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6/26/13 8:03 PM
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God I love these threads... An opportunity for the sociopathic 'fans' to express how little they care for the blood sweat and tears shed by what they say to be their heroes.

As someone who used to be called a UFC shill with abandon on here, the lengths folks will go to back the Fertita's pocketing millions why fighters can barely pay for expenses... Is sickening to the core.

No fighters - no UFC.


Thread should be closed after this.

Based on many of these threads either people a. trolling. b. paid zuffa posters or C. Are so miserable in their own lives heaven forbid someone make more money than them.

I can't believe the so called fans on this site crucifying a man that is a professional mma fighter who wants to be paid more to support his family. How dare him.

The bottom line is zuffa and even dana are swimming in money based of the blood sweat and tears (not to mention brain cells) of these fighters. They just need to spread the love a little more. When the president of the company has enough money to blow 200k in gambling in a single night than there is something wrong with this picture.
Man I love posts like Filo. All 3 of your option essentially say if you don't agree with me you're an idiot.

Couldn't there be a fourth option where we just have a differing opinion? Is yours the only one that's right? I mean I fully support your ability to state yours and don't belittle it, so why do that to others? Phone Post 3.0
6/26/13 8:07 PM
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God I love these threads... An opportunity for the sociopathic 'fans' to express how little they care for the blood sweat and tears shed by what they say to be their heroes.

As someone who used to be called a UFC shill with abandon on here, the lengths folks will go to back the Fertita's pocketing millions why fighters can barely pay for expenses... Is sickening to the core.

No fighters - no UFC.


Thread should be closed after this.

Based on many of these threads either people a. trolling. b. paid zuffa posters or C. Are so miserable in their own lives heaven forbid someone make more money than them.

I can't believe the so called fans on this site crucifying a man that is a professional mma fighter who wants to be paid more to support his family. How dare him.

The bottom line is zuffa and even dana are swimming in money based of the blood sweat and tears (not to mention brain cells) of these fighters. They just need to spread the love a little more. When the president of the company has enough money to blow 200k in gambling in a single night than there is something wrong with this picture.

Yeah and I think putting aside all the "Independant contractor" and no union stuff this is the bottom line

 

No Tennis players - No ATP

No Golfers - No PGA

No Fighters - No UFC

 

All situations where a company or group of related companies is making gangbusters off of a product that requires expensive training and sometimes in a dire situation will come to a point where, no matter how at odds each athlete is with the other, the conditions become the bigger fight.

Why not avoid the cliché and take a hit short-term to smooth out the long-term?

6/26/13 8:12 PM
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God I love these threads... An opportunity for the sociopathic 'fans' to express how little they care for the blood sweat and tears shed by what they say to be their heroes.

As someone who used to be called a UFC shill with abandon on here, the lengths folks will go to back the Fertita's pocketing millions why fighters can barely pay for expenses... Is sickening to the core.

No fighters - no UFC.


Thread should be closed after this.

Based on many of these threads either people a. trolling. b. paid zuffa posters or C. Are so miserable in their own lives heaven forbid someone make more money than them.

I can't believe the so called fans on this site crucifying a man that is a professional mma fighter who wants to be paid more to support his family. How dare him.

The bottom line is zuffa and even dana are swimming in money based of the blood sweat and tears (not to mention brain cells) of these fighters. They just need to spread the love a little more. When the president of the company has enough money to blow 200k in gambling in a single night than there is something wrong with this picture.

I just don't get it.

Like, the Fertita's aren't going to come down and thank you for your dedication you dopey tards. They are going to chortle all the way to the bank while the fighters, more and more fighters, will retire with very little.

I suppose the NFL style use and abuse is what gets fans off? Is that what I'm lead to belive with the legion of simpletons telling us how wicked fighters have it??

Again. I don't get it. Treat the fighters like your friends and family. Treat them like your training partners. Treat them like people you have respect for, not tools that are whittled away at the whim of mega wealthy casino owners. If you're THAT much of a fan, you will support the true heroes of the sport - the fighters, not the wealthy businessmen looking to cash in on the latest sporting fad.

 

6/26/13 8:34 PM
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God I love these threads... An opportunity for the sociopathic 'fans' to express how little they care for the blood sweat and tears shed by what they say to be their heroes.

As someone who used to be called a UFC shill with abandon on here, the lengths folks will go to back the Fertita's pocketing millions why fighters can barely pay for expenses... Is sickening to the core.

