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5/22/13 12:01 AM
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M477 - typical liberal whining from....a hardcore republican? if you don't like what you are paid, get a different job

John Cholish is a Wall Street broker dealing in fossil fuels, so I doubt he's a liberal or anything, but he voiced similar complaints about fighter compensation right after retiring from the UFC.

I don't know how that helps Volkmann's case, or your defense of it.

What it shows, is that a high percentage of republicans are hypocrites, whose basis for supporting or opposing policies almost solely depends upon a cost/benefit analysis for them personally at the time it's proposed.

I can't get enough of people trying to sound intelligent while saying just some of the absolute dumbest shit I've ever heard, kudos.



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5/22/13 12:01 AM
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Apple is multi-billion dollar biz, should the guys in the warehouse make 200k a year ....they probably work harder than the senior guys who make good money ? You make the pay you negotiate. Phone Post
5/22/13 12:04 AM
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Mike_in_CA -  Apple is multi-billion dollar biz, should the guys in the warehouse make 200k a year ....they probably work harder than the senior guys who make good money ? You make the pay you negotiate. Phone Post

You bet your ass those guys are taken care of... benefits.. stock options..etc. etc.

 

Can't say the same for most 'UFC' fighters.

 

5/22/13 12:12 AM
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Haadogei - i think it's ironic to be a staunch conservative and then complain about your rights as a worker in our free market society.

If you don't like what an employer is offering you, go work somewhere else. That's the free market. That's the whole cornerstone of conservative ideas. He is being a hypocrite.

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5/22/13 1:16 AM
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UFC has to make their margin just like everybody else. He made 50,000 as fighter with very little name recognition, that's not a bad income. Police officers make that starting out as do computer programmers. Teachers make less starting out. yes the personal expenses of being a fighter eat into that, but that stuff is also deductible.

he has three kids and his wife does not work. That is not the UFC's fault.

The UFC has to make their margin just like everybody else

5/22/13 1:23 AM
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wanting better pay from your boss has nothing to do with political affiliation.
5/22/13 1:26 AM
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jcblass - Dana will say "Yea but we gave Vitor a used Hummer, you can't say we aren't taking care of the fighters, ask Cain, he got a new f150 on 20's."

This is pocket change and a disgrace. UFC wants to be the "SUPERBOWL OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS" when in reality the photographer at a Superbowl makes 2x the amount of money as a guy like Volkmann.

And the photographer at the superbowl produces 2X more value with his product than Volkman does.

UFC is not a charity.
5/22/13 1:33 AM
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And people throw Randy under the bus for not being "loyal" to the UFC. LOL.
5/22/13 1:34 AM
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Mike_in_CA - Apple is multi-billion dollar biz, should the guys in the warehouse make 200k a year ....they probably work harder than the senior guys who make good money ? You make the pay you negotiate. Phone Post
No but comparing the fighters to apple's warehouse employees is not a fair comparison.

An apple warehouse employee is more like the ufc's warehouse employee or any of the more menial jobs in the org. if you're trying to compare the UFC to apple the lower tier fighters are more like middle management employees at apple Phone Post 3.0
5/22/13 1:39 AM
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5/22/13 1:45 AM
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$50000 for a family of 5 isn't close to the poverty line. Maybe his wife should earn some income
5/22/13 1:49 AM
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$50 a ppv at 500k buys = 25 Mill!! plus gate and they pay 6k/6k? Bad thing is they buy up most all the competitors so where else ya gonna go??
5/22/13 1:58 AM
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What is he moaning about. He lives in a society where he is lucky to even choose where he works. If he doesnt like the pay go somewhere else. Its the same wherever u work the champ gets paid the most along with the top 10. then the rest get what they get, if they dont like it noones holding a gun to your head. You know where the door is.
5/22/13 1:58 AM
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Jive Turkey - $50000 for a family of 5 isn't close to the poverty line. Maybe his wife should earn some income
Or maybe if you don't want your wife to work and you only make 50k a year perhaps having 3 kids isn't the smartest thing to do.
Also, if he finds the $1500 insurance deductible grossly unfair then he is really going to hate the WSOF's insurance plan. Phone Post
5/22/13 2:00 AM
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also he didnt make much noise when he was there. only cos he got cut he pipes up. But lets be honest he wasnt fighting top top guys and when he was he was getting beat thiago and kampmann.
5/22/13 2:05 AM
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KingofBJJ -

Good luck trying to convince the fanboys that White's nuts aren't huggable.  We have been trying to let everyone know that the UFC has made its name on the backs of its fighters.  $50k a year to fight?  McDonald's store manager makes that without bonuses.  A Walmart store manager makes $100k a year.

At least he made $50k when many fighters are making a mere $5k per fight.  Sonnen made $30k to fight Silva after promoting with his mouth.

Meanwhile boxers are making six figures for being just mediocre in the top organizations (WBA, WBC).

