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6/26/13 6:41 PM
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Porkchop - MMA does pay shitty. It's not like other MMA orgs pay more than the UFC.

If you aren't in it for the glory and you are just in it for money, you are fighting for the wrong reasons.

LOL.  This is professional prize fighting.  If you AREN'T in it for the money, you are in it for the wrong reasons.

Dude your a straight moran. Phone Post

Ha! Mace is awesome and means well and the UG is lucky to have him, IMO. One of my favorites, actually. Good guy.

 

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6/26/13 6:43 PM
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If he is of more value in the labor market than what he is making, then he should take that other opportunity. If he's not, then do something or learn something to command more clout. If you don't or can't do this,no point in bitching about it, because they don't need you.
6/26/13 6:47 PM
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6/26/13 6:58 PM
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wvugreenlantern - Allow me to break down this ridiculous sympathy plea by Kennedy.

Kennedy broke down his pay: He said his show money for UFC 162 was $55,000, but that he would only clear around $20,000 before taxes and after expenses: 13% on gym fees 12% for nutrition 10% to his manager 10% to his coach 8% on his camp lodging 3% for fight medicals 3% on equipment TOTAL 59% For one fight. Barring injuries, any fighter is going to fight at LEAST twice a year and usually 3-4. Let's use "2" just to be very conservative with his income. Let's also, like he prefers to do, ignore all sponsor money, locker room bonuses, and missed performance incentives. (FotN, SotN, KOotN) Because if my copmany offers to pay me an additional $10k this month for selling X amount of widgets, and I fall short...I can't turn around and say "They never offer me more money..." Perform well, get paid well. Welcome to the real world.

Let's compare to a guy making 55k a year, a solid middle income "office" job salary. This job will often require a large investment in education as well, but we'll disregard that for now. Tim cries that: 12% of his money goes to "nutrition" I don't know about you guys, but I'm 30...and in the real world...every single person has to spend money on "nutrition." If you make 50k a year and have an average food budget you're looking at doing at least $500/month on groceries and "nutrition" and that's certainly not eating a regiment of organic healthy yet expensive foods. Tim cries next that he must spend 8% on "camp lodging" Now he could mean a couple of things by this, supplying rooms for his "camp" to stay when he travels to fight, OR his own cost of living while at camp. Either way, 8% is about $4400. Over a decent 12 week camp, that's $1400/month in His "manager" makes 10%. Cry me a river, in my line of work my manager makes about 20% override on my income. I also don't get paid to practice my job all year, and only have to perform it once. I hate when fighters try to garner sympathy by crying about real job comparisons. Go run a trash truck then kennedy...oh..you aren't? Gee, funny that... Now let's factor in the UFC/Dana angle of "Who the hell is buying PPVs or tuning into Fox to watch Tim Kennedy?" Look I could set here and bash every single number, the bottom line is this: The guy is essentially whining and comparing himself to a gruelling thankless job where you literally collect the filth and waste of other people starting at 4am every morning of your life. Tim will easily clear 6 figures this year.



While his "gym, coach, manager" etc will also make quite a bit of bank on his behalf. The ufc holds free seminars for fighters all of the time to show how they can cut out having a manager. Management is optional. If you can't comprehend contracts enough to negotiate your own, then don't cry about the small cut of cash you have to pay yours to keep your income rolling in.

Now I eagerly await the masses of 16-25 year olds that have never held a career-level full time job to tell me how I know nothing and poor mma fighters have it so rough. Guess what guys: If the only skill you have to offer the workforce is the ability to beat up other guys, and you are "meh" at it...don't come crying to me that you're making McDonalds employee level money...because you're the mma equivalent of McDonalds level talent at that point. The guy making fries at the McDonalds doesn't get to demand his fair share of the corporate profits, you know why?


Because there's another guy tomorrow waiting to cook those fries just as well for $8/hr. Tim Kennedy is just one of those guys that's been doing "fries" long enough to become a shift manager and suddenly he thinks he should own the restaurant.

Voted up for using common sense and logic.

 

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6/26/13 7:03 PM
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Gates of Janus - i wished i made a couple grand for 25 mins work max three nights out of the year. sign me up.
To bad that's not the case! Try a 6 week camp putting your body through hell and hardcore diet! Fight Night is the cakewalk part of the process. Phone Post 3.0
6/26/13 7:23 PM
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VITRTOR Yellow'd in my mouth - Fighters aren't overpaid. NFL/NBA/MLB players are. Phone Post 3.0

This kind of reasoning rustles my jimmies.