No fighters - no UFC.


Thread should be closed after this.

Based on many of these threads either people a. trolling. b. paid zuffa posters or C. Are so miserable in their own lives heaven forbid someone make more money than them.

I can't believe the so called fans on this site crucifying a man that is a professional mma fighter who wants to be paid more to support his family. How dare him.

The bottom line is zuffa and even dana are swimming in money based of the blood sweat and tears (not to mention brain cells) of these fighters. They just need to spread the love a little more. When the president of the company has enough money to blow 200k in gambling in a single night than there is something wrong with this picture.

I just don't get it.

Like, the Fertita's aren't going to come down and thank you for your dedication you dopey tards. They are going to chortle all the way to the bank while the fighters, more and more fighters, will retire with very little.

I suppose the NFL style use and abuse is what gets fans off? Is that what I'm lead to belive with the legion of simpletons telling us how wicked fighters have it??

Again. I don't get it. Treat the fighters like your friends and family. Treat them like your training partners. Treat them like people you have respect for, not tools that are whittled away at the whim of mega wealthy casino owners. If you're THAT much of a fan, you will support the true heroes of the sport - the fighters, not the wealthy businessmen looking to cash in on the latest sporting fad.

 


Given the high turnover rate & the parity across almost every division what do you propose they do? You can't guarantee contracts to fighters who aren't draws and are only 1-2 fights away from the smaller promotions. If Zuffa tried to treat their roster like family they would make no money & up and coming talent would hardly get through the door.

You have to win in the UFC to advance your pay. And if you win fights in exciting fashion you can become a draw & make more. Yes it is a cutthroat business, but if you don't acknowledge that before you get in then you are stupid.

MMA & combat sports in general are extremely risky. You have the potential of long-term head injury greatly diminishing quality of life, you have wear & tear tearing apart knees, backs, etc., and then you have the fact that most likely you'll end up broke. If you think you can make money in MMA then you had better be really good, you had better win fights, and in Kennedy's case, both Luke Rockhold and Jacare beat him in title fights.

I get that a lot of fighters get the shaft, and as a fan it's kind of appalling to know that BLAF spends his free time gambling away massive amounts of money while some guys can't pay the bills, but it's the fighters who are going to have to change shit, not Zuffa. Rather than attacking Zuffa what about attacking the likes of Randy Couture, who loves to complain about pay also, and why he's not out there trying to garner support for a union? The fighters will have to come together to make any changes, all Zuffa is doing right now is making them earn it & providing opportunity.
6/26/13 9:00 PM
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I don't know what the guys annual salary is bit its clearly more than a grocery clerk or garbage man.

Sorry but an mma figher doing math (except maybe carwin) must be like us using mma math logic.


He says:

Kennedy broke down his pay:
He said his show money for UFC 162 was $55,000, but that he would only clear around $20,000 before taxes, citing the following costs:
13% on gym fees
12% for nutrition
10% to his manager
10% to his coach
8% on his camp lodging
3% for fight medicals
3% on equipment
TOTAL 59%

1. Eight or so moths ago I recall and article where AKA were doing a straight 5% cut on coaching and use of the gym etc... so there is
-18% saved straight away. (His gym cannot ne that much better?)


2. The UFC cover accommodation and flights for a fighter and a corner I think 2, but we'll go with 1 to be safe. So he either has a possie of 10 in a hotel or something or he puts his other corner man up in a $5k room per night at 8%? I say realistically 1-2% at BEST (more than $500-900? )
-7%


3. Nutrition at 12%? Its called eating. All humans do it. You might hire a nutritionist usually 6 weeks out from a fight at best. Anymore than that you essentially have a chef on staff like a GSP. So you need to be making millions to have your own chef its common sense. Either way 12% seems high. I'm betting Dolce could do a 6 week plan for less than that! I'm not going to devalue something I'm not experienced in purchasing so I'll leave that one at a comment.

4. Fight medials and equipment 6%. These are called essentials! To the everyday person thats health insurance and a business suit with different colored shirts and ties. Some thinhs in lige you have to buy to work. The garbage man probably goes through 10 pairs of sneakers a year and 20 white tshirts under his uniform I dunno? It's an essential part of the job. Just like your manager. So putting that on the list is like the average joe complaining about paying taxes as well as having to buy business shoes to match his suit instead of just wearing his sneakers. Some things you have to do.

