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Ha, I get it - Your an atheist looking to pick on Christians for some reason. Why just Christians? Phone Post 3.0
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JitsuGuy - Mother fuckers voting me down because I ask what should be a simple question.

Irony, getting voted down for asking sincere questions on a "Christian" forum.

BTW, I'll help you with your answer... The world wouldn't look any different than it does now.

Contrary to popular belief this is not a "Christian" forum - or rather a "Christians Only" forum.  This "Thread" had a request for a Christians perspective.  It may be semantics but saying this is a Christian Forum is wrong.  This post is in a Thread and it's not even a Christians thread.  Even though a christian perspective was requested it's still the Holy Ground Forum where everyones input is supposed to be welcome. 

BTW - Not trolling but...  It's an oxymoron to question what the world would look like without God then say it wouldn't look any different than it does now to a Christian.  First of all if we lived in a world without God then there would be no Christians!  Of course the world would look different!  Only a moron would ask such a question.  It would mean you don't understand the real impact of Christianity in the world.  Good & Bad.   


Sorry I'm a moron.... But I didn't ask what a world without Christians would look like. I asked what a world without God would look like.


Obviously, there would be Christians... Because there is no God. So I'm sorry, you're incorrect.

Must not feel too great when a moron corrects you, right?




If you don't believe in a god. Why do you ask the question at all. To be a true atheist, you wouldn't even bother with the subject because to he wouldn't exist in the first place.

Now if you don't know which god you believe in. That would make more sense to ask your first question.

So are you an atheist or do you just now know what god you believe in?

So we can only inquire on things we believe in? Got it.

I don't believe in any god from any ancient text... Nature may be god, love may be god but not some divine entity who has our universe sitting in glass jar for his/her enjoyment.

I've never said nature or other things couldn't be your god. As long you acknowledge that you're not an atheist. That's fine.

So your answer is you don't know which god you believe in. As long as we got that clear. You acknowledge that there is a god.

5/31/13 2:04 PM
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Thanks.

Don't get me wrong. Your question is not a bad question. It's a good question. I just don't believe in the term atheist.

In atheist is in atheist until he's on his death bed.

I have a question. We understand how a car fires up. A person is the source that puts the Gasoline in the car. Without it. The car sits.

What puts the very breath in your lungs to breathe in and out for no reason?

We can understand a human being has to add gasoline to a car but what adds the breathe to your body?
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He Needs a Christians perspective because he's a Christian! He doesn't believe but wants to. Okay good - Take it away Stevo! Phone Post 3.0
5/31/13 2:39 PM
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He wants a Christians perspective because he's an unbelieving Christian yet he wants to believe in Christianity or harass them! Take it away Stevo! Phone Post 3.0
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Thanks.

Don't get me wrong. Your question is not a bad question. It's a good question. I just don't believe in the term atheist.

In atheist is in atheist until he's on his death bed.

I have a question. We understand how a car fires up. A person is the source that puts the Gasoline in the car. Without it. The car sits.

What puts the very breath in your lungs to breathe in and out for no reason?

We can understand a human being has to add gasoline to a car but what adds the breathe to your body?

The divine spark in all humans adds the breathe.
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770mdm - Ha, I get it - Your an atheist looking to pick on Christians for some reason. Why just Christians? Phone Post 3.0

I'm a recent deconvert from Christianity after being a believer for nearly 3 decades, like Seth Andrews (The Thinking Atheist) and many more who are found on www.ex-christian.net.

It's just a subject I'm interested in. Nothing more. I just like to engage in conversation on the matter. Not because I'm a believer or want to be a believer but because it's a discussion that I love having. Not much more, really.
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Thanks.

Don't get me wrong. Your question is not a bad question. It's a good question. I just don't believe in the term atheist.

In atheist is in atheist until he's on his death bed.

I have a question. We understand how a car fires up. A person is the source that puts the Gasoline in the car. Without it. The car sits.

What puts the very breath in your lungs to breathe in and out for no reason?

We can understand a human being has to add gasoline to a car but what adds the breathe to your body?

The divine spark in all humans adds the breathe.

Scripture please. Show me the divine spark in scripture
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It's tough to break away from egocentric beliefs jitsuguy. They become part of you. All the best. I wish you grace and peace.
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JitsuGuy - What would a world without God look like?


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It wouldn't exist. Phone Post
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It wouldn't exist. Phone Post
Oh wait, you said without God, not if he didn't exist... Phone Post
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It wouldn't exist. Phone Post
Oh wait, you said without God, not if he didn't exist... Phone Post
My brain. It's farting... Phone Post
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Thanks.

Don't get me wrong. Your question is not a bad question. It's a good question. I just don't believe in the term atheist.

In atheist is in atheist until he's on his death bed.

I have a question. We understand how a car fires up. A person is the source that puts the Gasoline in the car. Without it. The car sits.

What puts the very breath in your lungs to breathe in and out for no reason?

We can understand a human being has to add gasoline to a car but what adds the breathe to your body?

The divine spark in all humans adds the breathe.

