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6/27/13 10:04 AM
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Jeff Monson won the ADCC Submission Wrestling World Championship twice and has a 48-14-1  record in MMA, after fighting for more than 15 years. Pat Miletich is a former UFC welterweight champion and is one of the greatest coaches in the history of the sport.

Based on the details above, one might assume the pair has much in common, and could enjoy a collegial relationship. However, Jeff Monson is an Anarchist, "someone who would like to do away with all class hierarchy in society and the institutions that promote this inequality." Pat Miletich fiercely believes in opportunity over entitlement, and reckons that the Democrats are in essence socialists and Marxists, and that the Republican party is just a slightly watered down version of that.

In short, they don't get along, as evidenced by their latest dialogue on Twitter.

Pat Miletich ‏@patmiletich
You know things are bad when politicians are pandering for the votes of 11-20 million illegal aliens.@michellemalkin @Gerilenn

Jeff Monson ‏@JeffMonson
@patmiletich @michellemalkin @gerilenn was it legal to kill & push millions of Native Americans off their land?Same land that is now "ours"?

Jason Jason ‏@FamousinSD
@JeffMonson @patmiletich happened hundreds of years ago now.Its a dead issue.Has happened everywhere.So why should we be the guilty ones?

Jeff Monson ‏@JeffMonson 25 Jun
@FamousinSD @patmiletich doesnt it seem hypocritical for lawmakers who have roots in North America 200 or less to make laws keeping out people who have ancestory here thousands of years.

Pat Miletich @patmiletich
So Jeff, was your attempt at Russian citizenship done legally or illegally? Go spray paint another capital building

Jeff Monson ‏@JeffMonson
I haven't ever attempted to obtain Russian citizenship. Know your facts before you accuse. I have plans for in Russia upcoming. Didn't realize you were so interested in my place of residence. The one sure thing about you that I can set a watch by is that you will be quick to criticize, judge, and condemn. You will stand on your soapbox and have no concern or empathy for anyone who doesn't not have the same beliefs as you. As you so compassionately stated there are no rules in war. So the holocaust, atomic bombs, and torture are all ok for you since you can justify it all. What is most mind boggling is you have no knowledge about what you speak. When you get backed in a corner you just start firing accusations and labeling. I took bible class on Sundays too. The difference is I didn't stop my education about the world at that point like you. I asked questions, investigated, took classes, and most of all when I visited places I looked around and tried to see world through. Your opinion doesn't mean a thing because it comes from a narrow minded, uneducated, and ignorant stance. You don't have the ability nor do you even want to incorporate new information into your worldview. You learned all you need to know by age 5 and it's obvious you've quit learning since then until you read some books on history and current events don't waste my time corresponding with me

Jason ‏@FamousinSD
@JeffMonson @patmiletich read on current events?I live them and react to them while you can peacefully sit back and pass judgement on things you take no responsibility for. Must be nice. Sorry I don't have that luxury I've traveled all over this planet. By land,sea,and air. Actually fought in more than 1 of these wars you "think" you know about. Its disgusting how quick some of you who have never really done anything for America are so quick to put it down. By all means, I'm all for those who don't appreciate our country leaving it with the caveat they can never return.

Jeff Monson ‏@JeffMonson
@FamousinSD @toptiermma @patmiletich educating people on what the government is doing is contributing. Explain to me how being another sheep fighting in wars for bank and corporate interests benefits the people. it's delusional or just denial to think serving in some combat mission for the US is protecting freedom.

Jason ‏@FamousinSD
@JeffMonson @TopTierMMA @patmiletich really? Explain how your Internet fact finding and pick and choose anarchist ways protect us. last time I checked we actually killed INTERNATIONAL criminals. Includes people who threatened this country and our ALLIES. Hard to understand a cause bigger than yourself? its not all about freedom. We also have fun little things called national interests. Research it

Jeff Monson ‏@JeffMonson
national interests = corporate interests. Americans are much less safe because of military affairs.

Jason ‏@FamousinSD
@JeffMonson @TopTierMMA @patmiletich really? You know what has affected America the most? Ungreatful Americans with a sense of entitlement. military affairs have put this country in an unsafe position in zero ways. This all goes back to what I said earlier.Dont like it? Run for office. Change things. Don't talk about it. Be about it. have to love how the first generation of Americans to not be forced to earn their keep is unhappiest

Scott Cunningham ‏@cronosscott
@JeffMonson @FamousinSD @TopTierMMA @patmiletich Hey Jeff....I wonder if Pat and Famous South Dakota think Snowden is a Disney character.lol

Jason ‏@FamousinSD
@cronosscott @JeffMonson @TopTierMMA @patmiletich Scott you are too clever. I'm sure your husband loves your sense of humor. and what was your ignorant quip about insults? Yeah...... entertain us Scott, tell us how many times you or your friends lives were on the line and you had to rely on a signal intelligence gathering system for targeting data that could save lives or without it you could be walking into a f---ing death trap

Jeff Monson ‏@JeffMonson
dressing up in a costume and shooting people is not a job. your "job" is no more honorable than being one of Hitler's SS men & you do no less harm

Pat Miletich ‏@patmiletich
@JeffMonson @FamousinSD @cronosscott @TopTierMMA What on earth are you babbling about, Monson?

