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6/26/13 11:11 AM
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Its seems silly to "blast" the UFC about what he will make before the fight happens, and any UFC official has a chance to pay unreported bonuses.

Tim is like many others who want guaranteed money and not performance based. Which they can't count on if they get their butts handed to them. Phone Post
6/26/13 11:15 AM
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DonDon11 - Didn't he sign a contract agreeing to what he's being paid? If he didn't like the numbers he probably shouldn't have signed his name to it.... Phone Post 3.0
And this is why he's the biggest fool of all. Phone Post 3.0
6/26/13 11:19 AM
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We should see what his take home is at the end of year compared to ur local grocery store clerk. I for 1 sure would take his pay over mine. Phone Post 3.0
6/26/13 11:22 AM
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since when can u get $20 grand fron emptying trash cans!? Think i got the wrong job!!
6/26/13 11:26 AM
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Did Kennedy report money earned through sponsorships? The fighters in the UFC are also given a platform to attract lucrative sponsorship deals for their fights.

What was his take home per fight after those dollars are added?

As a UFC fighter I'm sure he is also in demand for doing personal appearances and seminars. What are his yearly earnings doing these types of activities?

Every time he fights in the UFC he has a chance to earn a large bonus for KO, Sub or fight of the night.

If he wants to put numbers out in public he should divulge all of his earnings. I'd like to see what his earnings add up to with all of those figures added to see what his actual earnings are. Phone Post 3.0
6/26/13 11:34 AM
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TheKidAintMine - Several points:

First, if Kennedy is so unhappy about the pay in the UFC, then why does he want to fight for them?

If Kennedy and his management team called up Dana or Lorenzo tomorrow and said, "Hey we don't like the way you guys are running your business. We don't think you're paying us enough and we don't want to be a part of your company anymore." I'm sure Zuffa and Team Kennedy could work out a solution whereby Tim gets released from his contract so that he can more money elsewhere.

Kennedy isn't GSP or Cain or JDS, I'm pretty sure Zuffa would let him go if he really wanted out. Kennedy should test the market and see how much Bellator or WSOF or One FC is willing to pay. If it's more than Zuffa, then good for him.

Secondly, why is Kennedy paying a percentage of his winnings to gym fees and his coaches? Shouldn't those be flat fees? You're telling me every time he fights his gym gets a percentage? And if he wins, his gym gets even more money. And on top of that, his coaches also get a cut? Why doesn't he just negotiate a flat fee per training camp that is independent of how much he makes?

And lastly, that article is a little disingenuous. They talk about GSP and Cain's pay, but there's no mention at all about their cut of the PPV money.

1. I think you're missing the point that MMA fighters in general are underpaid. The UFC is the biggest league in MMA, as was noted in this thread in most other individual sports, the top 100 guys are doing VERY well

2. Every fighter pays a percentage of winnings to gym / manager / trainers.

3. Champions don't only fight on PPV, and PPV sales aren't a gaurentee.

Outside of the first fight on FOX, how many times have Cain, Silva, & GSP fought on a card that wasn't a PPV? Phone Post
Silva headlined 2 fight nights. Phone Post 3.0
Silva has never fought as the champ on anything that wasn't a PPV. One Fight Night at LHW and his UFC debut against Leben. Phone Post
6/26/13 11:43 AM
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kennedy, a guy in the lower end of the top 20. Won some fights but cant win against the big boys

Cholish, struggled in the ufc

Fitch, solid fighter for a few years but failed to market himself and is generally disliked by the majority of fans for his fighting style.

Volkman, had a decent run in the ufc but was generally disliked for his personality and fighting style.

All these guys have bitched about pay recently. But whos fault is it their paycheck is small. Its not the ufc's fault that they arent marketable, or cant win key fights. Ridiculous that they think their entitled to the big paychecks simply by virtue of being of ufc fighters. Theirs over 300 hundred guys signed in. They all cant get big piece of pie if they dont deserve it. The guys listed above where lacking something and thats why their paycheck sucked. Its simple really.
6/26/13 11:45 AM
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Bigyoutube - 20 grand annually is about if not less than a garbage mans yearly salary , really man do so research before talking Phone Post 3.0
You could afford to do some research as well. Tim's from California. The median salary for a garbage man there is over 40k. Phone Post
6/26/13 11:47 AM
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Porkchop - 
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Porkchop - MMA does pay shitty. It's not like other MMA orgs pay more than the UFC.

