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Following UFC 161, president Dana White conducted his tradition post fight media scrum, as always offering compelling answers to wide variety of topics, including Roy Nelson.

Saturday was the final fight on Roy Nelson's contract, and he declined to resign a new contract before the fight, feeling that with a win and a four fight win streak, his stock would be considerably higher.

However, the reason you have the fight in mixed martial arts is you don't know what is going to happen. Sat Nelson lost convincingly to Stipe Miocic, who was himself coming off a loss.

While the loss will doubtless not help Nelson in the contract negotiation, White said he remains interested.

"I want Roy Nelson in the UFC," said White. "We never said we didn't want Roy Nelson in the UFC. If I didn't want Roy Nelson in the UFC, I'd tell ya - he'd know it, everybody'd know it. You know?

"Roy and I don't have to see eye to eye and be best friends for him to fight here. We don't have to do that.

"It doesn't have to do with Roy's shape, his physique, or anything like that. I've said it before. Roy came to me one time and said I'm having a hard time getting sponsors.

"I said 'Well that's weird. I can't understand why you would have a hard time getting sponsors. How about you cut your hair, lose some weight, get rid of the walk in song I'm Fat? And take yourself seriously - you're a tough guy, you've got a lot of talent. You're a very well-rounded fighter.

"He said 'OK.'

"I saw him at the next press conference, his mullett was longer, he grew a beard down to here, and he was maybe six pounds less than the last time I had seen him.

"I said 'It is good to see you took my advice.'

"Don't complain to me - who wants to put their logo on that? Nobody. Nobody wants to put their logo on that."

At that point a media member suggested Burger King.

"Burger King," replied White. "Well, that's what he thought. You ever watch a Burger King commercial? It's all handsome guys, skinny, and pretty girls. You think Burger King wants people to think that that is what you look like if you eat at Burger King? That's the last thing Burger King wants - 'If you eat Burger King you'll look like F@$%ing this guy with the mullet and the gut."

"Not even Burger King wants that stamp."

Ariel Helwani then asked about a remark White had made earlier in the evening.

"You said to him 'Let's go in a room and do it.' Do you want to go make a deal right now tonight?"

White explained that something had come up that required his discretion.

"No," said White. "There's... he's said he doesn't want to talk about it publicly. So... we won't talk about it publicly. It's not about making a deal. 

Helwani then asked if Nelson had an offer?

"Yah, he had an offer," replied White. "A month ago, a month an a half ago."

Helwani pressed further, asking what White meant when he said "Let's go in a room."

White replied a little mysteriously.

"Because somebody is not telling the truth about something," said White. "And he said 'what we need is to...' and I said 'f@$%ing do it right now. Go get everybody in a room RIGHT NOW and we'll see who is telling the truth and who's not."

Helwani continued, asking what it regarded.

"He doesn't want to talk about it publically," replied White. "So I already talked about it too much. I already said too much, so..."

White was then asked what he thought about Nelson refusing the profered contract.

"I've said it before and I'll say it again," said White. "He's got a hell of a chin, and can knock people out, and he ain't going to be winning any f@$%king spelling bees any time soon. Okay? Not the smartest man you will ever meet."

"There's a lot of reasons why I respect Roy Nelson. Roy Nelson rolled the dice tonight, you know? He had a high stakes poker game tonight, and he lost."

"It's not like we're saying 'we don't want Roy Nelson, we hate him here.' We're trying to come to a deal with Roy Nelson. "

White was then asked about Nelson's reference to Daniel Cormier as an "Uncle Tom." White offered mild support for Nelson over the issue, but added "I will say it again, he is not the brightest f@$%ing guy you will ever meet. He's not going to be winning any Nobel Peace Prizes, he's not going to find the cure for f@$%ing cancer, he's not going to win any spelling bees, he's ...

"But if you ask him, he'll tell you he's the smartest guy in the world. He's just not."

White then related an experience from the past where Nelson approach UFC VP for Talent Relations Joe Silva and said his TUF contract was not lucrative enough. Silva offered him a new contract, with a higher pay scale, but as explained by White, it was not enough, so Nelson refused it, and stayed with his original and lower contract.

White was then pushed about Nelson's low pay (he got $24,000 to show, $24,000 win his previous time out).

"Yah," agreed White. "Because he wanted to say on the Ultimate Fighter contract, instead of taking the new deal that was offered to him. It's more money."

White was then asked if Roy was perhaps just stubborn?

"Yah," said White. "That's why he can't be knocked out. That's what I told his wife tonight... He's so thick headed you couldn't knock him out with a f@$%ing truck, you know?"

Helwani then said if you consider for example Nelson's Twitter followers, there are people that relate to Nelson and how he looks.

