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THe sport with the closest comparable numbers is the MLS

 

similar revenue bracket and in fact doublt the athletes in the MLS than ufc and Minimum in the MLS is 35,000 or so last check.

 

3 fights at 4,000 with win bonus doesn't even come close if taken as an average for lower fighters fights per year and Cholish's pay. Win 8,000 per is 24,000 a year at 3 fights.

5/22/13 2:22 AM
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easedel - Cant argue against what he is saying. Most fighters make shit money when you look at the overall picture of what the UFC brings in.
Compare the average Microsoft employee to Bill Gates. He doesn't even work there anymore yet still makes billions from it. There are a lot of fighters I feel sorry for but I don't for feel sorry at all for one who has been so hyper conservative, pro-business, anti Obama and his tax hikes for the rich while trying to get tax cuts for people like Jacob. This is what America will continue to look like if you don't aggressively tax corporations. Im not saying that it is a good or bad thing but you certainly don't get to complain about it when the side you are fighting on shows you exactly how a free market works. Phone Post
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ironyuppie -
With regards to baseball salaries, remember, MLB has a Federal Anti-trust exemption and has been around for 110 years.

Baseball Revenues in 2012 were $7.5Billion.
http://bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5769:mlb-revenues-75b-for-2012-could-approach-9b-by-2014&catid=30:mlb-news&Itemid=42

THey have just capped draft and international bonus payouts and here is what they are paying to Minor Leaguers (2010 source):

• First contract season: $850/month maximum.
• Alien Salary Rates: Different for aliens on visas – mandated by INS
• Triple-A – First year: $2,150/month, after first year no less than $2,150/month
• Class AA – First year: $1,500/month, after first year no less than $1,500/month
• Class A (full season) – First year: $1,050/month, after first year no less than $1,050/month
• Class A (short-season) – First year: $850/month, after first year no less than $850/month
• Dominican & Venezuelan Summer Leagues–no lower than $300/month

http://nationalsportsandentertainment.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/pay-structure-of-minor-league-baseball-players/
Also, baseball is a full time job

If you don't turn up to training and games everyday and travel with the team you lose your job.

As a UFC fighter you can pull a BJ Penn and take a few days off in the middle of your camp. Or not train at all if you don't care. Phone Post 3.0
5/22/13 2:24 AM
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ironyuppie -
With regards to baseball salaries, remember, MLB has a Federal Anti-trust exemption and has been around for 110 years.

Baseball Revenues in 2012 were $7.5Billion.
http://bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5769:mlb-revenues-75b-for-2012-could-approach-9b-by-2014&catid=30:mlb-news&Itemid=42

THey have just capped draft and international bonus payouts and here is what they are paying to Minor Leaguers (2010 source):

• First contract season: $850/month maximum.
• Alien Salary Rates: Different for aliens on visas – mandated by INS
• Triple-A – First year: $2,150/month, after first year no less than $2,150/month
• Class AA – First year: $1,500/month, after first year no less than $1,500/month
• Class A (full season) – First year: $1,050/month, after first year no less than $1,050/month
• Class A (short-season) – First year: $850/month, after first year no less than $850/month
• Dominican & Venezuelan Summer Leagues–no lower than $300/month

http://nationalsportsandentertainment.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/pay-structure-of-minor-league-baseball-players/
Also, baseball is a full time job

If you don't turn up to training and games everyday and travel with the team you lose your job.

As a UFC fighter you can pull a BJ Penn and take a few days off in the middle of your camp. Or not train at all if you don't care. Phone Post 3.0

There's only really him who could do that though, and lately it has bit him in the ass. It's a Full time job for the majority of guys and those who try and balance usually fail.

 

Training should be seen as part of the job and part of the pay

5/22/13 2:26 AM
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There is a HUGE difference between baseballs minor leagues and the levels in the UFC though.

Those are the standards to guys on "minor league contracts. You have to include draft signing bonuses ( 100k to 2m ). AAA contracts are usually incentive based.

Soon as a player gets called up to the major league team, their contract changes to league minimun.

$490,000 is the league min. That is for players you see gettin called up to fill in that are nothing more then AAA players.

Not to mention after a certain amount of time ( 3 years but less then 6 years ) players get arbitration...could you imagine that? lol

5/22/13 2:29 AM
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easedel - There is a HUGE difference between baseballs minor leagues and the levels in the UFC though.