So according to my estimate he is either exaggerating by 25% at a MINIMUM or I have saved him that just by keeping up with the facts within the business. Thats something he and his management would do far better than me. So I would suggest he start looking at reducing his claims/costs a bit before making lists. He's earning way more than entry level guys. And his 3 fights @55k still = 165k - 25% (tax deductible mind you) less tax.

thats way better than any grocery clerk I know of!

I don't mind him wanting more pay thats great good luck to him. But trying to bitch and compare himself to the average Joes pay grade that pisses me off because thats throwing normal blue collar people's jobs as examples to his pay scale when its simply not true.

If any entry level fighter made the comparison might listen but a 55k for SHOW PLUS SPONSORS AND WINS AND ANY OTHER BONUS
Stop your bitching and man up.


Just my humble opinion =) Phone Post
6/26/13 9:05 PM
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its obviously been awhile since TK has worked a crappy labor or service job.
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Ok chillitaco now do that with cholishes pay.
6/26/13 9:16 PM
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Th3Rooster - its obviously been awhile since TK has worked a crappy labor or service job.
Exactly that's my only point. It's not that I think they are overpayed or underplayed. In fact good luck I I hope they all get more pay. But its the fact he is trying to convince us that he is as badly done by as the average joe. And he just casually throws jobs out there under the bus as though he could get any old job and it will pay more.

He is not my average joe pay grade thats my point that he lied try and make it look that way. Phone Post
6/26/13 9:20 PM
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God I love these threads... An opportunity for the sociopathic 'fans' to express how little they care for the blood sweat and tears shed by what they say to be their heroes.

As someone who used to be called a UFC shill with abandon on here, the lengths folks will go to back the Fertita's pocketing millions why fighters can barely pay for expenses... Is sickening to the core.

No fighters - no UFC.


Thread should be closed after this.

Based on many of these threads either people a. trolling. b. paid zuffa posters or C. Are so miserable in their own lives heaven forbid someone make more money than them.

I can't believe the so called fans on this site crucifying a man that is a professional mma fighter who wants to be paid more to support his family. How dare him.

The bottom line is zuffa and even dana are swimming in money based of the blood sweat and tears (not to mention brain cells) of these fighters. They just need to spread the love a little more. When the president of the company has enough money to blow 200k in gambling in a single night than there is something wrong with this picture.
Man I love posts like Filo. All 3 of your option essentially say if you don't agree with me you're an idiot.

Couldn't there be a fourth option where we just have a differing opinion? Is yours the only one that's right? I mean I fully support your ability to state yours and don't belittle it, so why do that to others? Phone Post 3.0

When your opinion is in the defense of Billionaires and millionaires to keep higher profits margins over the fighters I pay to see then your opinion is pretty null and void. But go ahead state you nonsensical opinion.
6/26/13 9:24 PM
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God I love these threads... An opportunity for the sociopathic 'fans' to express how little they care for the blood sweat and tears shed by what they say to be their heroes.

As someone who used to be called a UFC shill with abandon on here, the lengths folks will go to back the Fertita's pocketing millions why fighters can barely pay for expenses... Is sickening to the core.

No fighters - no UFC.


Thread should be closed after this.

Based on many of these threads either people a. trolling. b. paid zuffa posters or C. Are so miserable in their own lives heaven forbid someone make more money than them.

I can't believe the so called fans on this site crucifying a man that is a professional mma fighter who wants to be paid more to support his family. How dare him.

The bottom line is zuffa and even dana are swimming in money based of the blood sweat and tears (not to mention brain cells) of these fighters. They just need to spread the love a little more. When the president of the company has enough money to blow 200k in gambling in a single night than there is something wrong with this picture.

I just don't get it.

Like, the Fertita's aren't going to come down and thank you for your dedication you dopey tards. They are going to chortle all the way to the bank while the fighters, more and more fighters, will retire with very little.

I suppose the NFL style use and abuse is what gets fans off? Is that what I'm lead to belive with the legion of simpletons telling us how wicked fighters have it??

Again. I don't get it. Treat the fighters like your friends and family. Treat them like your training partners. Treat them like people you have respect for, not tools that are whittled away at the whim of mega wealthy casino owners. If you're THAT much of a fan, you will support the true heroes of the sport - the fighters, not the wealthy businessmen looking to cash in on the latest sporting fad.

