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5/26/13 7:48 AM
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In boxing, greatness comes from great rivalry.

Without Joe Frazier, Ali never would have been the most famous man in the world. Decades after both had retired, Frazier said of his so diminished rival, “I want to cut him into pieces and send him up to Jesus.” And he meant it. That was a rivalry.

Take Arturo Gatti from Micky Ward, and Mark Wahlberg wouldn't have played "Irish" in "The Fighter" which earned seven Academy Award nominations. Take Tommy Hearns from Ray Leonard, or Sugar from The Hitman, and neither would be one of the truly greats.

Some extraordinary fighters never had that rival, and so never quite reached immortal fame. Oscar de la Hoya will never be confused with Oscar de la Renta, but he never had that great rival that could elevate him to the pugilistic pantheon. Roy Jones Jr may be the greatest talent of the last 50 years, but it never quite came out. When Roy Jones corruptly lost the Olympic gold medal, post fight he said "You saw what God gave me." But we never quite did.

The history of the UFC heavyweight division is a curious one - no champion has ever defended his title three times. In fact, only Randy Couture, Tim Sylvia and Brock Lesnar have defended the title twice.

Lightweight has BJ Penn, Welterweight has GSP and Matt Hughes, Middleweight has Anderson Silva, Light heavyweight has Jon Jones, Chuck Liddell, Randy Couture, and Tito Ortiz. But heavyweight has never had a great, division-defining rivalry and champion. It may now.

In an appearance on MMA Junkie Radio following the loss of his title in a rematch with Cain Velasquez, Junior dos Santos saw the future.

"II won a fight. He won the other one," said JDS. "Now we have to have the third fight, the rematch. I'm sure everybody wants to know who is the real best. For now, he is the best, but I know people will want to see this fight again, and I can't wait."

"For sure, I think we can be like Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier and all those guys; I really think we can have a lot of fights... My development is getting better every day. I think Cain Velasquez and me are going to have great fights for the fans."

As reported by Kevin Iole, JDS now believes that fighting Cain Velasquez is his defining destiny, and that they will fight five times, or more. #3 is in the works.

Saturday night at UFC 160, heavyweight champion Cain Velasquez knocked out Antonio "Bigfoot" Silva, and Junior dos Santos knocked out Mark Hunt with a spin kick to head, setting up a rubber match between the pair, and a path to greatness.

At the UFC 160 post fight press conference, UFC president Dana White announced that Cain Velasquez and Junior dos Santos would fight in 2013. Although he did not set a date, he indicated it would happen before the promotion's year-end show.

So what do you think UG? Who wins the rematch? And what does it take to be one of the greats?


5/26/13 7:59 AM
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the 2 best HW's ever.
5/26/13 8:03 AM
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I think they need to let the rivalry build some more. Let Cain fight Werdum for another title defense if Werdum gets past Nog (which he should) and then make perhaps Junior face Cormier, Barnett, or Overeem if Alistair beats Browne (again, which he should).

If Cain and Junior win those fights, then a rubber match is certainly appropriate. I just think it's a bit early for it right now.
5/26/13 8:08 AM
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Not yet christ why kill off a great heavy too soon...one is going to lose then what ?

Cain vs Werdum

JDS vs Cormier please

Big foot vs Struve

Hunt vs Nog or Barry
5/26/13 8:09 AM
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^ we dont need it to build anymore. these guys are gonna likely fight 5 or 7 times... might as well get going.
5/26/13 8:11 AM
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Take Arturo Gatti from Micky Ward, and Donnie Wahlberg wouldn't have played "Irish" in "The Fighter" which earned seven Academy Award nominations.

While the New Kid on the Block is a quality actor, he is no Marky Mark. Phone Post 3.0
5/26/13 8:37 AM
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So in his last 5 fights, Cain will only have fought 2 different guys. LMAO.

