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6/19/13 10:36 PM
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Bofbro - Lets ask the Brazilian fans who they think the GOAT is.
Oh already been done, landslide for Fedor methinks.

Fedor has beat more UFC belt holders than anyone else, but he gets shit on because he's never fought in the UFC.

He gets shit on because he never fought anyone HOLDING the ufc belt. Phone Post

And Usain Bolt never won in the Special Olympics.

What's your point?
Wow, I never thought of it like that. What an intelligent and accurate comparison. The UFC is exactly like the special Olympics of MMA.

This ends the debate. Thanks so much for opening our eyes. Phone Post
6/19/13 10:39 PM
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Immaculata - He's an unbelievable fighter. I don't believe in GOATS because of how young the Sport is, but he's definitely one of the greats. He's a Legendary, HOF, Pioneer. Weidman better be ready.
There's no question as to wether Weidman will be ready, the question is will being ready be good enough.

Weidman seems to be the stylistic matchup that can beat Silva given what we have seen Sonnen Accomplish. I personally believe if Sonnen was able to stay focused and implement a plan following the first fight he still would have a good chance, why he Chose to start throwing spinning back fist against the best offense and defense striking in MMA is beyond me, it was just dumb.


Weidman is the better version of Sonnen, is it enough ?? I wouldn't bet against Silva but if you fight long enough no matter who you are you will eventually Lose. Phone Post 3.0
6/19/13 10:46 PM
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You guys argue this shit religiously. Honestly, who gives a fuck? AS is my favorite fighter and I can't say anything about Fedor because I really only got into MMA two years ago (watch the shitstorm I get for this). But why argue about this shit? Is it like either fighter I'd gonna come to your house and personally cut you a check because you defended them on an online forum?

No. Phone Post
6/19/13 11:22 PM
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_backfist - You guys argue this shit religiously. Honestly, who gives a fuck? AS is my favorite fighter and I can't say anything about Fedor because I really only got into MMA two years ago (watch the shitstorm I get for this). But why argue about this shit? Is it like either fighter I'd gonna come to your house and personally cut you a check because you defended them on an online forum?

No. Phone Post
Forums are really just a place for bickering like this.

The part that really bugs me about this debate is how keyboard warriors will shit all over very good MMA fighters for the sake of defending their favorites.

Both guys fought some less than top tier opponents. Phone Post
6/19/13 11:35 PM
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Tilla - Give it a rest, Joe.

Anderson fights the likes of Bonnar (who is B-Level) and because he lets him tee-off on him, and misses, he is Neo's clone... Zzzz.

Anderson, IMO, he's got the same syndrome as Mayweather. Fight once in a blue moon and fight pointless fights and moan about stuff...

Irvin? Bonnar? Griffin? Cote? Thales (however you pronounce it)? Daft fights.

When Andy is on HE'S ON, but he makes too many excuses... "He's my friend" etc.

You shouldn't fight @ 205 if you won't fight the best there. That's why I hope GSP never takes this fight.

Fedor, for me, is the greatest.

Humble, Tried to kill you, Finished fights, Didn't complain, Fought the two greatest HW's of his time (and beat them), He just got on with it!

Bones is great, but the dude IS a HW. Look at his fucking frame. Fedor was essentially a 185'er going against the best.

GSP is a better MMA'er than Anderson. He is more well rounded.

I've never seen the hype over Anderson.


Fedor faked a hand injury many times when Cro Cop was really fucking dangerous and they were about set a date for their match.

Fedor beat many freak shows and IMO his only great wins are:

1. Prime Nog 3 times
2. Prime Cro Cop
3. A 2004 juiced up the grill coming of a miracle KO of Cro Cop Kevin Randleman
4. A 5 fight winning streak Arlovski

which are 6 fights out of 40!

and Anderson's Great wins are:

1. Henderson
2. Belfort
3. Franklin x2
4. Sonnen x2

thats 6 fights out of 33

an no, if your not gonna count Sylvia, Coleman, Herring, Schilt, Fujita, Hunt or even Rogers who was top 10 at the time then Anderson doesnt get Sakurai, Nate, Horn, & Griffin.