 


Given the high turnover rate & the parity across almost every division what do you propose they do? You can't guarantee contracts to fighters who aren't draws and are only 1-2 fights away from the smaller promotions. If Zuffa tried to treat their roster like family they would make no money & up and coming talent would hardly get through the door.

You have to win in the UFC to advance your pay. And if you win fights in exciting fashion you can become a draw & make more. Yes it is a cutthroat business, but if you don't acknowledge that before you get in then you are stupid.

MMA & combat sports in general are extremely risky. You have the potential of long-term head injury greatly diminishing quality of life, you have wear & tear tearing apart knees, backs, etc., and then you have the fact that most likely you'll end up broke. If you think you can make money in MMA then you had better be really good, you had better win fights, and in Kennedy's case, both Luke Rockhold and Jacare beat him in title fights.

I get that a lot of fighters get the shaft, and as a fan it's kind of appalling to know that BLAF spends his free time gambling away massive amounts of money while some guys can't pay the bills, but it's the fighters who are going to have to change shit, not Zuffa. Rather than attacking Zuffa what about attacking the likes of Randy Couture, who loves to complain about pay also, and why he's not out there trying to garner support for a union? The fighters will have to come together to make any changes, all Zuffa is doing right now is making them earn it & providing opportunity.
Great post. I agree a union is the best solution. They could set a minimum entry into the 'big show' above the 6/6 or 12/12 or whatever it is now and put in place a few minimum safety nets for fighters. Like they can't get cut after 1 loss or something like that so it gives them a chance to try and be different if they aren't usually great finishers etc.... its exactly what they need. Even blaf has said he doesn't care if they do because he has to deal with someone all the time anyhow. (Meaning management) and with the culinary union as they are the perfect time to make one in the ufc and get whatever they want is basically now! (The Fertittas won't want to seem anti union in any way) Phone Post
6/26/13 9:31 PM
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I could totally understand if Zuffa was under the pump... If we were in an industry struggling eg manufacturing - but we aren't. It's not SEG in the UFC 20-30 era here... A select few are making HUGE amounts of cash at the physical expense of the people entertaining the fans.

Don't fantasize about a modern day Django Unchained with the Fertita's playing the part of DiCaprio. Break the paradigm. Reward the true heroes.

 

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God I love these threads... An opportunity for the sociopathic 'fans' to express how little they care for the blood sweat and tears shed by what they say to be their heroes.

As someone who used to be called a UFC shill with abandon on here, the lengths folks will go to back the Fertita's pocketing millions why fighters can barely pay for expenses... Is sickening to the core.

No fighters - no UFC.


Thread should be closed after this.

Based on many of these threads either people a. trolling. b. paid zuffa posters or C. Are so miserable in their own lives heaven forbid someone make more money than them.

I can't believe the so called fans on this site crucifying a man that is a professional mma fighter who wants to be paid more to support his family. How dare him.

The bottom line is zuffa and even dana are swimming in money based of the blood sweat and tears (not to mention brain cells) of these fighters. They just need to spread the love a little more. When the president of the company has enough money to blow 200k in gambling in a single night than there is something wrong with this picture.

I just don't get it.

Like, the Fertita's aren't going to come down and thank you for your dedication you dopey tards. They are going to chortle all the way to the bank while the fighters, more and more fighters, will retire with very little.

I suppose the NFL style use and abuse is what gets fans off? Is that what I'm lead to belive with the legion of simpletons telling us how wicked fighters have it??

Again. I don't get it. Treat the fighters like your friends and family. Treat them like your training partners. Treat them like people you have respect for, not tools that are whittled away at the whim of mega wealthy casino owners. If you're THAT much of a fan, you will support the true heroes of the sport - the fighters, not the wealthy businessmen looking to cash in on the latest sporting fad.

 


Given the high turnover rate & the parity across almost every division what do you propose they do? You can't guarantee contracts to fighters who aren't draws and are only 1-2 fights away from the smaller promotions. If Zuffa tried to treat their roster like family they would make no money & up and coming talent would hardly get through the door.

You have to win in the UFC to advance your pay. And if you win fights in exciting fashion you can become a draw & make more. Yes it is a cutthroat business, but if you don't acknowledge that before you get in then you are stupid.

MMA & combat sports in general are extremely risky. You have the potential of long-term head injury greatly diminishing quality of life, you have wear & tear tearing apart knees, backs, etc., and then you have the fact that most likely you'll end up broke. If you think you can make money in MMA then you had better be really good, you had better win fights, and in Kennedy's case, both Luke Rockhold and Jacare beat him in title fights.

