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5/19/13 1:04 PM
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The ufc is a monopoly and therefore can do whatever the fuck they want. Anyone who says they are paying their fighters as much as they could/should is ignorant


do you pay as much as you could for your labor? no, you pay market price.

4k to show for a guy like CHolish is actually higher than market. the only reason zuffa is paying that much and providing insurance, etc... is because they are investing in sport for a better return later on.

They dont even need to pay 4k for a guy like cholish. they used to pay 600 to show and had more than enough guys willing to sign.

Now dont get me wrong. Im not saying they're paying 4k out of the goodness of their hearts. It's a solid investment.

They are paying just enough so guys can get the proper training and still be hungry enough to work their way up.

How much higher should they go? at some point it stops becoming an "investment"
5/19/13 1:06 PM
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caseharts -  I will be happy when a Union comes about. 4000 is a tad low imo. Minimum should be 25 k pet fight. Phone Post

Be prepared to be blasted for that comment.

Why? No win bonuses 25 k and finish bonuses Phone Post

I didn't say I disagree, I just know how certain types react to that idea.

 

Oh I gotcha. Phone Post
5/19/13 1:10 PM
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JetSetter - When you start at a firm on Wall St you start in the mail room making 25k per year while your boss is making $50 million per year.
People act like the UFC is so out of line with the rest of society but its all relative.

The reality in life is Be the best and get the best pay or change professions Phone Post 3.0

When you make it to the UFC, you've proven to be the best according to them. They state they have all the best fighters.. and yet the monicker of U FIGHT CHEAP is stated by many behind the scenes. 


They have all the best fighters. And a lot of other guys rounding things out.
5/19/13 1:13 PM
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The ufc is a monopoly and therefore can do whatever the fuck they want. Anyone who says they are paying their fighters as much as they could/should is ignorant


do you pay as much as you could for your labor? no, you pay market price.

4k to show for a guy like CHolish is actually higher than market. the only reason zuffa is paying that much and providing insurance, etc... is because they are investing in sport for a better return later on.

They dont even need to pay 4k for a guy like cholish. they used to pay 600 to show and had more than enough guys willing to sign.

Now dont get me wrong. Im not saying they're paying 4k out of the goodness of their hearts. It's a solid investment.

They are paying just enough so guys can get the proper training and still be hungry enough to work their way up.

How much higher should they go? at some point it stops becoming an "investment"

When you are the only game in town you can set the "market price" to whatever you want

5/19/13 1:24 PM
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The ufc is a monopoly and therefore can do whatever the fuck they want. Anyone who says they are paying their fighters as much as they could/should is ignorant


do you pay as much as you could for your labor? no, you pay market price.

4k to show for a guy like CHolish is actually higher than market. the only reason zuffa is paying that much and providing insurance, etc... is because they are investing in sport for a better return later on.

They dont even need to pay 4k for a guy like cholish. they used to pay 600 to show and had more than enough guys willing to sign.

Now dont get me wrong. Im not saying they're paying 4k out of the goodness of their hearts. It's a solid investment.

They are paying just enough so guys can get the proper training and still be hungry enough to work their way up.

How much higher should they go? at some point it stops becoming an "investment"

When you are the only game in town you can set the "market price" to whatever you want


Bellator?

5/19/13 1:30 PM
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Maybe UFC should not pay a per fight purse, but instead a monthly salary. Factor in the cost of living where the fighter lives and what ever other variables there may be. There could a base salary for Guys with 5 or less UFC fights. Possibly something like $75,000 a year...probably wouldn't work though I guess Phone Post
5/19/13 1:33 PM
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^ you are correct. but nonetheless there is a market price even if it's a penny.

for example on the high end GSP has a market price outside of the UFC. Zuffa asks what he would earn outside of the UFC, without the UFC brand, roster, distribution, etc...

and zuffa pays him a little more than that and we see them continue to pretty much keep every single fighter they want.

I dont think GSP can earn more than 4 million per fight consistently outside of the ufc.

let's say he does 250k buys and a 1million gate. after costs of production, paying the rest of the roster plus his opponent... you're barely at 4m and then you have to consider if you can pull those numbers again. if those numbers decline and the buyers dont come back you've lost a ton of money.

Spike is the only one who could possibly change this dynamic if they can get any traction.