How you could NOT count sakurai as a top win for Anderson is baffling.

#1 ww in the world at the time and most people's #1-2 p4p in the world as well. Phone Post

I was answering that poster with some sarcasm. if were gonna nit pick the very best wins and leave out others, THATS what it would look like. I think all the guys I mentioned are great wins for both.
6/19/13 11:45 PM
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Fedor is one of the GOATSs

GSP is one of the GOATs

Andy is thee GOAT

Jones could surpass him.
6/20/13 2:38 AM
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Yes. Anderson is the GOAT. This is a fact. Can we all shut the eff up now? Phone Post 3.0
6/20/13 2:44 AM
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Unwariestpickle - Lol at Fedor fans calling the competition that Silva faced Weak.

Zuluzinho
Choi Hong-man
Tsuyoshi Kohsaka

For Christs sake he fought a guy with an 0-1 record. Yuji Nagata look it up!

If you compare top 10 wins Silva has more. PERIOD. No debate.

voted up buddy. silvas the goat, but fedors a god
6/20/13 2:52 AM
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and its hostile up in here tonight. edit for spelling
6/20/13 2:53 AM
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"he definitely is. Anyone who is huge NBA fan will know Jordan was overrated and given tons of advantages. They changed the rules of the game for him and refs were always on his side."

While I respect he rest of your points, this one is laughable... Phone Post 3.0

Let's hear your rebuttal. You probably don't know shit about the NBA and Michael Jordan. If my argument is so laughable it should be easy for you to debate. Only an idiot says something like, "this one is laughable" without backing it up. Put up or shut up.
I probably don't know shit, other than watching pretty much every Bulls game from 1986 on til he retired. It's just funny to hear people say Jordan was overrated. Overrated how? And by whom? And changing the rules? If Jordan played in today's game where you can't even hand check he would average 50 per game.

I don't need to prove to you why it's laughable, any TRUE NBA fan would agree that it's laughable, saying Anderson Silva is like Jordan in the backhanded way you described. I would think a more apt comparison to Anderson from a different sport would be the oft mentioned Roy Jones Jr... But hey I don't know shit about Michael Jordan or the NBA! Phone Post 3.0
Oh and about the Ref thing, if you're such a "huge NBA fan", you obviously know its a superstar league and they all get the calls! MJ=huge star=benefit of great calls! Phone Post 3.0

nowdays I would agree. All stars are given benefits. In Jordan's day he was untouchable. He was above all others. No other stars were getting the calls Jordan was. And about changing the rules. Look it up. Its a fact.

And who said Jordan was overrated? Is this a serious question? A lot of people. You clearly aren't well informed on this subject.

"If Michael Jordan was here right now, I would say to him: When you are so great that the league tries to change the rules in attempt to stop you, then you can claim you are the best ever. Every rule change I have seen during your career has been meant to enhance your game"

- Wilt Chamberlain

"Without question, no hesitation, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was the best player I ever played against. Not just the best center, he was the best player, period. He was better than Magic, better than Larry, better than Michael."

- Bill Halton

"His (Jordan's) incredible athletic ability, charisma and leadership on the court helped to make basketball popular around the world - no question about that. But in terms of greatness MJ has to take a backseat to The Stilt."

- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

"Michael Jordan was a great player, but he won after Chicago got Pippen, Grant, and those other players to go along with him, because for a while they couldn't beat Detroit...The Media has now anointed Michael Jordan the greatest of all time? No, I don't think he is."

- Oscar Robertson


I could give many more examples. Is my argument so laughable now? You are so uninformed/misinformed. Go do some reading.

Larry Byrd was better than Jordan. Go check the stats of every game Byrd played against Jordan. It's obvious who the better player was.
Ok sure guy, I'll post all the quotes from hundreds of former players, coaches, and owners that say Jordan is the greatest.. Your argument is ridiculous. Larry "Byrd" is better then Michael Jordan in your book? Another laughable statement, and a statement that tells me I know longer need to argue this stupid point with you. Phone Post 3.0

You haven't even debated me. All you have done is pose a few questions. You act like you know everything and that and try to mock me, but you haven't refuted anything I have said or offered any counter points/ argument. Like I said earlier put up or shut up.