If you aren't in it for the glory and you are just in it for money, you are fighting for the wrong reasons.

LOL.  This is professional prize fighting.  If you AREN'T in it for the money, you are in it for the wrong reasons.


Wrong. There are lots of other jobs you can make far more money at, much more easily. If you don't like this job, and you're doing it for years, you're a fool.

This. Macedawgg is way off base.

You have to be realistic. Not everyone is going to clean up with pay.

And mark my words, when these guys do all start to become rich, MMA will go the way of boxing and fall apart. The low pay system is all that is keeping MMA functioning right now. Desperate fighters and guys who can do it for almost no pay are what this sport needs to stay the way it is.

Start paying guys crazy money and the UFC will fall apart and we wont see the best vs the best anymore.

" Start paying guys crazy money and the UFC will fall apart and we wont see the best vs the best anymore."


Exactly, Porkchop, great point! Same reason I hope MLB, NFL, NBA and the NHL never get to the point where they have minimum salaries in the $1,000,000 range... they'll all fall apart. We'll no longer see the best vs. the best.

Gone will be the days of seeing world class athletes like Lebron James, A-Rod and RG III facing off against Kobe Bryant, Justin Verlander and DeMarcus Ware.

It's a well known fact in any industry, the more you pay people, the more attractive you make the job, the most qualified... the best of the best.. those people will immediately lose interest and seek a job offering less pay and more modest benefits.

I don't know if you are currently employed but if not, I'd suggest sending a resume directly to the POTUS and see about getting in on turning the economy around. I bet you have some awesome ideas on turning the economy around.
6/26/13 11:52 AM
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FloridaStriker - you want money. Become a fucking doctor or get a real profesion. You want to be a fighter? Spartans slept on concrete floors.

This is why boxing doesnt exist anymore. Gave one pussy too much money and attention and found out he was a businessman instead of a boxer. If youre looking to get paid. Go to college like everyone else. You dont get micheal jordan money for deciding you want to punch ppl in the head on TV. Not unless youre conceptionally good at it. The only people complaining about money are mediocre athletes with more mouth than ability

Holy fucking shit.... oh, wait.. you're trolling! Good one, you almost had me!
6/26/13 11:53 AM
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I don't disagree with anything he says but he better hope he wins cause the UFC doesn't like when u talk about them while being employed by them ask duff man. Phone Post 3.0
6/26/13 11:55 AM
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It's a business. Look at any business, they pay what they can negotiate. UFC is where everyone wants to be. Since there aren't much for competitors, you don't have other places to go that will compete with a better offer. This is the reality, deal with it. What you DON'T do is trash the UFC about how poor their pay is if you expect to be paid more in the future. Clearly, the fighter's popularity, entertainment value, and PPV sales is directly correlated with their pay. Right now, the masses have no clue who Tim Kennedy is and don't care what he's paid. Get out there, win some fights, be exciting, and you'll get paid more.. bottom line
6/26/13 11:56 AM
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TecHNieK - since when can u get $20 grand fron emptying trash cans!? Think i got the wrong job!!

Garbage men usually get paid alright.  He would be subject to a lower tax rate as a garbage man and he would probably have better benefits too.  

6/26/13 11:56 AM
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Bigyoutube - 20 grand annually is about if not less than a garbage mans yearly salary , really man do so research before talking Phone Post 3.0

we're talking about 1 fight here i doubt Tim is gonna fight once a year so technically he'd make double or triple then what a garbage man would make a year. You should do some research, made yourself sound like a jackass
6/26/13 11:58 AM
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Porkchop - MMA does pay shitty. It's not like other MMA orgs pay more than the UFC.