But if money for the higher end guys go up, money for the lower tier guys will either go down or stay flat.

if spike can get to a point where they can attract a good sized audience they can give away most to all the ppv money to the top tier fighters like HBO and showtime... which would change the game for zuffa.

The sport unfortunately would not last very long if it went this way... if it goes the boxing route the sport will die.

Boxing has a 100 years of good will... so it's gonna take time for them to piss it all away. MMA doesnt have that luxury.
5/19/13 1:35 PM
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pretty sad when a fighter just breaks even or has to pay extra while fighting in the UFC no matter how low tier they are. 4k for 2 months training and living expenses doesnt cut it
5/19/13 1:37 PM
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I work for a billion dollar bank, they can afford to pay me more. Phone Post
5/19/13 1:38 PM
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^ ZUffa by the way is now signing top guys to 8 fight deals to defend against the potential attack from spike and to protect their business model.

8 fights is just long enough to bury spikes bellator and place them on the tombstone.

5/19/13 1:39 PM
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greenseed - pretty sad when a fighter just breaks even or has to pay extra while fighting in the UFC no matter how low tier they are. 4k for 2 months training and living expenses doesnt cut it

if ufc can afford 65000 in bonus they can pay more than 4 grand
5/19/13 1:43 PM
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The ufc is a monopoly and therefore can do whatever the fuck they want. Anyone who says they are paying their fighters as much as they could/should is ignorant

What if someone doesn't know what a monopoly is? Phone Post 3.0
5/19/13 1:44 PM
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^Zuffa is gonna protect it's assets (keep it's champs) while attacking bellator's champs. First with Lombard, now eddie to keep them on the defensive.

Bellator is trying to sign Curran to an extension.. let's see how that goes. IM sure their are tons of agents parked outisde currans house claiming they can get him millions from the uFC though... so we'll see.

Chandler will be the next top free agent out of bellator if he doesnt extend his deal further.
5/19/13 1:46 PM
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$10K/10K should be the minimum ad that in with sponsors and it should be fine. Fighters risk a lot to be in this sport, and due to injuries can miss a whole year of fights.

A pension is also absent for this fighters and will be a serious issue down the road.
5/19/13 1:48 PM
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They really need a fighters union and proper representation. A minimum is definitely needed

5/19/13 1:50 PM
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goeb - $10K/10K should be the minimum ad that in with sponsors and it should be fine. Fighters risk a lot to be in this sport, and due to injuries can miss a whole year of fights.

A pension is also absent for this fighters and will be a serious issue down the road.

Yeah, pensions need to start being discussed.  In this day and age of Gary Goodridge, I fear what we will see down the line with fighters who took tons of abuse and have no money.  

5/19/13 1:54 PM
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Dana White's response;

 

 

5/19/13 2:14 PM
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$4k per fight is not a livable wage in the u.s. It's below min. wage. And then you have to figure some of that goes to managers and training.

You basically can't be a full time fighter at that payscale which seems crazy when these guys are pro athletes under a multi billion dollar company. Phone Post 3.0
5/19/13 2:25 PM
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Bottom line, these guys should be making more money.

No one should be disagreeing with that. Phone Post 3.0
5/19/13 2:32 PM
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yellow wrkahlc - Bottom line, these guys should be making more money.

No one should be disagreeing with that. Phone Post 3.0
Agreed Phone Post
5/19/13 2:39 PM
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yellow wrkahlc - Bottom line, these guys should be making more money.

No one should be disagreeing with that. Phone Post 3.0
Agreed Phone Post

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5/19/13 2:45 PM
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MMALOGIC - 4k dollars to show? where was he when guys were making 600 to show and 600 to win?
The sport(and the ufc) is a little different then it was back then. Phone Post
5/19/13 2:48 PM
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trobinson21 -  I work for a billion dollar bank, they can afford to pay me more. Phone Post

Are you one a few hundred elite employees that your company advertises as being the absolute best in the world at what you do? No, chances are you are completely interchangeable with a million other drones crunching numbers in Excel.


Kinda different.
5/19/13 2:51 PM
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Look at how much a pro baseball players makes in the minor leagues. Around 10 grand a year. Phone Post 3.0
5/19/13 2:58 PM
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All MMA needs is a credible competitor to the UFC and the pay goes up.
Supply and demand.

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