Those are the standards to guys on "minor league contracts. You have to include draft signing bonuses ( 100k to 2m ). AAA contracts are usually incentive based.

Soon as a player gets called up to the major league team, their contract changes to league minimun.

$490,000 is the league min. That is for players you see gettin called up to fill in that are nothing more then AAA players.

Not to mention after a certain amount of time ( 3 years but less then 6 years ) players get arbitration...could you imagine that? lol


This that's why I mentioned the MLS above. I did some research and they are around the UFC' earning level.

5/22/13 2:31 AM
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attjack - It's entertainment. If you're not entertaining you might get cut.
Unless you're fantastically good looking, then you make millions.

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5/22/13 2:31 AM
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Along with a UFC contract comes better sponsors, paid appearances, paid after parties and getting paid for seminars.

If a fighter makes the most of his time in the UFC, he can capitalize on all of that.

Also, having the "UFC veteran" title can get you a good payday in the independent shows if you end up like Mr. Volkmann.

 

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I agree they should get a bump for making the ppv card Phone Post 3.0
5/22/13 2:34 AM
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Matt Phillips - 

Along with a UFC contract comes better sponsors, paid appearances, paid after parties and getting paid for seminars.

If a fighter makes the most of his time in the UFC, he can capitalize on all of that.

Also, having the "UFC veteran" title can get you a good payday in the independent shows if you end up like Mr. Volkmann.

 

 

Yeah but the average new comer to the UFC without a huge profile is going to have avery hard time finding sponsors.

 

Matt Wiman is a UFC vet and he cannot get any sponsors, and I doubt he's not trying he's been at this a long time.

A guy like Cholish has no profile to attract sponsors and a few good fights aren't the solution. Only hype and making the upper echelon after a long run can help that, and at 4,000 a newcommer is not fairly paid. DOuble it and a 3 fight year with 3 wins equals 48,000. That's a decent place to be

 

And the more fights you need to have a decent financial year the less time for seminars and extra income you have.

5/22/13 2:35 AM
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powerful mary jane - also he didnt make much noise when he was there. only cos he got cut he pipes up. But lets be honest he wasnt fighting top top guys and when he was he was getting beat thiago and kampmann.
Well I understand why he wasn't talking about the UFC when he was with the organization, that wouldn't be very smary. However he was a mid level talent that made 50k a year (not too many people can be a below average worker in their company a make that kind of money) plus he had the ability to work a second job to supplement that income. Phone Post

When you have to work a second job to supplement your 1st job...is it really worth it?

Say you make 50k a year on 3 fights. How much of that goes to taxes, medical, training?
Well he said that after taxes he made 45k. So if you supplement that with coaching at a gym or private lessons (from a UFC fighter no less) it seems like you could easily add another 20-30k to that number without too much difficulty. Phone Post
5/22/13 2:37 AM
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attjack - It's entertainment. If you're not entertaining you might get cut.
Unless you're fantastically good looking, then you make millions.

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Patrick Cote wants to know why he isn't rich like GSP then. Phone Post
5/22/13 2:37 AM
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Fighters on the undercard minimum should be $8000 show, plus win bonus, sponsors etc.

Fighters on the main card should be $50,000 plus win bonus etc.

There should be a retirement plan for long service. A $50k signing bonus and severance.

Most of this might be already the case under the table, though. Phone Post 3.0
5/22/13 2:40 AM
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KingofBJJ -

Good luck trying to convince the fanboys that White's nuts aren't huggable.  We have been trying to let everyone know that the UFC has made its name on the backs of its fighters.  $50k a year to fight?  McDonald's store manager makes that without bonuses.  A Walmart store manager makes $100k a year.

At least he made $50k when many fighters are making a mere $5k per fight.  Sonnen made $30k to fight Silva after promoting with his mouth.

Meanwhile boxers are making six figures for being just mediocre in the top organizations (WBA, WBC).

I'm sorry, did you just say that a McDonald's store manager makes 50k a year? Phone Post

He also said that Sonnen only made $30K to fight Silva. So his utter stupidity has no limits.
5/22/13 2:49 AM
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KingofBJJ -

Good luck trying to convince the fanboys that White's nuts aren't huggable.  We have been trying to let everyone know that the UFC has made its name on the backs of its fighters.  $50k a year to fight?  McDonald's store manager makes that without bonuses.  A Walmart store manager makes $100k a year.

At least he made $50k when many fighters are making a mere $5k per fight.  Sonnen made $30k to fight Silva after promoting with his mouth.

