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BloodyElbow's Dallas Winston conducted a terrific interview with (sort of) retired welterweight Nick Diaz on the currrent state of MMA judging.

"It's all geared toward this certain scoring criteria that's really ass-backwards," said Diaz.

"Spastic movements are made on account of a lack of technical aspects, so some fighters try to make up for this lacking technical aspect with some sort of frantic, spastic movement. And they're awarding points for more of that stuff. They spazz out, all over the f@$%ing place. And, all of a sudden, at the end of the fight, you realize ... Hector Lombard lost [to Tim Boetsch]? What the f@$% is that? He landed all the clean shots and stood his ground. That dude had to bounce around and move around all over the place. Frantically!"

"When I fought Sean Sherk, he threw punches in the air and moved around a little more than I did. He threw combinations that weren't even landing or doing any damage. [MMA judges] don't know what they're doing out there, and I've proven it. I've f@$%ing proven it, over and over again."

However, Diaz does not plan to immediately address the issue. Diaz's attorney Jonathan Tweedale explains.

"It makes no sense as a promotion that hasn't even had an event to go to the commission and say 'we think we have an idea here that will improve the sport' and request to use different scoring criteria," said Tweedale. "It would be presumptuous, and almost disrespectful, to approach the CSAC at this stage. Instead, we'd like to build credibility with the commission and establish a good track record first."

"Referees are good enough right now so that, if you're just holding your opponent down and not trying to advance position, inflict damage with heavy strikes or attempt submissions, they're going to stand it up. But when you introduce elbows on the ground, it doesn't take much for the referee to deem that as sufficient enough to let them keep going."

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So what do you think UG? How bad a problem is judging in MMA? And what is the solution?


6/22/13 10:03 PM
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My main problem with this whole thing is... the fact that you felt the need to mask the word ass. :P
6/22/13 10:07 PM
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Yep.
6/22/13 10:10 PM
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I would think developing better footwork is easier than successfully suing athletic commissions. Phone Post
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Enemies - My main problem with this whole thing is... the fact that you felt the need to mask the word ass. :P
Haha, was thinking the same thing. Phone Post
6/22/13 10:21 PM
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He must hate his teammate shields Phone Post 3.0
6/22/13 10:30 PM
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He has a point, but I like elbows on the ground, makes it more realistic Phone Post 3.0
6/22/13 10:31 PM
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It is far more likely that the UFC will change their ruleset to something more like what war is using before nsac or csac changes their judges or refs.

I see neither happening any time soon, especially now that it would be zuffa following a nick Diaz idea or the ac's following nick Diaz.

Dana is right in the end. It all comes down to egos. Phone Post 3.0
6/22/13 10:36 PM
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OnlyTheStrongSurvive - I would think developing better footwork is easier than successfully suing athletic commissions. Phone Post
The best footwork in the world is useless against an opponent not willing to engage with a corner-less cage and rules that reward holding and insignificant strikes to work to his advantage. Phone Post 3.0
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OnlyTheStrongSurvive - I would think developing better footwork is easier than successfully suing athletic commissions. Phone Post
But it's all the commissions fault man. Nick and his approach are not to blame. Phone Post 3.0
6/22/13 10:39 PM
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OnlyTheStrongSurvive - I would think developing better footwork is easier than successfully suing athletic commissions. Phone Post
The best footwork in the world is useless against an opponent not willing to engage with a corner-less cage and rules that reward holding and insignificant strikes to work to his advantage. Phone Post 3.0
If you think footwork didn't hurt him in the Condit fight. You are delusional. Even if you want to argue he won the fight his lack of footwork allowed the judges to give Carlos the nod. Phone Post 3.0
6/22/13 10:43 PM
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OnlyTheStrongSurvive - I would think developing better footwork is easier than successfully suing athletic commissions. Phone Post
The best footwork in the world is useless against an opponent not willing to engage with a corner-less cage and rules that reward holding and insignificant strikes to work to his advantage. Phone Post 3.0
Lets just change all the rules specifically for Nick Diaz's style. That would be the most fair thing to do. Phone Post
6/22/13 10:46 PM
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Still got to go through athletic commissions which is the real obstacle. Phone Post 3.0
6/22/13 10:51 PM
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OnlyTheStrongSurvive - I would think developing better footwork is easier than successfully suing athletic commissions. Phone Post
The best footwork in the world is useless against an opponent not willing to engage with a corner-less cage and rules that reward holding and insignificant strikes to work to his advantage. Phone Post 3.0
If you think footwork didn't hurt him in the Condit fight. You are delusional. Even if you want to argue he won the fight his lack of footwork allowed the judges to give Carlos the nod. Phone Post 3.0
Give me an example of a fighter who's footwork could have stopped Condit from retreating on that football field we call an octagon. He was dead set on a hit-and-run gameplan. Anderson Silva himself couldn't have pinned the tail on that donkey.