No mockery here my friend... Bring your talents south to the OG

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum_framed.posts&forum=2&thread=2190127&page=1&pc=25
But seriously, who the fuck is Bill Halton and Larry Byrd? What the hell would they know? Also... Wilt, Kareem and Oscar are known to be a bit bitter about modern basketball in general.


And yeah, Andy is Goat right now. Phone Post
6/20/13 4:01 AM
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anthonyshogun - Until he can dominate larger opponents like fedor did , he will always be number 2 IMO Phone Post 3.0

Fedor needs to fight Bigfoot again in the UFC again see how he handles the bigger man. Bums in Japan.... GSP is number 1 at ruining main events and getting boo'd. Silva clear number 1
6/20/13 6:12 AM
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Fedor was pretty fucking good. Seen many of his fights live and people think Im bashing him.

Fact of the matter is he crossed over to the US too freakin late. People got the wrong impression of him.

Part of the problem is the US heavyweights are all closer to the weight limit whereas in japan they were "smaller" thus more comfortable for Fedor.

The Rogers fight, although winning, showed alot of problems for him.

Fedor is undoubtedly a legend in japan and MMA. Just not in the US.
6/20/13 6:45 AM
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Silva is unbelievable. Simply awesome.
Some good points about Fedor, but the FACTS remain.

In his prime he crushed everyone. All the top fighters knew he was the best, and so did the fans. I recall even Joe Rogan stated as much.

Randy Couture LEFT the UFC as the CURRENT HW UFC Champ to try and fight him, and was taken to court by the UFC to stop the match.

Tim Silvia and Andrei Arlovski BOTH left the UFC to fight him (and BOTH got KTFO).

Minotouro is STILL in the top 10 all this time later, and Fedor CRUSHED him in his prime TWICE.

Silva will also lose soon (unless he retires, which I doubt) and you same weak minded fags will bag him as well.

Real fans know that both Fedor and Silva (and GSP) are living legends, and the greatest fighters of all time.

BUT if Silva was as good, he would be fighting at Heavyweight. Simple as that.

I'm proud to have experienced the full range of emotions relating to Fedor's career from:

- Who's this Russian dude? Comon...he can't beat Herring
- Who's this Fedor dude? Comon....he can't beat Minotouro
- Holy fuck....he's beating everyone! (for the next 8 years)
- Oh no, surely the UFC will pick him up (for the next 4 years)....FOR FUCKS SAKE...GET HIM IN THE UFC!
- Oh no, he IS human.
- Please Fedor, don't retire...

And now we have to put up with cunt sponges bagging him. No matter what happens, he will ALWAYS be regarded as the Greatest ever. You will never change that.

Run the pols dickheads. Your opinion won't change shit.

Neither will the revisionists.
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Silva highlights in the UFC...

Leben- big k.o. Hadn't been knocked out, is still very hard to knock out and was on a good win streak.

Franklin- big k.o's. Was the champ on a great streak.

Lutter- sub. Not a great fight for Silva but submitted a phenom BBJer.

Hendo- sub. Submitted someone who had only been submitted by the Nogs who massively outweigh him.

Irvin and Bonnar- k.o's. Went up and destroyed the bigger men in devastating fashion. Bonnar got trolled.

Forrest- the matrix k.o. Forrest had just lost the LHW belt
and got murdered.

Sonnen- possibly trolled twice. You cant say for certain but I'm sure people believe Silva trolled him in both fights. I think he did in the 2nd fight.

He annihilates his opponents in the most aesthetically pleasing ways. He is an absolute fucking legend!
6/20/13 9:05 AM
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Tilla - Give it a rest, Joe.

Anderson fights the likes of Bonnar (who is B-Level) and because he lets him tee-off on him, and misses, he is Neo's clone... Zzzz.

Anderson, IMO, he's got the same syndrome as Mayweather. Fight once in a blue moon and fight pointless fights and moan about stuff...

Irvin? Bonnar? Griffin? Cote? Thales (however you pronounce it)? Daft fights.