I get that a lot of fighters get the shaft, and as a fan it's kind of appalling to know that BLAF spends his free time gambling away massive amounts of money while some guys can't pay the bills, but it's the fighters who are going to have to change shit, not Zuffa. Rather than attacking Zuffa what about attacking the likes of Randy Couture, who loves to complain about pay also, and why he's not out there trying to garner support for a union? The fighters will have to come together to make any changes, all Zuffa is doing right now is making them earn it & providing opportunity.
Great post. I agree a union is the best solution. They could set a minimum entry into the 'big show' above the 6/6 or 12/12 or whatever it is now and put in place a few minimum safety nets for fighters. Like they can't get cut after 1 loss or something like that so it gives them a chance to try and be different if they aren't usually great finishers etc.... its exactly what they need. Even blaf has said he doesn't care if they do because he has to deal with someone all the time anyhow. (Meaning management) and with the culinary union as they are the perfect time to make one in the ufc and get whatever they want is basically now! (The Fertittas won't want to seem anti union in any way) Phone Post

And also, if there were a UFC fighter's union/association it would be a death knell to any real serious domestic or international competition. You're never going to have an MMA-wide union, there isn't enough money there to make it happen & the fighters paying out their dues aren't going to want to cover a bunch of guys who they don't feel are good enough to ever put money back in the pot. Bellator certaintly afford to participate in anything like that, nor would they try. A union in the UFC pretty much clears the final hurdle on their way to global dominance, I mean really don't think Zuffa would fight that hard against it.

The only thing is that you can't expect an NBA/MLB type percentage share, it's unrealistic, because the big sports organizations don't have to produce anything themselves, they actually get paid completely obscence, almost unfathomable amounts of money to let other networks do just about everything else for them. I don't know much about other sports, but in MLB I know they basically just sit there all day and print money, and neither MMA as a sport nor the UFC brand are anywhere near that scale.
6/26/13 11:13 PM
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I couldn't possibly agree more with a fighter's union. It's just a shame the word 'union' has been demonized to the extent it has in the States.

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Sounds like you do care.

Nerd. Phone Post 3.0

Sounds like you might be retarded....
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Porkchop - MMA does pay shitty. It's not like other MMA orgs pay more than the UFC.

If you aren't in it for the glory and you are just in it for money, you are fighting for the wrong reasons.

LOL.  This is professional prize fighting.  If you AREN'T in it for the money, you are in it for the wrong reasons.


Wrong. There are lots of other jobs you can make far more money at, much more easily. If you don't like this job, and you're doing it for years, you're a fool.

This. Macedawgg is way off base.

You have to be realistic. Not everyone is going to clean up with pay.

And mark my words, when these guys do all start to become rich, MMA will go the way of boxing and fall apart. The low pay system is all that is keeping MMA functioning right now. Desperate fighters and guys who can do it for almost no pay are what this sport needs to stay the way it is.

Start paying guys crazy money and the UFC will fall apart and we wont see the best vs the best anymore.

" Start paying guys crazy money and the UFC will fall apart and we wont see the best vs the best anymore."


Exactly, Porkchop, great point! Same reason I hope MLB, NFL, NBA and the NHL never get to the point where they have minimum salaries in the $1,000,000 range... they'll all fall apart. We'll no longer see the best vs. the best.

Gone will be the days of seeing world class athletes like Lebron James, A-Rod and RG III facing off against Kobe Bryant, Justin Verlander and DeMarcus Ware.

It's a well known fact in any industry, the more you pay people, the more attractive you make the job, the most qualified... the best of the best.. those people will immediately lose interest and seek a job offering less pay and more modest benefits.

I don't know if you are currently employed but if not, I'd suggest sending a resume directly to the POTUS and see about getting in on turning the economy around. I bet you have some awesome ideas on turning the economy around.

Why do some people think that fighting is comparable to team sports or any sport that isn't a combat sport?

You want to see what will happen? Look at boxing.

Wanna see Mayweather and Pacquiao fight in their primes? Too late. Didn't happen and that fight might never happen.

Know why? They are rich as fuck and have giant brand names to look out for. They aren't fighters as much as they are CEO's.

You need to stop talking this shit about team sports, it's a waste of everyone's time.
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Porkchop - MMA does pay shitty. It's not like other MMA orgs pay more than the UFC.

If you aren't in it for the glory and you are just in it for money, you are fighting for the wrong reasons.