Scripture please. Show me the divine spark in scripture

What will scripture prove? I always like how the Kalama Sutta spoke about scripture.

'Do not go upon what has been acquired by repeated hearing; nor upon tradition; nor upon rumor; nor upon what is in a scripture; but when you yourselves know: 'These things are good; these things are not blamable; these things are praised by the wise; undertaken and observed, these things lead to benefit and happiness,' enter on and abide in them.'
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Thanks.

Don't get me wrong. Your question is not a bad question. It's a good question. I just don't believe in the term atheist.

In atheist is in atheist until he's on his death bed.

I have a question. We understand how a car fires up. A person is the source that puts the Gasoline in the car. Without it. The car sits.

What puts the very breath in your lungs to breathe in and out for no reason?

We can understand a human being has to add gasoline to a car but what adds the breathe to your body?
You realize, of course, that your statement is unfalsifiable, and therefore absurd, right?

A Muslim could just as easily say, "There's no such thing as a Christian. They're only Christian until they are on their death bed and realize the truth of Allah."

An Asatruar could say, "There's no such thing as a monotheist. They're only monotheist until they are on their death bed waiting for the Valkyr to steal them from Hela and deliver them to Odin."

Et cetera.

As for the question about breathing, that would be caused by expanding and contracting lungs. Phone Post
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Thanks.

Don't get me wrong. Your question is not a bad question. It's a good question. I just don't believe in the term atheist.

In atheist is in atheist until he's on his death bed.

I have a question. We understand how a car fires up. A person is the source that puts the Gasoline in the car. Without it. The car sits.

What puts the very breath in your lungs to breathe in and out for no reason?

We can understand a human being has to add gasoline to a car but what adds the breathe to your body?

You're going to have to do a lot better than that...

Atheists. Many exist because the biblical god is such a bad one. Out of spite, in a sense... If that's the best we got, then send me to hell. That mother fucker straight up sucks.
5/31/13 4:42 PM
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770mdm - Ha, I get it - Your an atheist looking to pick on Christians for some reason. Why just Christians? Phone Post 3.0

I'm a recent deconvert from Christianity after being a believer for nearly 3 decades, like Seth Andrews (The Thinking Atheist) and many more who are found on www.ex-christian.net.

It's just a subject I'm interested in. Nothing more. I just like to engage in conversation on the matter. Not because I'm a believer or want to be a believer but because it's a discussion that I love having. Not much more, really.

So why engage this conversation only with Christians? 

The structure of existence is rooted in its Source. Like an architect’s plan, the Divine will encompasses all the details of the structure of existence. So the actualized structure is only revealing that which was contained in the plan...  Rabbi Simon Jacobson 

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770mdm - Ha, I get it - Your an atheist looking to pick on Christians for some reason. Why just Christians? Phone Post 3.0

I'm a recent deconvert from Christianity after being a believer for nearly 3 decades, like Seth Andrews (The Thinking Atheist) and many more who are found on www.ex-christian.net.

It's just a subject I'm interested in. Nothing more. I just like to engage in conversation on the matter. Not because I'm a believer or want to be a believer but because it's a discussion that I love having. Not much more, really.

So why engage this conversation only with Christians? 

The structure of existence is rooted in its Source. Like an architect’s plan, the Divine will encompasses all the details of the structure of existence. So the actualized structure is only revealing that which was contained in the plan...  Rabbi Simon Jacobson 


I'm curious if Christians could imagine a world that exists as ours does, but without their god existing at the same time.

It's really a challenge that I don't believe many Christians could successfully accomplish.

So, can a Christian hypothetically ponder a world like ours, existing, without God?

As I expected, the first direct answer was, "It wouldn't exist."

It illustrates how the mind is not free to even ponder specific realities. Free will? Naaa, we can't even fathom hypotheticals.

It's a good display of how we look at the world and frame it so our conclusion can make sense. Those of certain religions are more guilty of this type of mental acrobatics.
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I'm still failing to see how this is a Christian only question?

Most any religious person or seeker or agnostic will have a hard time with that question.

A better question would be can any religious person live without the scripture that defines them. Would life be different without our scriptures? God's existence would be almost moot. But this is your question to Christian's only and I'm still not understanding why just Christians Phone Post 3.0
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Maybe you can help me OPEN MY MIND?!


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Thanks.

Don't get me wrong. Your question is not a bad question. It's a good question. I just don't believe in the term atheist.

In atheist is in atheist until he's on his death bed.

I have a question. We understand how a car fires up. A person is the source that puts the Gasoline in the car. Without it. The car sits.

What puts the very breath in your lungs to breathe in and out for no reason?

We can understand a human being has to add gasoline to a car but what adds the breathe to your body?

The divine spark in all humans adds the breathe.

Scripture please. Show me the divine spark in scripture

What will scripture prove? I always like how the Kalama Sutta spoke about scripture.

'Do not go upon what has been acquired by repeated hearing; nor upon tradition; nor upon rumor; nor upon what is in a scripture; but when you yourselves know: 'These things are good; these things are not blamable; these things are praised by the wise; undertaken and observed, these things lead to benefit and happiness,' enter on and abide in them.'