The money is there for NFL/NBA/MLB players. Someone is going to pocket it. By your logic, you want the owners to have it instead. Think about it for a second before bitching
6/26/13 7:26 PM
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Tim Kennedy is right on point with his argument that the UFC doesn't pay enough.

in the NFL and other places the Team wners have to shared their revenue with the players. Not exactly sure the % but it's something like 55% to owners and 45% to the players.

It should be that way in the UFC.Dana and the Bro's will STILL make MILLIONS and the fighter would get a hugh bump in pay.

Narrow the roster down a bit and pay the ones that you do have damn good money and I bet you would see a hell of a lot more fight finishes.

This is the uFC, the upper most elite Company in all of MMA. It's "The Show". It's a fucking disgrace to have a fighter making something like $3 and $3.

If you fight for the UFC you should at least be able to train full time and not have to have another job.

Minimum salary should be $50 Grand per fight.

You would see a lot more fighters fighting for the life making better money like $50 K instaed of a paultry total of $6K


As far as Kennedy goes, I agree with his argument that pay needs to be better but he certainly did embellish his figures to bolster his argument.

Thing is he didn't NEED to do this. The argument speasks for itself and didn't need his embellishments to add to it.
6/26/13 7:26 PM
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And was there some sort of pay nosedive that took place between these fighters deciding they want to fight and them joining the UFC? They know just as well as everyone else what the contracts are like. If you don't think the average fighters make enough money, pick a different career route. You knew what you were getting into
6/26/13 7:27 PM
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It's SO heartwarming watching folks fighting the 'good fight' on behalf of Multi-millionaires to further expand their margins.

Such dedication. It warms the heart. Truly.

6/26/13 7:27 PM
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goldenboyart - Tim Kennedy is right on point with his argument that the UFC doesn't pay enough.

in the NFL and other places the Team wners have to shared their revenue with the players. Not exactly sure the % but it's something like 55% to owners and 45% to the players.

It should be that way in the UFC.Dana and the Bro's will STILL make MILLIONS and the fighter would get a hugh bump in pay.

Narrow the roster down a bit and pay the ones that you do have damn good money and I bet you would see a hell of a lot more fight finishes.

This is the uFC, the upper most elite Company in all of MMA. It's "The Show". It's a fucking disgrace to have a fighter making something like $3 and $3.

If you fight for the UFC you should at least be able to train full time and not have to have another job.

Minimum salary should be $50 Grand per fight.

You would see a lot more fighters fighting for the life making better money like $50 K instaed of a paultry total of $6K


As far as Kennedy goes, I agree with his argument that pay needs to be better but he certainly did embellish his figures to bolster his argument.

Thing is he didn't NEED to do this. The argument speasks for itself and didn't need his embellishments to add to it.

Kennedy is bitching about $50,000
6/26/13 7:40 PM
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Porkchop - MMA does pay shitty. It's not like other MMA orgs pay more than the UFC.

If you aren't in it for the glory and you are just in it for money, you are fighting for the wrong reasons.

LOL.  This is professional prize fighting.  If you AREN'T in it for the money, you are in it for the wrong reasons.

Dude your a straight moran. Phone Post

Ha! Mace is awesome and means well and the UG is lucky to have him, IMO. One of my favorites, actually. Good guy.

 

Cindy


Thanks Cindy!  No, you aren't one of the shills--you are just a very loyal friend with a point of view.  That is fine. 

The shills--the dozens and dozens of other anonymous sorts you see on threads like these!

6/26/13 7:42 PM
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"Kennedy revealed that he was due around $55,000 to show up at UFC 162, with the purse potentially increasing to $70,000 with a win bonus – but that after the expenses of his camp, medicals and fight team, he would only pocket around $20,000, even before taxes. After the interview, Kennedy sent a detailed breakdown of how his fight purse would be divided up: 13% on gym fees, 12% for nutrition, 10% to his manager, 10% to his coach, 8% on his camp lodging, 3% for fight medicals and 3% on equipment. In total, that’s 59% of his fight purse before tax is deducted."


Well, he could go somewhere with much lower gym fees (AKA I think is at 5%), management fees (AKA again at 5%), spend less on nutrition, negotiate a better deal with his manager (or fire him if he's a competent businessman), why is he paying "gym fees" and another 10% to his coach?, can he find a teammate with an extra room for lodging for less than 8%? If a camp is two months, that should not cost him more than $1500.


