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5/22/13 10:43 AM
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Dont be a fighter if you want money. Why is it that fucking hard to understand. Or get a job while you fight and train. If you happen to be one of the lucky few who can make milllions then quit.

The sense of entitlement of some of these guys is ridiculous. The ufc does not owe you anything other than the contract you agreed upon.

It seems a little short sighted to me that as a fighter you would not keep a job if you were only making 6/6 per fight. Phone Post
5/22/13 10:52 AM
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5/22/13 10:57 AM
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Every 'conservative' loves to bitch about social services ruining the country when they're working W2 with an employer subsidized medical plan, employer paying half the taxes, employer matching 401k, etc...

Welcome to the real world, buddy. Hows it feel to know your true worth in the market? Home depot is calling.
5/22/13 10:57 AM
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UG News:  Volkmann bitter over conservative policies, wants universal MMA healthcare

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5/22/13 11:20 AM
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Doem - UFC has to make their margin just like everybody else. He made 50,000 as fighter with very little name recognition, that's not a bad income. Police officers make that starting out as do computer programmers. Teachers make less starting out. yes the personal expenses of being a fighter eat into that, but that stuff is also deductible.

he has three kids and his wife does not work. That is not the UFC's fault.

The UFC has to make their margin just like everybody else


I agree with that. We can't simply compare MMA with the more established sports because it would be apples and oranges. Not too long ago the UFC was in the red for millions of dollars, and the sport itself has yet to generate the kind of numbers Football and other major sports have. I think that pay will increase as the sports grows, but that will take time.

Complaining about pay is an option for everyone, we can argue teachers need to be paid more, librarians, the police force, our nurses; however if one is to choose money over fame, there are more lucrative career options out there. For now it's simple is what it is, and if we look back, the sport has come a long way when it comes to fighter pay. It will take a little patience.

Longest post on here ever, I do apologize :)
5/22/13 11:22 AM
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Mike_in_CA -  Apple is multi-billion dollar biz, should the guys in the warehouse make 200k a year ....they probably work harder than the senior guys who make good money ? You make the pay you negotiate. Phone Post

Funny you mention, Apple workers in China make about $400 a month :)
5/22/13 11:22 AM
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5/22/13 11:22 AM
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Trifive - This is a cut throat business and I hate whiney fighters. Back in the day when there was no money in it, the fighters fought because they loved to do it and it was exciting. Now most fighters fight because it's a fad, it's the thing to do, and they are chasing the possible, but never guaranteed, big pay day and fame. But they don't truly love to fight. And it shows.

Then they bitch cuz fans like me don't want to watch two people dry hump on the ground. That's right...I DON'T!! You don't get to tell me what's exciting and what's not. I record all fights now so that when two lame as wanna bees are dry humping each other doing nothing I fast forward through it. I don't even watch that many fights anymore because the fighters aren't that exciting as they used to be.

So fuck you Volkemann, go get a real job for crying out loud. You didn't make, it's OK, you tried and I respect that, but I don't respect you trying to "expose" the UFC to the fans because you weren't exciting enough to keep around.

Rant off.

Thing is, "back in the day when there was no money in it", the fights were about 90% on the ground "dry humping" and ten percent Leonard Garcia-ing on the feet. Now I can't tell you "what's exciting and what's not", but you sure must have hated watching fighting "back in the day when fighters fought" for fucking peanuts. Because they sure as fuck didn't stand the fight up every thirty seconds when the crowd started booing.

Oh, OK.
5/22/13 11:25 AM
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Trifive - This is a cut throat business and I hate whiney fighters. Back in the day when there was no money in it, the fighters fought because they loved to do it and it was exciting. Now most fighters fight because it's a fad, it's the thing to do, and they are chasing the possible, but never guaranteed, big pay day and fame. But they don't truly love to fight. And it shows.

Then they bitch cuz fans like me don't want to watch two people dry hump on the ground. That's right...I DON'T!! You don't get to tell me what's exciting and what's not. I record all fights now so that when two lame as wanna bees are dry humping each other doing nothing I fast forward through it. I don't even watch that many fights anymore because the fighters aren't that exciting as they used to be.

So fuck you Volkemann, go get a real job for crying out loud. You didn't make, it's OK, you tried and I respect that, but I don't respect you trying to "expose" the UFC to the fans because you weren't exciting enough to keep around.

Rant off.

ROFL. What?

Hi Jacob!
5/22/13 11:25 AM
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big_slacker - Every 'conservative' loves to bitch about social services ruining the country when they're working W2 with an employer subsidized medical plan, employer paying half the taxes, employer matching 401k, etc...

Welcome to the real world, buddy. Hows it feel to know your true worth in the market? Home depot is calling.