2Timothy 3:16

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
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Thanks.

Don't get me wrong. Your question is not a bad question. It's a good question. I just don't believe in the term atheist.

In atheist is in atheist until he's on his death bed.

I have a question. We understand how a car fires up. A person is the source that puts the Gasoline in the car. Without it. The car sits.

What puts the very breath in your lungs to breathe in and out for no reason?

We can understand a human being has to add gasoline to a car but what adds the breathe to your body?
You realize, of course, that your statement is unfalsifiable, and therefore absurd, right?

A Muslim could just as easily say, "There's no such thing as a Christian. They're only Christian until they are on their death bed and realize the truth of Allah."

An Asatruar could say, "There's no such thing as a monotheist. They're only monotheist until they are on their death bed waiting for the Valkyr to steal them from Hela and deliver them to Odin."

Et cetera.

As for the question about breathing, that would be caused by expanding and contracting lungs. Phone Post

I wouldn't mind if he said Allah. The statement was a entity period. A God. I didn't state it had to be the bible.

As for your explanation. You've just explained breathing. I said what adds the breath to your body. Lungs do the work. Just like an engine does the work of firing gasoline. What adds the breath of air to your body?

My statement of what I believe bout a atheist is because I believe in scripture

Psalm 14:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Which is it with you KFJ? Are you a fool with atheist or do you despise me so much that you're willing to go against God just to prove me wrong?


If you want to defend atheist then this makes you foolish according to the bible, correct?


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770mdm - I'm still failing to see how this is a Christian only question?

Most any religious person or seeker or agnostic will have a hard time with that question.

A better question would be can any religious person live without the scripture that defines them. Would life be different without our scriptures? God's existence would be almost moot. But this is your question to Christian's only and I'm still not understanding why just Christians Phone Post 3.0

I believe you're right. This could go to any religion.
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Thanks.

Don't get me wrong. Your question is not a bad question. It's a good question. I just don't believe in the term atheist.

In atheist is in atheist until he's on his death bed.

I have a question. We understand how a car fires up. A person is the source that puts the Gasoline in the car. Without it. The car sits.

What puts the very breath in your lungs to breathe in and out for no reason?

We can understand a human being has to add gasoline to a car but what adds the breathe to your body?

You're going to have to do a lot better than that...

Atheists. Many exist because the biblical god is such a bad one. Out of spite, in a sense... If that's the best we got, then send me to hell. That mother fucker straight up sucks.

The problem with your statement of calling yourself an atheist is you're acknowledging he exist by saying he's bad and the curse word sucks toward the God that put the breath in you.

Now you acknowledge there's a God. You're not an atheist. You just hate the God that spoke you into existence.

My question is to you. When you did use to follow him. Did you receive the Holy Ghost when you believed?
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Thanks.

Don't get me wrong. Your question is not a bad question. It's a good question. I just don't believe in the term atheist.

In atheist is in atheist until he's on his death bed.

I have a question. We understand how a car fires up. A person is the source that puts the Gasoline in the car. Without it. The car sits.

What puts the very breath in your lungs to breathe in and out for no reason?

We can understand a human being has to add gasoline to a car but what adds the breathe to your body?
You realize, of course, that your statement is unfalsifiable, and therefore absurd, right?

A Muslim could just as easily say, "There's no such thing as a Christian. They're only Christian until they are on their death bed and realize the truth of Allah."

An Asatruar could say, "There's no such thing as a monotheist. They're only monotheist until they are on their death bed waiting for the Valkyr to steal them from Hela and deliver them to Odin."

Et cetera.

As for the question about breathing, that would be caused by expanding and contracting lungs. Phone Post

I wouldn't mind if he said Allah. The statement was a entity period. A God. I didn't state it had to be the bible.

As for your explanation. You've just explained breathing. I said what adds the breath to your body. Lungs do the work. Just like an engine does the work of firing gasoline. What adds the breath of air to your body?

My statement of what I believe bout a atheist is because I believe in scripture

Psalm 14:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Which is it with you KFJ? Are you a fool with atheist or do you despise me so much that you're willing to go against God just to prove me wrong?


If you want to defend atheist then this makes you foolish according to the bible, correct?



Yes, your lungs add breath to your body. They are what draw the air in, and expel the air out. That is what a breath is. Air entering and exiting one's body as a result of the expansion and contraction of the lungs.

Now, if you are attempting to use breath metaphorically in order to mean something spiritual, such as the "spark of life," I would say that the question is flawed. You are asking someone who doesn't believe in things spiritual to explain a spiritual assertion.

I, myself, am an atheist. Yes, if the Bible were wholly and inerrantly true, then that would mean I must be a fool. However, I do not believe that the Bible is wholly and inerrantly true. If you want to think that makes me foolish, that is your prerogative; just as it is the Asatruar's prerogative to think that monotheists are foolish for believing in only one god, or the Muslim's prerogative to think that Christians are foolish for thinking Jesus was crucified. Personally, I tend to judge a person's intellect by its own merits, but to each his own.

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