got paid $3million dollards...which UFC fighters make that per fight?
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This thread isn't about economics it's about morals. You can operate a business and still do it in a moral manner and compensate your employees fairly. Tons of companies choose to do this. The UFC refuses to, so it is up to fighters to bargain collectively to get what they deserve.

Hey guys, this fellow is on to something! That's not fair! They should go elsewhere and get paid what they're worth! Which fighters are we talking about, where should they go and how much will they be paid by the other promotion?

 

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GSP should fight Anderson Silva on PPV in a fight promoted by Golden Boy and should be paid a % of the gross.

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Hopefully Golden Boy Prod would be a little more generous than Floyd's Money Promotions. Floyd kept 90 percent of the purse from the last fight for himself. Phone Post

Golden Boy promoted that fight and Floyd's opponent got paid $3million dollards...which UFC fighters make that per fight?
They co-promoted that with Money Productions. As for the fighters that make that now GSP, Jones, Silva, maybe Cain. Phone Post
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People act like the UFC is so out of line with the rest of society but its all relative.

The reality in life is Be the best and get the best pay or change professions Phone Post 3.0

When you make it to the UFC, you've proven to be the best according to them. They state they have all the best fighters.. and yet the monicker of U FIGHT CHEAP is stated by many behind the scenes. 

You fat nerds have no clue. What is the difference between 2k at the Atlantic City show or 4k in the UFC. Either way you make no $ when all is said and done. Makes no sense for guys to pursue long term careers if you have education or another skill set. Phone Post 3.0
5/31/13 12:08 AM
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Jesus Quintana - Cindy, Could you remind me again if top ranked UFC fighters are allowed to go to other promotions or arrange their own fights? Can they do things like Floyd or other top boxers do? Or are they only allowed to fight inside the UFC?

Please let me know! I am dreadfully forgetful!

Cindy

They cannot do that because unlike Floyd and other top boxers, they signed a multi-fight contract with an MMA promoter who has a different business model than the sport of boxing. Top UFC fighters choose to be exclusive to the UFC and are the envy of combat athletes worldwide:)

 

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This thread isn't about economics it's about morals. You can operate a business and still do it in a moral manner and compensate your employees fairly. Tons of companies choose to do this. The UFC refuses to, so it is up to fighters to bargain collectively to get what they deserve.

Hey guys, this fellow is on to something! That's not fair! They should go elsewhere and get paid what they're worth! Which fighters are we talking about, where should they go and how much will they be paid by the other promotion?

 

Cindy


GSP should fight Anderson Silva on PPV in a fight promoted by Golden Boy and should be paid a % of the gross.

Cindy
Hopefully Golden Boy Prod would be a little more generous than Floyd's Money Promotions. Floyd kept 90 percent of the purse from the last fight for himself. Phone Post

Golden Boy promoted that fight and Floyd's opponent got paid $3million dollards...which UFC fighters make that per fight?
They co-promoted that with Money Productions. As for the fighters that make that now GSP, Jones, Silva, maybe Cain. Phone Post

Not really sure what your point was/is. My point is that GSP fighting Anderson on PPV would pay both fighters more than they currently get paid. They currently get paid about what Robert Guerrero got paid to fight Floyd when their market value is definitely above that.
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Jesus Quintana - Cindy, Could you remind me again if top ranked UFC fighters are allowed to go to other promotions or arrange their own fights? Can they do things like Floyd or other top boxers do? Or are they only allowed to fight inside the UFC?

Please let me know! I am dreadfully forgetful!

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They cannot do that because unlike Floyd and other top boxers, they signed a multi-fight contract with an MMA promoter who has a different business model than the sport of boxing. Top UFC fighters choose to be exclusive to the UFC and are the envy of combat athletes worldwide:)

 

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Yes, their business model involves not letting fighters get paid their market value. If fighters couldn't get paid more by leaving the UFC the UFC wouldn't need to lock them into contracts that don't allow them to fight elsewhere.

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This thread isn't about economics it's about morals. You can operate a business and still do it in a moral manner and compensate your employees fairly. Tons of companies choose to do this. The UFC refuses to, so it is up to fighters to bargain collectively to get what they deserve.

Hey guys, this fellow is on to something! That's not fair! They should go elsewhere and get paid what they're worth! Which fighters are we talking about, where should they go and how much will they be paid by the other promotion?

 

Cindy


GSP should fight Anderson Silva on PPV in a fight promoted by Golden Boy and should be paid a % of the gross.

Cindy
Hopefully Golden Boy Prod would be a little more generous than Floyd's Money Promotions. Floyd kept 90 percent of the purse from the last fight for himself. Phone Post

Golden Boy promoted that fight and Floyd's opponent got paid $3million dollards...which UFC fighters make that per fight?
They co-promoted that with Money Productions. As for the fighters that make that now GSP, Jones, Silva, maybe Cain. Phone Post

Not really sure what your point was/is. My point is that GSP fighting Anderson on PPV would pay both fighters more than they currently get paid. They currently get paid about what Robert Guerrero got paid to fight Floyd when their market value is definitely above that.
Silva just re signed his contract with UFC at the end of April. Why would you assume he's getting anything less than market value now? Phone Post
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Financials that the sports teams release for various purposes. . .many claim losing money. 

Baseball recently had an "audit" of sorts--the one that claimed 2/3rd's lost money. . .

Yeah deadspin.com showed that those financials were bullshit. Then they went and published the actual ones that showed how profitable even the last place teams really were. Phone Post

Yup.


So you're referring to financials that you know are bullshit as your example???

 

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I'm referring to the financials the owners themselves present as official. 

Aside from that--do you think the Dodgers owners make more than $300 million in cash per year?  I don't.