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5/22/13 11:37 AM
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nhdjoseywales - SO if thats true, then he makes a Chiropractor salary, a coaches salary, extra money from extra coaching and he got 40k+ a year from UFC. is this guy really complaining he cant make a living doing all that shit? If the "third job" isnt paying what you want then quit ya retard. He really does come off as a whiny ass conservative douchebag who wants it all for themselves and none for others.

Lol the shills are coming out strong on this one. He makes basically no money as a chiropractor, and something tells me his part time coaching gig isn't a huge pay day I dunno...


Either way that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, you're just trying to justify why the UFC pays so shitty. The UFC has a right to fire him, but he has just as much right to bitch about how they were a shitty employer.

There's always going to be some friction between the sport purists, and those who view the UFC more like the WWE. Maybe the UFC cutting guys like Fitch and Volkmann isn't a big deal to the WWE types, but I don't like seeing guys who are still competitive in the division cut, while other guys can go on 5 fight losing streaks and stay, and others get title shots after they lose because they can talk like a WWE Star.


Makes no money as a chiroparctor? I know a chiro in a small ms delta town that at last count had 9 or 10 porsches. sounds like volkmann sucks at all his jobs. The UFC can pay what it wants, its a free market. If you dont like it, you are free to go elsewhere or even find a different line of work. Since you cant come up[ with a reasonable comparison to the UFC to determine the "correct" pay scale i think all you really have is bitter speculation and sour grapes. Enjoy that.
5/22/13 11:58 AM
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Jacob, UFC did not cut you because you were not entertaining or because of your record.
No. They cut you because you are an idiot.

That being said, blame everyone you can except yourself Volkmann.
5/22/13 12:16 PM
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nhdjoseywales - 
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nhdjoseywales - SO if thats true, then he makes a Chiropractor salary, a coaches salary, extra money from extra coaching and he got 40k+ a year from UFC. is this guy really complaining he cant make a living doing all that shit? If the "third job" isnt paying what you want then quit ya retard. He really does come off as a whiny ass conservative douchebag who wants it all for themselves and none for others.

Lol the shills are coming out strong on this one. He makes basically no money as a chiropractor, and something tells me his part time coaching gig isn't a huge pay day I dunno...


Either way that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, you're just trying to justify why the UFC pays so shitty. The UFC has a right to fire him, but he has just as much right to bitch about how they were a shitty employer.

There's always going to be some friction between the sport purists, and those who view the UFC more like the WWE. Maybe the UFC cutting guys like Fitch and Volkmann isn't a big deal to the WWE types, but I don't like seeing guys who are still competitive in the division cut, while other guys can go on 5 fight losing streaks and stay, and others get title shots after they lose because they can talk like a WWE Star.


Makes no money as a chiroparctor? I know a chiro in a small ms delta town that at last count had 9 or 10 porsches. sounds like volkmann sucks at all his jobs. The UFC can pay what it wants, its a free market. If you dont like it, you are free to go elsewhere or even find a different line of work. Since you cant come up[ with a reasonable comparison to the UFC to determine the "correct" pay scale i think all you really have is bitter speculation and sour grapes. Enjoy that.

Volkmann after the Obama incident was asked on one of those money shows to talk about his gripes with the Pres. He outlined the costs he incurred because of Obamacare, and how much he makes etc. He literally breaks even after costs, it's a small part time practice so after licensing, building fees, secretary, etc he's even.

Reasonable comparison is how the big 4 sports divide up revenue. Obviously some aspects won't be applicable, but some will.
5/22/13 12:28 PM
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IP - I'm starting to change my view on fighters' pay.

The UFC's mindset seems to be that when a fighter makes it to the UFC, they've made it to the "show," and all other organizations are merely feeder systems or the "minors." If that's the case, then any fighter who makes it to a UFC card should feel they've achieved something special, and with that, should be compensated accordingly. Base pay should be much more than competing organizations, and more than 6/6.
Tell that to the MLB. Stars get paid more because they are stars. Sign a baseball deal. 30k a year, 7 year deal is starting contract if drafted after 1st round. If you make the MLB, league min is what, 300k yet arod makes 24-27 million. You get paid if you produce. Phone Post 3.0
Everyone agrees you should get way more of you produce. But the minimum pay in the ufc should be much higher. Phone Post
300k to 24 million is a big jump. Sports work this way. Many kids jump on pro ball and say shit, I'm stuck here making 40k.

6k to 470k (gsp's last payday with win bonus, would have gotten 200k if he lost) is the same jump in pay as 300k(MLB league min) to 24 million(80x the min). You get paid to perform. PPV points and shit are for stars.

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/entertainment-articles/georges-stpierre-5-million-ufc-fight/

GSP 200k to fight. New guys 6k. Phone Post 3.0
5/22/13 12:34 PM
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DWray - He made $6,000/$6,000?! Georges St. Pierre only makes $3,000 to show and $3,000 to win.