I have no interest in seeing a rubber match yet. Cain should defend his title against someone else and let JDS get another win under his belt too.
5/26/13 8:45 AM
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Anybody else see the typo? They said Donny whalberg... It's mark whalberg. Phone Post 3.0
5/26/13 8:46 AM
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Davis gave me a Vaginal Tear - Take Arturo Gatti from Micky Ward, and Donnie Wahlberg wouldn't have played "Irish" in "The Fighter" which earned seven Academy Award nominations.

While the New Kid on the Block is a quality actor, he is no Marky Mark. Phone Post 3.0
Fuck my fault didn't see this. VU sir Phone Post 3.0
5/26/13 8:57 AM
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Willy the Coyote - Stupid really. Both of them get rematches too fast. JDS should need one more win while Cain fights Werdum after he KO's Nog..l Phone Post
I agree with this to the word. Phone Post
5/26/13 1:53 PM
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Cain's Last fights:

JDS
Silva
JDS
Silva
JDS

^^^This is the problem. WTF.
5/26/13 1:57 PM
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no other heavyweight deserves a shot
5/26/13 2:04 PM
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Boooooooo

Fucking booooooo

Put it on fox at least like the first one Phone Post 3.0
5/26/13 3:42 PM
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have Cain fight Werdum if he beats Big Nog, have JDS fight Cormier, and have Jones fight Cormier if Cormier beats JDS

 

If Werdum loses then make Cain vs JDS III, have Cormier fight winner of Overeem vs Browne.

5/26/13 3:50 PM
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MMALOGIC - ^ we dont need it to build anymore. these guys are gonna likely fight 5 or 7 times... might as well get going.
This.

These two aren't going anywhere for a long time and they're both clearly ahead of everyone else. This rivalry is probably going to go past three fights because there will be no way to avoid it in the coming years. Phone Post 3.0
5/26/13 5:43 PM
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Winston Wolf - no other heavyweight deserves a shot

this pretty much and they all get smoked.i wanna see the two best heavy weights fight. and thats what we will see. jds and cain beat the shit out of overeem,werdum, or who ever except dc.and dc wont fight cain...so dc cant fight jds rt now cause there is a gd chance he beats him...then cain has no one to fight at all.
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WAR CAIN VELASQUEZ!!! Phone Post
5/26/13 9:20 PM
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MMALOGIC - ^ we dont need it to build anymore. these guys are gonna likely fight 5 or 7 times... might as well get going.

Sad truth.  Unlike the three divisions below it which each have one man that is head and shoulders above the rest of the competition, the HW division has two (who happen to be closely matched in skill).

Sort of interesting yet sort of redundant.  I'll be watching either way:)

5/27/13 11:26 AM
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Is the writer suggesting that Oscar de la Hoya and Roy Jones Jr. never reached immortal fame, but that Arturo Gatti and Micky Ward did?

I don't know what to say to that.

5/27/13 11:37 AM
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Willy the Coyote - Stupid really. Both of them get rematches too fast. JDS should need one more win while Cain fights Werdum after he KO's Nog..l Phone Post
I agree with this to the word. Phone Post

Agreed as well. A lot of words used to justify yet another rematch.

It is not like these guys are going at each other's throats outside the ring. No real trash talk or scuffles at weigh inns. They have respect for each other. So the case for a rematch? Cain was a beast without JDS and vice versa. So to bring up Frazier/Ali or any of the other big boxing rivalries is irrelevant.

Like many said, too soon, rushed, boring, I agree with all of that.

5/27/13 5:11 PM
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I seriously love it when people start talking about greatness. Both fighters really make each other better.
5/27/13 8:40 PM
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Protect Ya Neck - Cain's Last fights:

JDS
Silva
JDS
Silva
JDS

^^^This is the problem. WTF.
Damn good point Phone Post
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This is all Overeem's fault, but I more than excited about this Trilogy.
5/27/13 9:09 PM
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NYmmanow265 - Not yet christ why kill off a great heavy too soon...one is going to lose then what ?

Cain vs Werdum

JDS vs Cormier please

Big foot vs Struve

Hunt vs Nog or Barry
Replace joe silva with this guy Phone Post

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