"People don't relate him in the way that he looks," replied White. "If people related to him in the way that he looks, there'd be sponsors f@$%ing stuck all over him. You're wrong there. What people related to is he's knocked 12 people out in a row. People tune in and watch this guy who looks like he could barely walk up the stairs to the Octagon, and he goes in there an knocks out these guys, like Cheick Kongo, this physical specimen. He hits them in the neck and knocks them out. That's why people like Roy Nelson. And people like Roy Nelson because he is this renegade guy.

White was then asked about Stipe Miocic's performance.

"Roy was talking about a title shot and they'll never give me one," said White. "But you get a guy who can use his hands, and footwork, he'll pick Roy Nelson apart every day, if he doesn't land that bomb on him. Or if he doesn't get that double leg and get him on the ground and smother him for all three rounds.

"That's my frustration with Roy Nelson. If he took himself seriously, if he lost some of the weight, and really trained, imagine what that guy would be able to do. Look at the things that he does now, in the shape that he's in and the things that he does now. He is his worst enemy. Everybody wants to talk about how popular he is... he ain't so f@$%king popular that he's making Georges St-Pierre money, or Anderson Silva money, or Cain Velasquez money or Junior dos Santos money. The guys that are the top of the division, you know? When you're the best you make a $#!*load of money. When you're mediocre, you make mediocre money." 

For his part, at the UFC 161 post fight press conference, Nelson expressed the desire to stay in the UFC.

“I want to get past this loss and fight,” said Nelson. “If Dana and Lorenzo want me to be in the UFC then hey, I’ll be knocking on Cain Velasquez’s door or whoever the champ is when I’m knocking on it.”


6/16/13 10:22 AM
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Hate to give Dana props, but he was dead on for almost the entirety of that video especially with Mazzagatti rant.

6/16/13 10:36 AM
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6/16/13 10:54 AM
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He's just wrong with the Burger King crap!
The have a old white lame looking white dude with glass in Burger King commercials. It's not a fn Carl's jr commercial lol like models eat that shit lol Phone Post 3.0
6/16/13 11:05 AM
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6/16/13 11:07 AM
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LOL he sure has a hardon against Mazzagatti. 

I'm not sure I agree that Steve wasn't doing his job in the Fitch fight.  An arm-in guillotine from the half guard is a pretty low percentage move.  And Fitch was out pretty fast.  I suspect in a few more seconds mazzagatti would have lifted his arms to see if he was limp and stopped the fight.  I watched the fight again, and there was nothing that indicated Fitch was out before Burkman rolled him and stood up.  And if Steve would have stopped it that quick with no indication and Fitch would have popped up immediately asking why he stopped it, then he would have gotten even more heat.

6/16/13 11:12 AM
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6/16/13 11:12 AM
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LOL he sure has a hardon against Mazzagatti. 

I'm not sure I agree that Steve wasn't doing his job in the Fitch fight.  An arm-in guillotine from the half guard is a pretty low percentage move.  And Fitch was out pretty fast.  I suspect in a few more seconds mazzagatti would have lifted his arms to see if he was limp and stopped the fight.  I watched the fight again, and there was nothing that indicated Fitch was out before Burkman rolled him and stood up.  And if Steve would have stopped it that quick with no indication and Fitch would have popped up immediately asking why he stopped it, then he would have gotten even more heat.


Anthony Johnson from cageside realised Fitch was out, Mazzagati was not even close to see what is going on.
6/16/13 11:18 AM
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LOL he sure has a hardon against Mazzagatti. 

I'm not sure I agree that Steve wasn't doing his job in the Fitch fight.  An arm-in guillotine from the half guard is a pretty low percentage move.  And Fitch was out pretty fast.  I suspect in a few more seconds mazzagatti would have lifted his arms to see if he was limp and stopped the fight.  I watched the fight again, and there was nothing that indicated Fitch was out before Burkman rolled him and stood up.  And if Steve would have stopped it that quick with no indication and Fitch would have popped up immediately asking why he stopped it, then he would have gotten even more heat.

Couple good points, but he was still in a bad position to see it.

Agree though on the tough position to finish an arm in and it being Fitch. Fitch even still has his legs under him; even admitted trying to do a lift and failing. Phone Post
6/16/13 11:20 AM
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Damn he put nelson on BLAST. Completely agree w dana, as usual. Phone Post 3.0
6/16/13 11:22 AM
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Dana hit every point against Nelson perfectly.

6/16/13 11:32 AM
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6/16/13 11:33 AM
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Dana is right on about Nelson, he's talking very little fake shit, just saying what dozens of people here say all the time: that Nelson would be much better if he worked his cardio, dropped a little weight, etc. It's ridiculous that some think Dana sits around thinking about how to screw Nelson. He is a successful guy, he has better things to do with his time and his business than that.