When Andy is on HE'S ON, but he makes too many excuses... "He's my friend" etc.

You shouldn't fight @ 205 if you won't fight the best there. That's why I hope GSP never takes this fight.

Fedor, for me, is the greatest.

Humble, Tried to kill you, Finished fights, Didn't complain, Fought the two greatest HW's of his time (and beat them), He just got on with it!

Bones is great, but the dude IS a HW. Look at his fucking frame. Fedor was essentially a 185'er going against the best.

GSP is a better MMA'er than Anderson. He is more well rounded.

I've never seen the hype over Anderson.

Wow epic fail. Phone Post 3.0
6/20/13 9:07 AM
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Ice Cold Igors Right Hand - Didn't Anderson himself say in an interview that Fedor would win if they fought? Phone Post 3.0
This. He called him and Penn the greatest. Phone Post 3.0
6/20/13 9:11 AM
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Again if the fought in Pride since they're around the same age. Who would of kicked who's ass? That ends the argument and it ends with Fedor respectively beating Anderon. To me that is who's better Phone Post 3.0
6/20/13 9:12 AM
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Mhorad - Silva is unbelievable. Simply awesome.
Some good points about Fedor, but the FACTS remain.

In his prime he crushed everyone. All the top fighters knew he was the best, and so did the fans. I recall even Joe Rogan stated as much.

Randy Couture LEFT the UFC as the CURRENT HW UFC Champ to try and fight him, and was taken to court by the UFC to stop the match.

Tim Silvia and Andrei Arlovski BOTH left the UFC to fight him (and BOTH got KTFO).

Minotouro is STILL in the top 10 all this time later, and Fedor CRUSHED him in his prime TWICE.

Silva will also lose soon (unless he retires, which I doubt) and you same weak minded fags will bag him as well.

Real fans know that both Fedor and Silva (and GSP) are living legends, and the greatest fighters of all time.

BUT if Silva was as good, he would be fighting at Heavyweight. Simple as that.

I'm proud to have experienced the full range of emotions relating to Fedor's career from:

- Who's this Russian dude? Comon...he can't beat Herring
- Who's this Fedor dude? Comon....he can't beat Minotouro
- Holy fuck....he's beating everyone! (for the next 8 years)
- Oh no, surely the UFC will pick him up (for the next 4 years)....FOR FUCKS SAKE...GET HIM IN THE UFC!
- Oh no, he IS human.
- Please Fedor, don't retire...

And now we have to put up with cunt sponges bagging him. No matter what happens, he will ALWAYS be regarded as the Greatest ever. You will never change that.

Run the pols dickheads. Your opinion won't change shit.

Neither will the revisionists.
You make some great points, but to say that a fighter who started his career at 167 needs to fight at HW to really be that good in your eyes is ridiculous.

Even currently, when he is in shape to fight, he is a ~200 pound fighter. Phone Post
6/20/13 9:13 AM
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JoeDavolasRoundhouseKick - Again if the fought in Pride since they're around the same age. Who would of kicked who's ass? That ends the argument and it ends with Fedor respectively beating Anderon. To me that is who's better Phone Post 3.0
In a GOAT discussion "who would have beat who" is not the be all end all.

Honestly, prime vs prime, there is no guarantee of who wins. Fedor might be the slight favorite, but I don't see either as a lock to win. Phone Post
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Trust me I an a fan of Fedor and would love to say that he is #1 but I can't. Anderson is unreal, Fedor did not tool and play with his opponents like that. He is an animal and his opponents looked like his toys to ko. Also he is almost 38. I know I will miss Anderson a lot more than Fedor. He is a special fighter. Phone Post
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JoeDavolasRoundhouseKick - Again if the fought in Pride since they're around the same age. Who would of kicked who's ass? That ends the argument and it ends with Fedor respectively beating Anderon. To me that is who's better Phone Post 3.0
In a GOAT discussion "who would have beat who" is not the be all end all.