Do you think they make more than $30 million cash?  Maybe. . . and that would put them on par with the top paid individual players--let alone the entire team.

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Please let me know! I am dreadfully forgetful!

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They cannot do that because unlike Floyd and other top boxers, they signed a multi-fight contract with an MMA promoter who has a different business model than the sport of boxing. Top UFC fighters choose to be exclusive to the UFC and are the envy of combat athletes worldwide:)

 

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LOL!

Comedy. 

Also, the average UFC fighter (exclusive) fights 1.67 times per year--not 3 times, not 2 times, 1.67 times per year. 

 

Source?  Lorenzo Fertitta, ESPN Outside the Lines.

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Jesus Quintana - Cindy, Could you remind me again if top ranked UFC fighters are allowed to go to other promotions or arrange their own fights? Can they do things like Floyd or other top boxers do? Or are they only allowed to fight inside the UFC?

Please let me know! I am dreadfully forgetful!

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They cannot do that because unlike Floyd and other top boxers, they signed a multi-fight contract with an MMA promoter who has a different business model than the sport of boxing. Top UFC fighters choose to be exclusive to the UFC and are the envy of combat athletes worldwide:)

 

Cindy


LOL!

Comedy. 

Also, the average UFC fighter (exclusive) fights 1.67 times per year--not 3 times, not 2 times, 1.67 times per year. 

 

Source?  Lorenzo Fertitta, ESPN Outside the Lines.


I Googled your article and found it but when I hit edit-find (1.67) it came back as phrase not found. Is it in another article?

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/page/UFCpay/ufc-fighters-say-low-pay-most-painful-hit-all

 

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Financials that the sports teams release for various purposes. . .many claim losing money. 

Baseball recently had an "audit" of sorts--the one that claimed 2/3rd's lost money. . .

Yeah deadspin.com showed that those financials were bullshit. Then they went and published the actual ones that showed how profitable even the last place teams really were. Phone Post

Yup.


So you're referring to financials that you know are bullshit as your example???

 

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I'm referring to the financials the owners themselves present as official. 

Aside from that--do you think the Dodgers owners make more than $300 million in cash per year?  I don't.

Do you think they make more than $30 million cash?  Maybe. . . and that would put them on par with the top paid individual players--let alone the entire team.


So you're point wasn't that if those teams can pay mmmmillions and they're losing money then how come the UFC doesn't pay their fighters mmmmmore since they seems to me mmmaking mmmmoney? If not then I misunderstood and please accept my apologies... and what exactly was your point then?

 

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Financials that the sports teams release for various purposes. . .many claim losing money. 

Baseball recently had an "audit" of sorts--the one that claimed 2/3rd's lost money. . .

Yeah deadspin.com showed that those financials were bullshit. Then they went and published the actual ones that showed how profitable even the last place teams really were. Phone Post

Yup.


So you're referring to financials that you know are bullshit as your example???

 

Cindy


I'm referring to the financials the owners themselves present as official. 

Aside from that--do you think the Dodgers owners make more than $300 million in cash per year?  I don't.

Do you think they make more than $30 million cash?  Maybe. . . and that would put them on par with the top paid individual players--let alone the entire team.

The Dodger owners are making 280 million dollars a year just of their TV deal with Time Warner (7b for 25yrs). They are making well over $300 million a year. Phone Post
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^^^

Wow!

The Dodgers owners have a payroll of approximately $300 million!

They also have a list of other expenses.  No, they are making nowhere near $300 million.

 

To Cindy-O--where did I say those teams were "losing" millions?  Not sure what your point is, other than you clearly didn't understand what I posted. 

As to the source--watch the video interview--not the online article. . .

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck0Lb8pDmVg

Right around minute 19:10 of this video. 

And my bad--wasn't 1.67 times, was 1.6 times per year. 

Source--Lorenzo Fertitta, ESPN Outside the Lines.

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Wow!

The Dodgers owners have a payroll of approximately $300 million!

They also have a list of other expenses.  No, they are making nowhere near $300 million.

 

To Cindy-O--where did I say those teams were "losing" millions?  Not sure what your point is, other than you clearly didn't understand what I posted. 

As to the source--watch the video interview--not the online article. . .

The Dodgers have an approx revenue of 420 million a year. Tickets, TV, merchandise, concessions included. Dodgers 2013 payroll is 239 million. So even when you factor in operating expenses they are making a profit well into the 9 figures. Phone Post
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No, they are not. 

You factoring in taxes?

The Dodgers also pay Front office personnel, scouts, coaches, travel costs, split concessions, etc. etc. etc. 

They are not making well into 9 figures a year--sorry.

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Financials that the sports teams release for various purposes. . .many claim losing money. 

Baseball recently had an "audit" of sorts--the one that claimed 2/3rd's lost money. . .

Yeah deadspin.com showed that those financials were bullshit. Then they went and published the actual ones that showed how profitable even the last place teams really were. Phone Post

Yup.


So you're referring to financials that you know are bullshit as your example???

 

Cindy


I'm referring to the financials the owners themselves present as official. 

Aside from that--do you think the Dodgers owners make more than $300 million in cash per year?  I don't.

Do you think they make more than $30 million cash?  Maybe. . . and that would put them on par with the top paid individual players--let alone the entire team.


So you're point wasn't that if those teams can pay mmmmillions and they're losing money then how come the UFC doesn't pay their fighters mmmmmore since they seems to me mmmaking mmmmoney? If not then I misunderstood and please accept my apologies... and what exactly was your point then?

 

Cindy


someone earlier in the thread said that owners always get paid more than athletes and macedawg responded that that wasn't true. If you're going to post replies to people please read first and try not to respond like a little child wandering into a movie theater.


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