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6/18/13 4:29 PM
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DiscipleDojo
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This week a video has been making the rounds on social media among the MMA and BJJ communities.

It’s allegedly of a “5th degree black belt test” and is…

well…

I’ll let you decide for yourself…

[click here to see the vid]

Now those who have trained in any reputable style of martial art or combat sport realize immediately just how ineffective the above is when it comes to defending oneself or competing in any combat sport involving full (or even partial!) contact.

But to the untrained eye, who knows? Perhaps this is what “black belt” skill really looks like!

In fact, many martial arts schools profit greatly from the general ignorance regarding what constitutes legitimate martial art skill among the average soccer mom looking for an activity in which to enroll the kids, or the average cubicle worker who wants to get in shape or learn how to fight potential bad guys like Jason Bourne (both of which are perfectly legitimate desires!).

But that does not make the above techniques any more practical or effective (or even artistic!).

Yet, in terms of delusional martial artists, the above black belts are practically Anderson Silva, Rickson Gracie or Muhammed Ali compared to some of the other nonsense that circulates under the label of “martial arts”!

For instance, BJJ black belt Stephan Kesting (who is a utterly legit!), shares two of the absolute worst and most ridiculous martial arts techniques he’s ever seen taught…

[vid links]

Now here’s the thing: these people ACTUALLY BELIEVE that what they are learning is an effective martial art. They are not (for the most part) intentionally trying to scam or deceive people. They are true believers in the legitimacy of their art.

Likewise, they are DEDICATED. They spend years–even decades!–training and developing such “skills” and often take their training with deadly seriousness. They are not jumping from one fad to another, nor are they seeking mainstream popularity. Many of these people spend thousands, or tens of thousands of dollars on their training. They form close-knit bonds with their fellow students and the “masters” under whose watchful eye they train.

Yet none of this makes that in which they are investing so much time and energy any less ineffective.

These “martial arts” are dangerous, to be clear…but the danger is to the student!

It is the danger of misplaced confidence in a skill set that will most likely get the practitioner hurt should they ever be faced with the terrible reality of a violent physical confrontation.

And videos like the ones above remain the butt of jokes among legitimate martial artists and combat sports athletes. (There is even an entire web community devoted to debunking such claims within the martial arts world…it is called, fittingly enough, Bullshido!)

In fact, I was talking with my instructor about the first video posted above last night before our grappling class and he was saying how painful it was for him to watch such nonsense. As a professional martial arts instructor and school owner whose livelihood comes from teaching self-defense, he cringed as he watched such “black belt testing”, knowing that what was being demonstrated was in no way reflective of what a legitimate black belt should exhibit.

“Now you know how I feel when I hear much of the preaching on TV and radio.” I said with a grin.

We laughed about it…but it’s true. There is so much nonsense on Christian airwaves that claims to be effectively teaching and equipping people to understand God’s word. From the “Prosperity Preachers” to the “Prophecy Experts”, there is no lack of people publicly claiming the role of authoritative teacher when it comes to the things of God.

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6/19/13 3:02 PM
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The similarities of religion/cults and martial arts and cults has been around for awhile.
The boxer rebellion had martial artists training their iron body skills to withstand bullets. While I'm sure those practioners were of great skill and could kick derriere...the results against bullets didn't work out well.
Fighters throught southeast asia tattoo themselves so that they are stronger, faster and impervious to opponents. There are still tiger cults in places like Burma.

There are still martial artsists who do not take the time to research what they are doing and do not have a reference point of knowing "where" they should be. THe effect can be as above, a "5th" dan fighting like a purple belt or it can be a purple belt beating black belts..
6/19/13 3:50 PM
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When a person really starts to believe in something, be it religion, martial arts or even an unproven scientific theory, it CAN really becomes part of who they are. They are almost reborn so to speak, and their belief is now part of their ego. To deny their beliefs is to deny their very existence (not really their existence, but that's how the ego defends itself in convincing the person that so to speak).

Interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing.
6/19/13 6:54 PM
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gord96 - When a person really starts to believe in something, be it religion, martial arts or even an unproven scientific theory, it CAN really becomes part of who they are. They are almost reborn so to speak, and their belief is now part of their ego. To deny their beliefs is to deny their very existence (not really their existence, but that's how the ego defends itself in convincing the person that so to speak).

Interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing.

This is very true. Good points. When we stop seeking truth and seek only validation or confirmation, we are on the road to delusion indeed, regardless of the subject. Some delusions have greater consequences than others, but share many of the same root causes I think.

6/19/13 6:58 PM
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jrrrrr - The similarities of religion/cults and martial arts and cults has been around for awhile.
The boxer rebellion had martial artists training their iron body skills to withstand bullets. While I'm sure those practioners were of great skill and could kick derriere...the results against bullets didn't work out well.
Fighters throught southeast asia tattoo themselves so that they are stronger, faster and impervious to opponents. There are still tiger cults in places like Burma.

There are still martial artsists who do not take the time to research what they are doing and do not have a reference point of knowing "where" they should be. THe effect can be as above, a "5th" dan fighting like a purple belt or it can be a purple belt beating black belts..

Your 2nd paragraph is exactly why I believe live training against an unwilling opponent (whether it's randori, grappling, striking, or a combination of any of them) is the only way to truly get an idea of how your martial art skill is developing. I'm not anti-kata or anti-point sparring...but the purpose of both of those is to develop a specific aspect of one's art (muscle memory/balance & quickness/timing respectively). When those become the primary form the training takes, the art becomes incredibly ineffective and impractical.

6/27/13 9:18 AM
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People are constantly striving to find a magic in their life that will solve all their problems. Look at all the fat loss supplements. If one actually worked, do you think that there would be so many others that come and then disappear? 

No one wants to put in the work required. That is why 'masters' are sought out oftentimes. If you study an armbar with Rickson Gracie, then by logic, yours must be the purest most effective armbar, thereby limiting your need to learn to innovate, relentlessly practice, ie a shortcut to success. 

In essesence we are a society that isn't willing to put in work to reach the top, or gain knowledge. We don't read, we don't research, we don't do anything that requires something hard out of ourselves.


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