If you aren't in it for the glory and you are just in it for money, you are fighting for the wrong reasons.

LOL.  This is professional prize fighting.  If you AREN'T in it for the money, you are in it for the wrong reasons.

Correct.

You are driven to do it because you are good at it or at least better than others.

But it's about money.

Here is a hypothetical situation for any fighter.

1. You can be champ of any UFC weight division.

You will beat anyone.

You will be P4P the best.

Your pay will not be enough to retire on and set your family up for life.

Or.

2. You are not the champ.

You get enough money to retire and set up your children for education and potential success.

Only a fool would choose the belt over financial security.

It's prize fighting and the belt represents the best but the prize being fought over is money and the only reason you want to be champ is because being the best typically ensures you are paid commensurate to that position.

It's the UFC.

It ain't UNICEF.

No one is here for altruistic reasons. Phone Post
6/26/13 12:02 PM
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I'm so sick of hearing this garbage.

What do you and I (the average Joes of the world) do when we are not happy with our pay or job situation? We find a new, better paying job.

I don't think any of these guys got into fighting for the huge paydays.

They get to live their dream, doing what most of us consider as a hobby, and they do it by choice. I would love to be able to train & eat all day, going from gym to gym learning from the best, but I decided that having a regular paycheck and health insurance for my family is more important to me.
6/26/13 12:13 PM
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Comparing UFC to MLB/NHL/NBA/NFL on the basis of the 'best facing the best' is retarded.

Players in those sports can't choose to only play the worst five teams.

Boxing is a fair comparison. Poor fighters will take a payday fight even if it means a loss while top level guys will duck dangerous fighters to ensure a steady stream of victories.

Plus, why should all of these fighters feel every one of them deserves bug bucks? So they don't have to worry about money while fighting?

Why should a low level UFC fighter be anymore free from financial worries than previously mentioned supermarket clerks? Phone Post 3.0
6/26/13 12:15 PM
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It's sad that no name hockey players in shitty markets are getting paid more than most top teir UFC guys.


Yah fighters are way underpaid while zuffa taking in millions Phone Post 3.0
6/26/13 12:17 PM
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Man if he's paying out 59% of his earnings his problem isn't his pay but his money management.

I understand why fighters want more money, that's normal. What I don't understand is why they complain about 'ufc' pay when the ufc pays more than anyone else and the residual earnings from being a ufc star is far greater than any other org. Look what Forest did... used his smarts and wrote some books at the peak of his fighting career. Randy and Rampage got their movie opportunities from their exposure in the ufc. Phone Post
6/26/13 12:23 PM
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Bigyoutube - 20 grand annually is about if not less than a garbage mans yearly salary , really man do so research before talking Phone Post 3.0

Actually, you need to do your research. One google check showed me that in California garbage men make $42,000. In the lowest paying state of West Virginia, they make $22,000.
6/26/13 12:31 PM
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Bigyoutube - Come on people stop being morons , if you actually think fighters get payed enough money you are the reason the sport will be dead in 10-15 years , why the hell would aspiring athletes bother turning to MMA when it pays so pathetically at the highest level ... Look at what a rookie football, hockey, baseball, basketball player makes in his first pro year and try and say that fighters get payed enough , pathetic , I love this sport stop ruining its future with dumb sayings like , if you are in it for money you are in it for the wrong reasons , we all need money to live dumbasses , how the hell are you going to feed you're children without money! Phone Post 3.0