LOL.  This is professional prize fighting.  If you AREN'T in it for the money, you are in it for the wrong reasons.

Correct.

You are driven to do it because you are good at it or at least better than others.

But it's about money.

Here is a hypothetical situation for any fighter.

1. You can be champ of any UFC weight division.

You will beat anyone.

You will be P4P the best.

Your pay will not be enough to retire on and set your family up for life.

Or.

2. You are not the champ.

You get enough money to retire and set up your children for education and potential success.

Only a fool would choose the belt over financial security.

It's prize fighting and the belt represents the best but the prize being fought over is money and the only reason you want to be champ is because being the best typically ensures you are paid commensurate to that position.

It's the UFC.

It ain't UNICEF.

No one is here for altruistic reasons. Phone Post

You are missing my point.

There is nothing altruistic about fighting for glory and respect. I never said there was.

If you want to make a nice living, don't be an MMA fighter where you pay back 59% of your paycheck to make your next paycheck.

If you want to be the baddest man on the planet.... then fight in MMA.

All you accomplish by calling people who care more about being the best than the money fools is insulting the people who built this sport with blood sweat and tears.

All your MMA heros from the early days of MMA made sweet fuck all and they cared about being the best because of what it meant to them - not their bank accounts.

So if you want to call them fools, that is your choice. But I call those people pioneers and true fighters who fought for the right reasons.
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Elvis -  Man if he's paying out 59% of his earnings his problem isn't his pay but his money management.

I understand why fighters want more money, that's normal. What I don't understand is why they complain about 'ufc' pay when the ufc pays more than anyone else and the residual earnings from being a ufc star is far greater than any other org. Look what Forest did... used his smarts and wrote some books at the peak of his fighting career. Randy and Rampage got their movie opportunities from their exposure in the ufc. Phone Post

6/27/13 12:32 AM
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Porkchop - MMA does pay shitty. It's not like other MMA orgs pay more than the UFC.

If you aren't in it for the glory and you are just in it for money, you are fighting for the wrong reasons.


Uhhh... wtf are you talking about?

Are pro fighters supposed to be missionaries or charity workers or something? Are there people who are actually this dumb?

The UFC is killing the pig right now and the vast majority of its fighters aren't reaping the benefits. They refuse to unionize; they prefer having this "locker room bonus" setup where they come off looking generous but have the worst pay ratio in US-based pro sports.

Kennedy is courageous to speak out about it. Good for him. Phone Post



You aren't seeing the big picture shithead.

If you want to be a fighter, that's fine. If you are the best in the world, then you should be compensated with big time money.

The MMA business model doesn't work when all the fighters are financially comfortable. Think about it for half a second.

In a perfect world everyone would get paid huge for the work they do but paying MMA fighters what they want to be paid will fuck up the whole system.

For most guys, part of being hungry is being broke.

Fighting isn't like other sports. Most fighters perform best with their backs against the wall.

It's a brutal sport and if you choose to ignore the truth of it then you are blind and that is your fault.
Is this guy for real? Can we add him to the list of Zuffa shills?

"The MMA business model doesn't work when all the fighters are financially comfortable."

So, you want all these UFC athletes to continue to be grossly underpaid? Is that the point you're making?

Also, The UFC is not the sum total of MMA. Just FYI, there are local and regional circuits and national/international promotions that act as feeder orgs to the UFC. The UFC is underpaying its athletes. Take away training expenses and most of these fighters are getting paid very little. Meanwhile, Zuffa is killing the pig.

And your theory about fighters competing better when they're broke is just mind-blowing. MMA isn't street brawling, you've been watching too many movies. As a general rule, you don't want to fight with emotion. "Broke Fitch" is a myth. "Broke Fitch" got cut. Phone Post

I never said anything about fighting with emotion. I'm talking about fighting with motivation. In the sense that I am talking about, they are separate things.

I don't "want" fighters to be grossly underpaid at all. I'm just saying that the UFC won't be able to keep all these guys together when pay does increase. They will care less about the UFC belt and will care more about how much they are making. That could lead them anywhere.

The UFC wont be the only people benefitting financially from a bigger MMA market. Others will reap the benefits and will be more willing to fork out money to fighters to compete with the UFC when they can. This will split up the fighters.

I personally don't care though because I wont change what is going to happen either way.

I'm just saying that if you want fighters to all get rich, you are going to have problems and a lot of MMA fans are going to not be as happy about it as they think they will.