I'm sorry, did you just say that a McDonald's store manager makes 50k a year? Phone Post
5/22/13 2:09 AM
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Cant argue against what he is saying. Most fighters make shit money when you look at the overall picture of what the UFC brings in.
5/22/13 2:12 AM
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powerful mary jane - also he didnt make much noise when he was there. only cos he got cut he pipes up. But lets be honest he wasnt fighting top top guys and when he was he was getting beat thiago and kampmann.
Well I understand why he wasn't talking about the UFC when he was with the organization, that wouldn't be very smary. However he was a mid level talent that made 50k a year (not too many people can be a below average worker in their company a make that kind of money) plus he had the ability to work a second job to supplement that income. Phone Post
5/22/13 2:13 AM
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Every fighter SHOULD get the same base salary & medical to begin with. Incentives if where you make your money. Champion, ranking, KOTN/SOTN/FOTN, PPV, etc
5/22/13 2:14 AM
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powerful mary jane - also he didnt make much noise when he was there. only cos he got cut he pipes up. But lets be honest he wasnt fighting top top guys and when he was he was getting beat thiago and kampmann.
Well I understand why he wasn't talking about the UFC when he was with the organization, that wouldn't be very smary. However he was a mid level talent that made 50k a year (not too many people can be a below average worker in their company a make that kind of money) plus he had the ability to work a second job to supplement that income. Phone Post

When you have to work a second job to supplement your 1st job...is it really worth it?

Say you make 50k a year on 3 fights. How much of that goes to taxes, medical, training?
5/22/13 2:17 AM
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$50,000 per year for a few weeks work.

Sounds good to me.

I realize he has to train but his only commitment is to turn up on fight week. He's not doing any press.

If he was locked in to travel around with a team every day for 6 months he could expect to be paid six figures.

The fact is that he can just train for 3 lots of 8 week camps, training 3 hours a day, hanging out with his family in the down time and then turn up and fight.

If he really wants to achieve his dream and train even harder his wife can get a job and he can work in his time off and make over $100k as a household until he makes it to the next level. Phone Post 3.0
5/22/13 2:17 AM
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With regards to baseball salaries, remember, MLB has a Federal Anti-trust exemption and has been around for 110 years.

Baseball Revenues in 2012 were $7.5Billion.
http://bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5769:mlb-revenues-75b-for-2012-could-approach-9b-by-2014&catid=30:mlb-news&Itemid=42

THey have just capped draft and international bonus payouts and here is what they are paying to Minor Leaguers (2010 source):

• First contract season: $850/month maximum.
• Alien Salary Rates: Different for aliens on visas – mandated by INS
• Triple-A – First year: $2,150/month, after first year no less than $2,150/month
• Class AA – First year: $1,500/month, after first year no less than $1,500/month
• Class A (full season) – First year: $1,050/month, after first year no less than $1,050/month
• Class A (short-season) – First year: $850/month, after first year no less than $850/month
• Dominican & Venezuelan Summer Leagues–no lower than $300/month

http://nationalsportsandentertainment.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/pay-structure-of-minor-league-baseball-players/
5/22/13 2:20 AM
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THe sport with the closest comparable numbers is the MLS

 

similar revenue bracket and in fact doublt the athletes in the MLS than ufc and Minimum in the MLS is 35,000 or so last check.

 

3 fights at 4,000 with win bonus doesn't even come close if taken as an average for lower fighters fights per year and Cholish's pay. Win 8,000 per is 24,000 a year at 3 fights.

5/22/13 2:22 AM
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easedel - Cant argue against what he is saying. Most fighters make shit money when you look at the overall picture of what the UFC brings in.
Compare the average Microsoft employee to Bill Gates. He doesn't even work there anymore yet still makes billions from it. There are a lot of fighters I feel sorry for but I don't for feel sorry at all for one who has been so hyper conservative, pro-business, anti Obama and his tax hikes for the rich while trying to get tax cuts for people like Jacob. This is what America will continue to look like if you don't aggressively tax corporations. Im not saying that it is a good or bad thing but you certainly don't get to complain about it when the side you are fighting on shows you exactly how a free market works. Phone Post
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ironyuppie -
With regards to baseball salaries, remember, MLB has a Federal Anti-trust exemption and has been around for 110 years.

Baseball Revenues in 2012 were $7.5Billion.
http://bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5769:mlb-revenues-75b-for-2012-could-approach-9b-by-2014&catid=30:mlb-news&Itemid=42

THey have just capped draft and international bonus payouts and here is what they are paying to Minor Leaguers (2010 source):

• First contract season: $850/month maximum.
• Alien Salary Rates: Different for aliens on visas – mandated by INS
• Triple-A – First year: $2,150/month, after first year no less than $2,150/month
• Class AA – First year: $1,500/month, after first year no less than $1,500/month
• Class A (full season) – First year: $1,050/month, after first year no less than $1,050/month
• Class A (short-season) – First year: $850/month, after first year no less than $850/month
• Dominican & Venezuelan Summer Leagues–no lower than $300/month

http://nationalsportsandentertainment.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/pay-structure-of-minor-league-baseball-players/
Also, baseball is a full time job

If you don't turn up to training and games everyday and travel with the team you lose your job.

As a UFC fighter you can pull a BJ Penn and take a few days off in the middle of your camp. Or not train at all if you don't care. Phone Post 3.0

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