Oh. No. Wait, that is what GSP made at UFC 46. Now he makes ~$5 million per fight. Because he pleased his bosses and became the very best at what he does.

The UFC will allow you to make a lot of money if you prove to them you're worth it.
Yes, comparing Volkman to one of the top pfp fighters of all time seems legit. Also, that was a long time ago. Phone Post 3.0
GSP makes 200k a fight. Look it up. Everything he gets after that is because he's a star. PPV points ect are because he's a draw. Everyone thinking GSP makes 1-2 mil a fight is stupid. Most his money comes from PPV points because he's big draw.

GSP's last fight 200k to show 270k to win. Everything else he got is because of who he is. But just his fight pay is 200k to 470k. Phone Post 3.0
5/22/13 12:42 PM
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How many tickets does he sell? I didnt tune in to watch him. Sounds like he was overpaid if anything..... Phone Post
5/22/13 12:48 PM
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So people that aren't at the top get 6k to show 6k bonus to win.

GSP gets 200k to show 270k win bonus.

That's what the get to fight. PPV points GSP earned and that why his pay seems so large. But he earned his bread. Every other fighter can do the same. Phone Post 3.0
5/22/13 12:50 PM
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eljamaiquino -  How many tickets does he sell? I didnt tune in to watch him. Sounds like he was overpaid if anything..... Phone Post

That's because you're not a true fan.
5/22/13 12:56 PM
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DaleSonnen - How come he's not getting asked questions like "So do you think your a exciting fighter to watch in the Octagon?" The guy would never be able to sell PPV's or sell out arena's.. ever... UFC was probably looking for an excuse to get rid of him.

The same argument is made about GSP but he still sells ppvs.
5/22/13 1:04 PM
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nhdjoseywales - SO if thats true, then he makes a Chiropractor salary, a coaches salary, extra money from extra coaching and he got 40k+ a year from UFC. is this guy really complaining he cant make a living doing all that shit? If the "third job" isnt paying what you want then quit ya retard. He really does come off as a whiny ass conservative douchebag who wants it all for themselves and none for others.

Lol the shills are coming out strong on this one. He makes basically no money as a chiropractor, and something tells me his part time coaching gig isn't a huge pay day I dunno...


Either way that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, you're just trying to justify why the UFC pays so shitty. The UFC has a right to fire him, but he has just as much right to bitch about how they were a shitty employer.

There's always going to be some friction between the sport purists, and those who view the UFC more like the WWE. Maybe the UFC cutting guys like Fitch and Volkmann isn't a big deal to the WWE types, but I don't like seeing guys who are still competitive in the division cut, while other guys can go on 5 fight losing streaks and stay, and others get title shots after they lose because they can talk like a WWE Star.

I know chiropractors with private planes and vacation homes. If he can't make a living, it probably has to do with that abrasive and whining attitude.

Lots of money to be made in his chosen field. In any state. UFC owes him nada. Phone Post
5/22/13 1:08 PM
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What is he trying to expose? What we already know? Up and comers don't make much when they first sign? We knee that. High profile fan favorites make a lot more than guys who "just win"? We knew that. He got cut because he lost a fight? We knew that was coming after the oddball things the guy says and his style isn't the most fan pleasing style.

When will guys understand you get paid what you can negotiate and your value is placed on you by the fans. As it has always been, if the people love you, you will get paid.

I want all the fighters to get paid more. But there will always be guys who are successful but not financially successful. If you want to get paid more and get title shots, win andnbe entertaining. If not, you'll have to go on an incredible win streak and beat the fan favorites in the process. Sports have politics, maybe there shouldn't be but there is. Just how it is. Phone Post
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While I certainly wished fighters at the low end would be paid a lot more, well that's free market economics for you. He calls himself a conservative yet balks at this? And wants better healthcare for fighters but not for the population as a whole? Damn.

Fighters "on TV" might not make great pay at first, but if they keep winning they will. If they have charisma and marketing skills they will. They can make bank if they start or are part of MMA school if they play their cards right. Etc etc

You know... capitalism at work...
5/22/13 1:14 PM
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DaleSonnen - How come he's not getting asked questions like "So do you think your a exciting fighter to watch in the Octagon?" The guy would never be able to sell PPV's or sell out arena's.. ever... UFC was probably looking for an excuse to get rid of him.

The same argument is made about GSP but he still sells ppvs.
Well that isn't exactly an argument at all. GSP became a draw before he became "boring". He was already a champion. He destroyed the Legendary Matt Hughes, Frank Trigg, BJ Penn, Sean Sherk and Matt Serra. All champions or top 3 who fought for the title.

Not exactly comparable to Volkman. Say what you want about how GSP fights today, but he earned his status as a PPV star. Phone Post
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volkmann was at 20/20 and would probably still be in the UFC if he was more of a team player.
5/22/13 1:19 PM
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