Not saying Nick was perfect and Condit did 'nothing' but run, but Nicks footwork, or lack thereof, isn't entirely to blame for that dud of a fight. Phone Post 3.0
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OnlyTheStrongSurvive - I would think developing better footwork is easier than successfully suing athletic commissions. Phone Post
The best footwork in the world is useless against an opponent not willing to engage with a corner-less cage and rules that reward holding and insignificant strikes to work to his advantage. Phone Post 3.0
If you think footwork didn't hurt him in the Condit fight. You are delusional. Even if you want to argue he won the fight his lack of footwork allowed the judges to give Carlos the nod. Phone Post 3.0
The period placement leaves me confused what you're tryin to say here Phone Post 3.0
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OnlyTheStrongSurvive - I would think developing better footwork is easier than successfully suing athletic commissions. Phone Post
The best footwork in the world is useless against an opponent not willing to engage with a corner-less cage and rules that reward holding and insignificant strikes to work to his advantage. Phone Post 3.0
Lets just change all the rules specifically for Nick Diaz's style. That would be the most fair thing to do. Phone Post
Why not? The current rules are geared toward guys like GSP and their style...why not gear them towards Nicks style so people won't bitch about boring fights so much. Phone Post 3.0
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OnlyTheStrongSurvive - I would think developing better footwork is easier than successfully suing athletic commissions. Phone Post
The best footwork in the world is useless against an opponent not willing to engage with a corner-less cage and rules that reward holding and insignificant strikes to work to his advantage. Phone Post 3.0
If you think footwork didn't hurt him in the Condit fight. You are delusional. Even if you want to argue he won the fight his lack of footwork allowed the judges to give Carlos the nod. Phone Post 3.0
Give me an example of a fighter who's footwork could have stopped Condit from retreating on that football field we call an octagon. He was dead set on a hit-and-run gameplan. Anderson Silva himself couldn't have pinned the tail on that donkey.

Not saying Nick was perfect and Condit did 'nothing' but run, but Nicks footwork, or lack thereof, isn't entirely to blame for that dud of a fight. Phone Post 3.0
Lol GSP and Hendricks cut Condit off consistently. You might see the outside leg kick and circle away from cage in every fight if it was an unstoppable strategy. Phone Post
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OnlyTheStrongSurvive - I would think developing better footwork is easier than successfully suing athletic commissions. Phone Post
The best footwork in the world is useless against an opponent not willing to engage with a corner-less cage and rules that reward holding and insignificant strikes to work to his advantage. Phone Post 3.0
Lets just change all the rules specifically for Nick Diaz's style. That would be the most fair thing to do. Phone Post
Why not? The current rules are geared toward guys like GSP and their style...why not gear them towards Nicks style so people won't bitch about boring fights so much. Phone Post 3.0
LOL Phone Post
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OnlyTheStrongSurvive - I would think developing better footwork is easier than successfully suing athletic commissions. Phone Post
The best footwork in the world is useless against an opponent not willing to engage with a corner-less cage and rules that reward holding and insignificant strikes to work to his advantage. Phone Post 3.0
If you think footwork didn't hurt him in the Condit fight. You are delusional. Even if you want to argue he won the fight his lack of footwork allowed the judges to give Carlos the nod. Phone Post 3.0
Give me an example of a fighter who's footwork could have stopped Condit from retreating on that football field we call an octagon. He was dead set on a hit-and-run gameplan. Anderson Silva himself couldn't have pinned the tail on that donkey.

Not saying Nick was perfect and Condit did 'nothing' but run, but Nicks footwork, or lack thereof, isn't entirely to blame for that dud of a fight. Phone Post 3.0
Lol GSP and Hendricks cut Condit off consistently. You might see the outside leg kick and circle away from cage in every fight if it was an unstoppable strategy. Phone Post
Thanks beat me to it. Phone Post 3.0
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Fair enough. Good thing Nick retired so you guys don't have to deal with an unadaptable, old school guy like him! Phone Post 3.0
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GSPushedInMyStinkEye - Fair enough. Good thing Nick retired so you guys don't have to deal with an unadaptable, old school guy like him! Phone Post 3.0
I enjoy watching him fight actually. A lot. Just not the complaining. I don't want him to stay retired. Phone Post
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The complaining is overblown IMO. outside of pre and post fight interviews, we rarely here a peep out of him. Phone Post 3.0
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Never liked diaz in ring bullshit but if he and his crew manages to improve mma judging it would awesome as fuck Phone Post
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<blockquote>OnlyTheStrongSurvive - <blockquote>GSPushedInMyStinkEye - <blockquote>Jaybrone - <blockquote>GSPushedInMyStinkEye - <blockquote>OnlyTheStrongSurvive - I would think developing better footwork is easier than successfully suing athletic commissions. <img src="/images/phone/droid.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/></blockquote>The best footwork in the world is useless against an opponent not willing to engage with a corner-less cage and rules that reward holding and insignificant strikes to work to his advantage. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/></blockquote>If you think footwork didn't hurt him in the Condit fight. You are delusional. Even if you want to argue he won the fight his lack of footwork allowed the judges to give Carlos the nod. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/></blockquote>Give me an example of a fighter who's footwork could have stopped Condit from retreating on that football field we call an octagon. He was dead set on a hit-and-run gameplan. Anderson Silva himself couldn't have pinned the tail on that donkey. <br><br>Not saying Nick was perfect and Condit did 'nothing' but run, but Nicks footwork, or lack thereof, isn't entirely to blame for that dud of a fight. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/></blockquote>

Lol GSP and Hendricks cut Condit off consistently. You might see the outside leg kick and circle away from cage in every fight if it was an unstoppable strategy. <img src="/images/phone/droid.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


Except Nick never lost that fight against Condit. The only clear loser in that fight was the fans. Both fighters didn't do enough to decisively get the W IMO.
As for GSP I was there live. Both fighters looked like crap and I saw GSP pop Nick clean with many jabs, instead of capitalizing on it he wrapped his arms around him and dragged him to the mat and proceeded to not do much of anything
I never saw any cutting off at all.
6/22/13 11:44 PM
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^you should probavly stop going to fights then. Gsp put struck Diaz sonething like 28-1 in the second round. Phone Post 3.0

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