buddy you're about the only only one here that I read so far that makes any sense. Once these guys make to the UFC it should be time to get paid!! I understand that in the small shows they don't and can't pay as well and maybe those shows are for the guys that see it as more of a hobby type thing. it would pay just enough to put a bit in the pocket and pay their training and fees (MAYBE lol). But once you've earned a spot in the UFC it should be a different game completely. They claim to have the elite of the elite fighters so pay them that way. The UFC isn't just making a bit of $$$ they're making a lot of millions. if they just paid the fighters 1% of the of the gate money they'd get paid properly. if the gate is 3 million thats $100,000 each fighter on average. thats 1 fuckin percent. it doesn't have to be split the same pay for each fighter but the minimum fighter salary should be 80-90 grand. that way after taxes and bills they still have 20-30 grand in the bank. That would not hurt the UFC and the guys who put their life on the line to entertain the public on TV. Like I said on the smaller venues where there's no TV involved and the shows are small then that's different. the base salary for a rookie hockey player is $800,000 per year. Fighters have to train every bit as much as the big pro games why do they deserve less to be beaten on 10 times as much.
the people on here bitching that the fighters chose this it's too bad for them....... are the people that either can't make it or they only watch from the couch and are lazy and jealeous. Ya I'd fight and train every day for $8000 and try to feed my family and have no benefits to keep them healthy...NOT!!!....... WAKE UP dumass
6/26/13 12:32 PM
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One thing really stands out: Between gym fees and coaching fees, Team Jackson/Winklejohn is getting 23% of his pay. That seems insanely high! He has to pay them both for being in the gym and for coaching him?

A while back, there was a multi-part series on Trevor Whitman and The Grudge Center. I am pretty sure Grudge guys pay a cut that covers Trevor's time and the gym itself.

If Rashad was paying Jackson and co 23% of his pay, no wonder.

The only time I really have problems, when the subject of pay comes up, is when a guy either lies or is selective. Volkman, for example, out and out lied about his pay for a 2 year span. All of his fights had publicly disclosed pay and he offered numbers that were lower than the SAC announced pay.

But if you are going to include all of the costs of being a fighter, you have to include all of the revenue.

So I have no problem with Tim saying "I should be making more money". But when Tim says, I am spending all of this money on my expenses and will only end up with 20k for this fight, that is simply not true. Either talk about all of your sponsor and seminar pay, or don't bring up the expenses.

Can't have it both ways.
6/26/13 12:36 PM
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armbarheelhook -  I think its safe to say that Tim probably has made more money so far in his pro MMA fights than he has in his entire military career pay combined.

The military doesn't pay all that good unless you are an officer. People join for job security, see the world, signing bonus/college fund.
Anytime he was in-country he got paid hazzard pay, combat pay, dive pay, etc.. ontop of his base salary. Which isn't that big of a bonus really. Add in the fact that he was getting shot at and placed in immediate life threatening danger.

I would say he is doing pretty good for himself considering the other circumstances.

idk. Phone Post

Tim Kennedy's rank is E6 a staff sergeant. At 4 years of service his monthly salary would be $2819 not including haz duty pay or any other add ons such as housing or food pay. At 6 years $2935 monthly. Both would be significantly higher than one fight a year at his stated expenses not to mention that if he hits 20 years of service or gets offered a early retirement shortly before that gives him a good pension for life as well as cheap healthcare for life. Pay in a combat zone overseas is Federal tax free. Being in combat he would make more in the military than he would for two fights a year at that amount. Certainly won't argue your points about danger though. His gym fees seem kind of high as does his nutrition but I suppose he is calculating that on a yearly basis and it probably involves paying multiple places to train. Also the vast majority of his nutrition should be food and we all have to pay for that or at least all of us who work.
6/26/13 12:36 PM
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TopGrinder - It's sad that no name hockey players in shitty markets are getting paid more than most top teir UFC guys.


Yah fighters are way underpaid while zuffa taking in millions Phone Post 3.0

You're right it's very sad!! Rookies and no name hockey players make no less than $800,000 per year. Top fighter don't make close to that. Maybe less than 1 percent do. and for all the fools that think sponsore pay a lot of money???? don't fuckin kid yourself. guys wouldn't be bitchin if that were the case
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Nutrition? He didn't factor in the garbage mans food. Why should he get to factor in his own? Gym fees seem high, but you Gotta pay to train. I'm paying off my school loans, as they're the price I paid to learn my profession. If he's paying gym fees to learn his, what's the difference? Lodging during fight camp... I mean I understand all of these things cost money, but when a business man spends money to live he doesn't deduct that from what he reports he earns. You make money to pay for life. Phone Post

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