What it really sounds like is that Tim is getting nickel and dimed by everyone he's working with. The reason all these people are doing percentages is that once Tim gets more money, so do they. Taking him for more cash.
6/26/13 7:45 PM
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Oh, and Tim should make more money.
6/26/13 7:50 PM
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Thacommish - "Now I eagerly await the masses of 16-25 year olds that have never held a career-level full time job to tell me how I know nothing and poor mma fighters have it so rough. Guess what guys: If the only skill you have to offer the workforce is the ability to beat up other guys, and you are "meh" at it...don't come crying to me that you're making McDonalds employee level money...because you're the mma equivalent of McDonalds level talent at that point."

I cant believe someone that considers himself above 16-25 year olds made such a horrible emotionally inspired connection between ufc fighters and mcdonalds employees.

Your logic is severely misguided. If your only talent in the workforce is hitting a baseball in mlb and you are "meh" about it don't come crying to me. Oh wait the league minimum in baseball is 400k.

If you notice im quoting someone else in the first paragraph. Thats not my logic i think its severely misguided also. Mostly because he is comparing the number 1 brand and top quality mma org to mcdonalds and saying that they should be compensated equally.
wvugreenlantern is the guy whom i quoted. I just didnt want to quote his entire frat paragraph with me

Minimum salary in the MLB is 490,000. at 162 games per season that breaks down to 3024.69 per game. I have a feeling this will all look about the same across the board. The issue is more that fighters fight a lot less per year than the average athlete in other sports can compete.

Wow , that is some amazing mathematics. I don't know what worse , comparing what a baseball player does for a living to the most physically demanding sport in the world bar none or thinking a fighter sits on his couch up until the day he has to fight.
6/26/13 7:57 PM
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well, didn't bother to read 10 pages worth of shit on this, but to my thinking...don't most fighters at least fight twice a year, and i have seen plenty with at least 3 fights a year. That is assuming in the big dog org like the UFC. In that scenario that would mean most fighters, if at least at Kennedy's payout level, would make around double what he listed and possibly triple or more depending on exactly how many fights they have, if they win/lose, get sub/ko/fight of the night. If he is basing his figures on one fight, does that mean he only plans to fight once a year. If so, he must not really be interested in beating higher caliber competition and getting a bigger paycheck...or at least that would be my assumption.
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God I love these threads... An opportunity for the sociopathic 'fans' to express how little they care for the blood sweat and tears shed by what they say to be their heroes.

As someone who used to be called a UFC shill with abandon on here, the lengths folks will go to back the Fertita's pocketing millions why fighters can barely pay for expenses... Is sickening to the core.

No fighters - no UFC.


Thread should be closed after this.

Based on many of these threads either people a. trolling. b. paid zuffa posters or C. Are so miserable in their own lives heaven forbid someone make more money than them.

I can't believe the so called fans on this site crucifying a man that is a professional mma fighter who wants to be paid more to support his family. How dare him.

The bottom line is zuffa and even dana are swimming in money based of the blood sweat and tears (not to mention brain cells) of these fighters. They just need to spread the love a little more. When the president of the company has enough money to blow 200k in gambling in a single night than there is something wrong with this picture.
6/26/13 8:01 PM
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niveky144 - well, didn't bother to read 10 pages worth of shit on this, but to my thinking...don't most fighters at least fight twice a year, and i have seen plenty with at least 3 fights a year. That is assuming in the big dog org like the UFC. In that scenario that would mean most fighters, if at least at Kennedy's payout level, would make around double what he listed and possibly triple or more depending on exactly how many fights they have, if they win/lose, get sub/ko/fight of the night. If he is basing his figures on one fight, does that mean he only plans to fight once a year. If so, he must not really be interested in beating higher caliber competition and getting a bigger paycheck...or at least that would be my assumption.

The average UFC fighter fights 1.6 times per year, is exclusive, and has duties to Zuffa that extend beyond performance in bouts.

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It's SO heartwarming watching folks fighting the 'good fight' on behalf of Multi-millionaires to further expand their margins.

Such dedication. It warms the heart. Truly.


LOLOLOL.. NICE.
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God I love these threads... An opportunity for the sociopathic 'fans' to express how little they care for the blood sweat and tears shed by what they say to be their heroes.

As someone who used to be called a UFC shill with abandon on here, the lengths folks will go to back the Fertita's pocketing millions why fighters can barely pay for expenses... Is sickening to the core.

No fighters - no UFC.


Thread should be closed after this.

Based on many of these threads either people a. trolling. b. paid zuffa posters or C. Are so miserable in their own lives heaven forbid someone make more money than them.