But I personally couldn't care less. I hate to hear about a guy who pays away 59% of his check for fight prep but to me that is more poor money management then him getting screwed over. These guys have responsibilities and they knew what the pay was like when they signed up. It's fine for them to want more, but I don't feel all that sorry for them. They have every right to go make a better living somewhere else.

But with MMA they are afforded the risk and reward business model. If they play their cards right and beat the right people, they might be set for life. If they fall just slightly short of that, they will likely struggle financially. That was their gamble.

I might as well lobby for insurance on losing lottery tickets if I want to get up in arms about fighter pay.
6/27/13 12:36 AM
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Porkchop - I get voted down in this place for speaking the truth. Wonder why I don't give a shit about green arrows? This is why.
Sounds like you do care.

Nerd. Phone Post 3.0

Sounds like you might be retarded....


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I can only assume that he thinks that by me saying that I don't give a shit about something that it means that somehow I do. He'd have to be a straight moron to be that bad with deduction.

As for you, you need to stop taking this so personally. Man the fuck up and untwist those panties. I'm not here to bitch at people like you would like me to. I'm speaking the truth and you don't know how to deal with it other than try to insult me.

At that point, I can only assume that you have run out of things to say. Nothing thoughtful to add? - Start calling people names...

This is what I should be expecting of you though I guess.... At least take the time to come up with your own insults next time though.... Put a little effort in to it if that's all you can do.....
6/27/13 12:45 AM
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Let's list the propaganda items that are spewed ad nauseum: 

1.  We don't have any idea what they are making!  They all get fat stacks with secret checks!

Slowly but surely--this myth is being debunked. 

2.  All those who reported on the story in the past were frauds and inventing!

Sure.

Next, you have the appeal to the fans, and how the current "model" is actually in their best interest. 

3.  Fighters making more will be less "hungry." 

4.  Fighters making more will have more options, and thus, you won't see the fights you want to see.

Sure.  Canelo-PBF anyone?  Oh yeah, we never did get to see Fedor-Couture did we?  How about Eddie Alvarez v. Gil or Benson?  We see that? 

These are professional athletes in the most extreme type of competition that exists.  They are HYPER motivated already to perform. 

Then you have the position of Elvis, who takes the UFC's position as paying the most as a sign that they should be exempt from any sort of criticism.  This ignores the "system" that has been installed to lead to exactly this result.  Let's use Fedor again as an example. 

Despite never having competed in the UFC, he was, for around a decade, not only the number 1 ranked heavyweight, but the number 1 overall ranked mixed martial artist.  His promoters must have done something phenomenal to obtain this status despite never having competed in the UFC.  Could they co-promote a fight?  No.  Could they take a 1 fight deal with the UFC to see who was better?  No.  Could they take a 1 fight deal with a rematch clause?  No.  Could Fedor promote himself and compete against the UFC's best?  No. 

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I'm sure I've missed many popular retorts--please add to the list. 

6/27/13 12:50 AM
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5.  They are just bitter washouts!

Another very popular refrain, connected in many ways with number 6 below.

6.  They haven't fought in the UFC, and thus, haven't "proved" themselves.

This was, for years and years, very cleverly used by the UFC to indoctrinate the belief into many.  Of course, the Strikeforce fighters who moved over are sure holding their own, aren't they? 

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TeamRenzo - If people want to compare salaries from other sports, not that I think it is relevant then look at how much Tiger Woods made last year in PGA salary/winnings vs endorsements.

the lowest paid guy at the U. S. Open makes about 10k

Not to get too sidetracked, but I do think compensation in other sports is an interesting topic.

To be fair, half the golfers who qualify for the US Open make nothing at all since they miss the cut.

The payouts the last couple of years for the US Open have been about $8M and the revenues can exceed $100M at a large enough club. Obviously less for this year's Open since the course was tiny. But still, the player's share is pretty small compared to the team sports.

Just throwing that out there.
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Isnt Kennedy contract being carried over from Strikeforce?

thats UFC's fault how?
6/27/13 5:27 AM
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Did anyone else find it retarded that he listed nutrition and housing as part of his expenses?

THat is retarded. Hey I work at a school and I have to pay for food and rent also. Does that mean I deduct that from my annual salary and calculate that I make 10,000. How is it he's only counting his take home profit as his salary. That's retarded.


Tim Kennedy, your accounting skills are lacking as well as your standup

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