Meanwhile boxers are making six figures for being just mediocre in the top organizations (WBA, WBC).

I'm sorry, did you just say that a McDonald's store manager makes 50k a year? Phone Post

He also said that Sonnen only made $30K to fight Silva. So his utter stupidity has no limits.
Seriously, do people actually think that is the case? Are there really fight fans out there who think Sonnen did all that work for 30k? Phone Post
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KingofBJJ -

Good luck trying to convince the fanboys that White's nuts aren't huggable.  We have been trying to let everyone know that the UFC has made its name on the backs of its fighters.  $50k a year to fight?  McDonald's store manager makes that without bonuses.  A Walmart store manager makes $100k a year.

At least he made $50k when many fighters are making a mere $5k per fight.  Sonnen made $30k to fight Silva after promoting with his mouth.

Meanwhile boxers are making six figures for being just mediocre in the top organizations (WBA, WBC).

I'm sorry, did you just say that a McDonald's store manager makes 50k a year? Phone Post

He also said that Sonnen only made $30K to fight Silva. So his utter stupidity has no limits.
Lmfao Phone Post 3.0
5/22/13 4:51 AM
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5/22/13 5:11 AM
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Thank god I thought he was going to expose himself phew!!! Phone Post 3.0
5/22/13 5:17 AM
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You got it wrong buddy! Sonnen got paid 30K to cut a thanks giving turkey with Jon Jones! Phone Post 3.0
5/22/13 5:31 AM
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5/22/13 5:53 AM
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Good for Volkmann. Need more guys like him to speak up. Phone Post 3.0
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He's right about the way they have taken the traditional grappling/wrestling core of the old game out of mma with the frequent audience directed standups. It's a different sport today thanks to ZUFFA. Kind of like kickboxing, with much more rudimentary technique. World class kickboxing blows it away as a spectator sport.
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CormierCrackSniffer - Why don't the ufc drop the real fucking numbers on us then??

You know why?

Because then there would be open dialogue on hard numbers.

With all of this bullshit under the table "bonuses" then all that bald has to do when questioned on the shit pay that the fighters make is say:

(insert locker room bonus remark)

If the ufc was really a good company to work for then why are all these guys coming out with all of these negative reviews of the company.

The ufc is greedy and the bottom line is $$$. . .Not fighters health or future well being.

Its bullshit the way that the pay is ran and I for one believe that the IRS should be looking into the shady practices of this company. Phone Post
I think they don't release the full pay of all the fighters because they don't have to. Personally I'd prefer that my salary stays private and I believe that would also be the case of the majority of the fighters.

If the fighters want to release the full details of their pay, they're free to. I think the UFC is doing the right thing by the fighters in that regard.

I would like to see an increase in the minimum pay for fighters though, it would help make MMA a more viable career option for talented athletes, this increasing the quality of fighter we get to watch.

That being said I might be completely full of shit. Just my 0.02. Phone Post 3.0
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Good luck volkmann if u suddenly disappear one day i wont be suprised. Your going up against the machine... Phone Post 3.0
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CormierCrackSniffer - Why don't the ufc drop the real fucking numbers on us then??

You know why?

Because then there would be open dialogue on hard numbers.

With all of this bullshit under the table "bonuses" then all that bald has to do when questioned on the shit pay that the fighters make is say:

(insert locker room bonus remark)

If the ufc was really a good company to work for then why are all these guys coming out with all of these negative reviews of the company.

The ufc is greedy and the bottom line is $$$. . .Not fighters health or future well being.

Its bullshit the way that the pay is ran and I for one believe that the IRS should be looking into the shady practices of this company. Phone Post
I think they don't release the full pay of all the fighters because they don't have to. Personally I'd prefer that my salary stays private and I believe that would also be the case of the majority of the fighters.

If the fighters want to release the full details of their pay, they're free to. I think the UFC is doing the right thing by the fighters in that regard.

I would like to see an increase in the minimum pay for fighters though, it would help make MMA a more viable career option for talented athletes, this increasing the quality of fighter we get to watch.

That being said I might be completely full of shit. Just my 0.02. Phone Post 3.0

The first things player union do when the are certified is call for public salary disclosure. drives salaries up. Salaries soared when corrupt Alan Eagleson was ousted from the NHL players union and the new leadership made salaries public.

Public disclosure of athlete pay is just common sense for pro athletes today. All player unions DEMAND it!

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