On Mazzagatti, the problem wasn't that he let the fight go long, because he had nothing to do with the end. That's the problem. He wasn't close, he was not ready, and if Burkman hadn't stopped it who knows what could've happened.
6/16/13 1:04 PM
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So, what was Nelson's new contract worth?
6/16/13 1:11 PM
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Barbalos - Dana is right on about Nelson, he's talking very little fake shit, just saying what dozens of people here say all the time: that Nelson would be much better if he worked his cardio, dropped a little weight, etc. It's ridiculous that some think Dana sits around thinking about how to screw Nelson. He is a successful guy, he has better things to do with his time and his business than that.

On Mazzagatti, the problem wasn't that he let the fight go long, because he had nothing to do with the end. That's the problem. He wasn't close, he was not ready, and if Burkman hadn't stopped it who knows what could've happened.

Dana's dead on about Mazzagatti being totally disengaged at times.

Look at the way that he was acting during Edwards/Thompson.

 

 

A dude gets drop kicked in the head, and he doesn't even bother to break the stride of his casual stroll around the octagon.

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Barbalos - Dana is right on about Nelson, he's talking very little fake shit, just saying what dozens of people here say all the time: that Nelson would be much better if he worked his cardio, dropped a little weight, etc. It's ridiculous that some think Dana sits around thinking about how to screw Nelson. He is a successful guy, he has better things to do with his time and his business than that.

On Mazzagatti, the problem wasn't that he let the fight go long, because he had nothing to do with the end. That's the problem. He wasn't close, he was not ready, and if Burkman hadn't stopped it who knows what could've happened.

Dana's dead on about Mazzagatti being totally disengaged at times.

Look at the way that he was acting during Edwards/Thompson.

 

 

A dude gets drop kicked in the head, and he doesn't even bother to break the stride of his casual stroll around the octagon.


Yup, the same casual stroll he took over to Jon Fitch as Burkmann was already stood up.
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lol maybe Steve just has really slow reflexes.

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"White then related an experience from the past where Nelson approach UFC VP for Talent Relations Joe Silva and said his TUF contract was not lucrative enough. Silva offered him a new contract, with a higher pay scale, but as explained by White, it was not enough, so Nelson refused it, and stayed with his original and lower contract."

Very interesting.

So Roy chose to stick with his crappy TUF contract as well as choosing not to re-sign before this fight. I have a feeling he is going to regret those decisions.

That said, it wouldn't surprise me if Spike/Viacom want to break the bank to sign the champion from the highest rated season of TUF. Say what you will about his physique or this recent loss, Spike seems to really be interested in grabbing up guys who are familiar to SpikeTV viewers, and Roy certainly fits that bill as the guy who beat Kimbo Slice.
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Ok I agree with a lot of Dana points but the whole calling him a dumbass pretty much over and over seems rather petty IMO.

Wasn't Roy a teacher and or worked in child development or some such shit? I have Roy over DFW in a spelling bee lol.
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Dana is right!!! NO ONE in corporate America wants the public to think they will look like Roy Nelson if you use their product. That's just not how advertising works.

There are a lot of people that identify with Roy because they to are fat and ugly but even they won't buy products that are pitched by other fat ugly people. Millions of dollars in studies have proven this. Phone Post 3.0
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Dana is always spot on. What other leader of a billion dollar sports coropration keeps it real like that and offers so much candid questions.

 

I love the part where he calls out Ariel on his asinine questions.

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Barbalos - Dana is right on about Nelson, he's talking very little fake shit, just saying what dozens of people here say all the time: that Nelson would be much better if he worked his cardio, dropped a little weight, etc. It's ridiculous that some think Dana sits around thinking about how to screw Nelson. He is a successful guy, he has better things to do with his time and his business than that.

On Mazzagatti, the problem wasn't that he let the fight go long, because he had nothing to do with the end. That's the problem. He wasn't close, he was not ready, and if Burkman hadn't stopped it who knows what could've happened.

In one of the earlier fights, a fighter almost backed into him.
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DFW is the best. Those candid scrums are the best in sports. No way I could watch a half hour interview in any other sport.
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A while ago Roy posted on Facebook that if he got X amount of likes he'd drop to LHW. Well he got the likes but never followed through...no clue why. I unliked his page a few months later.
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Roy looks like a fat homeless santa, guy gassed after 1 round too. How does that happen if you arent even cutting weight. He needs to get a haircut and learn to play the game a bit. Blaf has never been wrong about Roy. Phone Post 3.0

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