I can't believe the so called fans on this site crucifying a man that is a professional mma fighter who wants to be paid more to support his family. How dare him.

The bottom line is zuffa and even dana are swimming in money based of the blood sweat and tears (not to mention brain cells) of these fighters. They just need to spread the love a little more. When the president of the company has enough money to blow 200k in gambling in a single night than there is something wrong with this picture.
Man I love posts like Filo. All 3 of your option essentially say if you don't agree with me you're an idiot.

Couldn't there be a fourth option where we just have a differing opinion? Is yours the only one that's right? I mean I fully support your ability to state yours and don't belittle it, so why do that to others? Phone Post 3.0
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God I love these threads... An opportunity for the sociopathic 'fans' to express how little they care for the blood sweat and tears shed by what they say to be their heroes.

As someone who used to be called a UFC shill with abandon on here, the lengths folks will go to back the Fertita's pocketing millions why fighters can barely pay for expenses... Is sickening to the core.

No fighters - no UFC.


Thread should be closed after this.

Based on many of these threads either people a. trolling. b. paid zuffa posters or C. Are so miserable in their own lives heaven forbid someone make more money than them.

I can't believe the so called fans on this site crucifying a man that is a professional mma fighter who wants to be paid more to support his family. How dare him.

The bottom line is zuffa and even dana are swimming in money based of the blood sweat and tears (not to mention brain cells) of these fighters. They just need to spread the love a little more. When the president of the company has enough money to blow 200k in gambling in a single night than there is something wrong with this picture.

Yeah and I think putting aside all the "Independant contractor" and no union stuff this is the bottom line

 

No Tennis players - No ATP

No Golfers - No PGA

No Fighters - No UFC

 

All situations where a company or group of related companies is making gangbusters off of a product that requires expensive training and sometimes in a dire situation will come to a point where, no matter how at odds each athlete is with the other, the conditions become the bigger fight.

Why not avoid the cliché and take a hit short-term to smooth out the long-term?

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God I love these threads... An opportunity for the sociopathic 'fans' to express how little they care for the blood sweat and tears shed by what they say to be their heroes.

As someone who used to be called a UFC shill with abandon on here, the lengths folks will go to back the Fertita's pocketing millions why fighters can barely pay for expenses... Is sickening to the core.

No fighters - no UFC.


Thread should be closed after this.

Based on many of these threads either people a. trolling. b. paid zuffa posters or C. Are so miserable in their own lives heaven forbid someone make more money than them.

I can't believe the so called fans on this site crucifying a man that is a professional mma fighter who wants to be paid more to support his family. How dare him.

The bottom line is zuffa and even dana are swimming in money based of the blood sweat and tears (not to mention brain cells) of these fighters. They just need to spread the love a little more. When the president of the company has enough money to blow 200k in gambling in a single night than there is something wrong with this picture.

I just don't get it.

Like, the Fertita's aren't going to come down and thank you for your dedication you dopey tards. They are going to chortle all the way to the bank while the fighters, more and more fighters, will retire with very little.

I suppose the NFL style use and abuse is what gets fans off? Is that what I'm lead to belive with the legion of simpletons telling us how wicked fighters have it??

Again. I don't get it. Treat the fighters like your friends and family. Treat them like your training partners. Treat them like people you have respect for, not tools that are whittled away at the whim of mega wealthy casino owners. If you're THAT much of a fan, you will support the true heroes of the sport - the fighters, not the wealthy businessmen looking to cash in on the latest sporting fad.

 

6/26/13 8:34 PM
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Filo_Beto - 
pulsar - 

God I love these threads... An opportunity for the sociopathic 'fans' to express how little they care for the blood sweat and tears shed by what they say to be their heroes.

As someone who used to be called a UFC shill with abandon on here, the lengths folks will go to back the Fertita's pocketing millions why fighters can barely pay for expenses... Is sickening to the core.

No fighters - no UFC.


Thread should be closed after this.

Based on many of these threads either people a. trolling. b. paid zuffa posters or C. Are so miserable in their own lives heaven forbid someone make more money than them.

I can't believe the so called fans on this site crucifying a man that is a professional mma fighter who wants to be paid more to support his family. How dare him.

The bottom line is zuffa and even dana are swimming in money based of the blood sweat and tears (not to mention brain cells) of these fighters. They just need to spread the love a little more. When the president of the company has enough money to blow 200k in gambling in a single night than there is something wrong with this picture.

I just don't get it.

Like, the Fertita's aren't going to come down and thank you for your dedication you dopey tards. They are going to chortle all the way to the bank while the fighters, more and more fighters, will retire with very little.