Honestly, prime vs prime, there is no guarantee of who wins. Fedor might be the slight favorite, but I don't see either as a lock to win. Phone Post
He would punch and clutch him just like Nog and get him down and pride GnP him. Silva couldn't handle Chaels closing speed on takedowns, so now he's handling Fedor's. Anderson is a beast and when he's gone he'll get clowned by all the new fan breed and get disrespected and downplayed like Fedor. I mean the dude ruled the division where head can get knocked off at anytime for 10 yrs. Phone Post 3.0
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Mhorad - Silva is unbelievable. Simply awesome.
Some good points about Fedor, but the FACTS remain.

In his prime he crushed everyone. All the top fighters knew he was the best, and so did the fans. I recall even Joe Rogan stated as much.

Randy Couture LEFT the UFC as the CURRENT HW UFC Champ to try and fight him, and was taken to court by the UFC to stop the match.

Tim Silvia and Andrei Arlovski BOTH left the UFC to fight him (and BOTH got KTFO).

Minotouro is STILL in the top 10 all this time later, and Fedor CRUSHED him in his prime TWICE.

Silva will also lose soon (unless he retires, which I doubt) and you same weak minded fags will bag him as well.

Real fans know that both Fedor and Silva (and GSP) are living legends, and the greatest fighters of all time.

BUT if Silva was as good, he would be fighting at Heavyweight. Simple as that.

I'm proud to have experienced the full range of emotions relating to Fedor's career from:

- Who's this Russian dude? Comon...he can't beat Herring
- Who's this Fedor dude? Comon....he can't beat Minotouro
- Holy fuck....he's beating everyone! (for the next 8 years)
- Oh no, surely the UFC will pick him up (for the next 4 years)....FOR FUCKS SAKE...GET HIM IN THE UFC!
- Oh no, he IS human.
- Please Fedor, don't retire...

And now we have to put up with cunt sponges bagging him. No matter what happens, he will ALWAYS be regarded as the Greatest ever. You will never change that.

Run the pols dickheads. Your opinion won't change shit.

Neither will the revisionists.

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! You're funny, i like you.
That is unless you actually believe what you wrote here and you're just not troling...Then you're not so funny, or likeable.
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JoeDavolasRoundhouseKick - Again if the fought in Pride since they're around the same age. Who would of kicked who's ass? That ends the argument and it ends with Fedor respectively beating Anderon. To me that is who's better Phone Post 3.0
In a GOAT discussion "who would have beat who" is not the be all end all.

Honestly, prime vs prime, there is no guarantee of who wins. Fedor might be the slight favorite, but I don't see either as a lock to win. Phone Post
He would punch and clutch him just like Nog and get him down and pride GnP him. Silva couldn't handle Chaels closing speed on takedowns, so now he's handling Fedor's. Anderson is a beast and when he's gone he'll get clowned by all the new fan breed and get disrespected and downplayed like Fedor. I mean the dude ruled the division where head can get knocked off at anytime for 10 yrs. Phone Post 3.0
Mws move faster than hws. Fedors speed is only in comparison to hws. When he fought a smaller lhw/mw, he got KTFO, remember? Phone Post
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JoeDavolasRoundhouseKick - Again if the fought in Pride since they're around the same age. Who would of kicked who's ass? That ends the argument and it ends with Fedor respectively beating Anderon. To me that is who's better Phone Post 3.0
In a GOAT discussion "who would have beat who" is not the be all end all.

Honestly, prime vs prime, there is no guarantee of who wins. Fedor might be the slight favorite, but I don't see either as a lock to win. Phone Post
He would punch and clutch him just like Nog and get him down and pride GnP him. Silva couldn't handle Chaels closing speed on takedowns, so now he's handling Fedor's. Anderson is a beast and when he's gone he'll get clowned by all the new fan breed and get disrespected and downplayed like Fedor. I mean the dude ruled the division where head can get knocked off at anytime for 10 yrs. Phone Post 3.0
Mws move faster than hws. Fedors speed is only in comparison to hws. When he fought a smaller lhw/mw, he got KTFO, remember? Phone Post
Yes I remember but he was deteriorating years before that. Look at his physique in Rings and early Pride he had cat speed and was built like a bull. Phone Post 3.0

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