I suppose the NFL style use and abuse is what gets fans off? Is that what I'm lead to belive with the legion of simpletons telling us how wicked fighters have it??

Again. I don't get it. Treat the fighters like your friends and family. Treat them like your training partners. Treat them like people you have respect for, not tools that are whittled away at the whim of mega wealthy casino owners. If you're THAT much of a fan, you will support the true heroes of the sport - the fighters, not the wealthy businessmen looking to cash in on the latest sporting fad.

 


Given the high turnover rate & the parity across almost every division what do you propose they do? You can't guarantee contracts to fighters who aren't draws and are only 1-2 fights away from the smaller promotions. If Zuffa tried to treat their roster like family they would make no money & up and coming talent would hardly get through the door.

You have to win in the UFC to advance your pay. And if you win fights in exciting fashion you can become a draw & make more. Yes it is a cutthroat business, but if you don't acknowledge that before you get in then you are stupid.

MMA & combat sports in general are extremely risky. You have the potential of long-term head injury greatly diminishing quality of life, you have wear & tear tearing apart knees, backs, etc., and then you have the fact that most likely you'll end up broke. If you think you can make money in MMA then you had better be really good, you had better win fights, and in Kennedy's case, both Luke Rockhold and Jacare beat him in title fights.

I get that a lot of fighters get the shaft, and as a fan it's kind of appalling to know that BLAF spends his free time gambling away massive amounts of money while some guys can't pay the bills, but it's the fighters who are going to have to change shit, not Zuffa. Rather than attacking Zuffa what about attacking the likes of Randy Couture, who loves to complain about pay also, and why he's not out there trying to garner support for a union? The fighters will have to come together to make any changes, all Zuffa is doing right now is making them earn it & providing opportunity.
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I don't know what the guys annual salary is bit its clearly more than a grocery clerk or garbage man.

Sorry but an mma figher doing math (except maybe carwin) must be like us using mma math logic.


He says:

Kennedy broke down his pay:
He said his show money for UFC 162 was $55,000, but that he would only clear around $20,000 before taxes, citing the following costs:
13% on gym fees
12% for nutrition
10% to his manager
10% to his coach
8% on his camp lodging
3% for fight medicals
3% on equipment
TOTAL 59%

1. Eight or so moths ago I recall and article where AKA were doing a straight 5% cut on coaching and use of the gym etc... so there is
-18% saved straight away. (His gym cannot ne that much better?)


2. The UFC cover accommodation and flights for a fighter and a corner I think 2, but we'll go with 1 to be safe. So he either has a possie of 10 in a hotel or something or he puts his other corner man up in a $5k room per night at 8%? I say realistically 1-2% at BEST (more than $500-900? )
-7%


3. Nutrition at 12%? Its called eating. All humans do it. You might hire a nutritionist usually 6 weeks out from a fight at best. Anymore than that you essentially have a chef on staff like a GSP. So you need to be making millions to have your own chef its common sense. Either way 12% seems high. I'm betting Dolce could do a 6 week plan for less than that! I'm not going to devalue something I'm not experienced in purchasing so I'll leave that one at a comment.

4. Fight medials and equipment 6%. These are called essentials! To the everyday person thats health insurance and a business suit with different colored shirts and ties. Some thinhs in lige you have to buy to work. The garbage man probably goes through 10 pairs of sneakers a year and 20 white tshirts under his uniform I dunno? It's an essential part of the job. Just like your manager. So putting that on the list is like the average joe complaining about paying taxes as well as having to buy business shoes to match his suit instead of just wearing his sneakers. Some things you have to do.

So according to my estimate he is either exaggerating by 25% at a MINIMUM or I have saved him that just by keeping up with the facts within the business. Thats something he and his management would do far better than me. So I would suggest he start looking at reducing his claims/costs a bit before making lists. He's earning way more than entry level guys. And his 3 fights @55k still = 165k - 25% (tax deductible mind you) less tax.

thats way better than any grocery clerk I know of!

I don't mind him wanting more pay thats great good luck to him. But trying to bitch and compare himself to the average Joes pay grade that pisses me off because thats throwing normal blue collar people's jobs as examples to his pay scale when its simply not true.

If any entry level fighter made the comparison might listen but a 55k for SHOW PLUS SPONSORS AND WINS AND ANY OTHER BONUS
Stop your bitching and man up.


Just my humble opinion =) Phone Post
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its obviously been awhile since TK has worked a crappy labor or service job.
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Ok chillitaco now do that with cholishes pay.

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