Jason ‏@FamousinSD
lmao! Are you f---ing serious right now?Tsunami hit Thailand? I was there. tribal violence killing thousands? I was there. What the f---have you done? last time I checked its what laid down the foundation for ungrateful men like you to spew that hot garbage you call an opinion out

Jeff Monson ‏@JeffMonson
@FamousinSD @cronosscott @toptiermma @patmiletich it is sad that you and many others have been brainwashed into thinking the world can be turned into a better place by the end of a rifle. Violence has never produced equality or lasting harmony. Rationalizing that killing people makes the world a better place doesn't mean it's true. History proves as much

Fa-T ‏@Slikk82
@JeffMonson @patmiletich Jeff, I'm so glad that people like u exist. Gives me hope in mankind. Always been a huge fan and now even more so.

Pat Miletich ‏@patmiletich
@Slikk82 @JeffMonson You're high


6/27/13 10:07 AM
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This just in... We landed on the moon!!! This was news a year or two ago. Phone Post 3.0
6/27/13 10:11 AM
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Monson should go on rogans podcast
6/27/13 10:14 AM
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I. AM. SHOCKED.
6/27/13 10:22 AM
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Comparing our men and women in uniform to Hitler's SS? Monson has officially jumped the shark.
6/27/13 10:30 AM
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Monson sounds like your typical college student on the OG, probably heavily influenced by Noam Chomsky and the like.
6/27/13 10:30 AM
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I think Monson's description of Miletich was pretty spot on. It seemed as though Monson was trying to have an intelligent debate and Pat had no real answer so jumped to bullying instead.

Although I think Monson's dialogue with the soldier took an extreme turn haha
6/27/13 11:00 AM
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Monson is like a Justin Wren....except not actually out there in the trenches trying to make the world a better place. Phone Post
6/27/13 11:03 AM
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zebers3 - I think Monson's description of Miletich was pretty spot on. It seemed as though Monson was trying to have an intelligent debate and Pat had no real answer so jumped to bullying instead.

Although I think Monson's dialogue with the soldier took an extreme turn haha

I kind of agree, i get what he's trying to say with the ss comparison, but its inaccurate, and in piss poor taste.
6/27/13 11:06 AM
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Devlin - 
zebers3 - I think Monson's description of Miletich was pretty spot on. It seemed as though Monson was trying to have an intelligent debate and Pat had no real answer so jumped to bullying instead.

Although I think Monson's dialogue with the soldier took an extreme turn haha

I kind of agree, i get what he's trying to say with the ss comparison, but its inaccurate, and in piss poor taste.

Miletich is embarrassing when he tries to discuss politics and is actually scary in his beliefs and this is coming from a life long republican.
6/27/13 11:09 AM
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I agree with Monson about the military and its servicemen.

Fighting 'for your country' does not make the 'fight' just.

This isn't a pop at servicemen as they clearly give their lives to a cause they believe is a worthy one.

I just don't buy the BS reasons governments give for going to war (in most cases, not all). Phone Post 3.0
6/27/13 11:13 AM
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Monson is an exceptionally intelligent and correct individual Phone Post
6/27/13 11:18 AM
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If capitalism, according to the tattoo on Monson's head, is one man taking from another at the point of a gun, I'd like for him to explain why the living standards of everyone in capitalist countries rises together, albeit at different speeds.
6/27/13 11:25 AM
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Everyone involved in that conversation comes off as a dope. I was kinda with Monson for a while there but comparing our military with the SS is a little overboard for my tastes.

LOL @ Miletich sucking up to Michelle Malkin. Good lord.
6/27/13 11:34 AM
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I'm a Jew, my dad was a holocaust survivor and my opinion is that Monson's nazi comparison is quite fair.
I love Israel, but I don't support the actions of its gov't or military and many (including Israelis/Jews) have compared their actions to Nazis, apartheid, etc. because it's a COMPARISON, a way of pointing out how bad that behaviour is.

Because I care about and feel connected to Israel, I take responsibility by learning as much as i can, looking for understanding and truth and trying to work towards peace, because only peace keeps people safe, not war and hatred. That does not make me entitled, self-hating, Israel-bashing or irresponsible.

The same goes for Monson as an American. If Americans never spoke up, you'd still have slavery, no civil rights, no women's rights, no peace movement (like the one that helped stop the Vietnam war), etc. etc.

Militech and the others defending him are REACTING but not REFLECTING. Being an American is not supposed to be about closing your eyes and ears, it's supposed to be about liberty and freedom and peace. It's not so crazy to imagine corrupt politicians and big business playing with those ideals to encourage war for profits...

And, Jason@famousSD, that information is indeed available on the internet and also in BOOKS!! (and documentary film and television too for those who don't read!)
6/27/13 11:37 AM
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MushroomHead -  Monson is like a Justin Wren....except not actually out there in the trenches trying to make the world a better place. Phone Post

Er I'd be pretty sure they have pretty different idealogical & religious views too
6/27/13 11:42 AM
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WAR Monson. Don't agree with everything he says, but he's obviously the more measured, respectful and intelligent of the two.
6/27/13 11:45 AM
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matt murdock - If capitalism, according to the tattoo on Monson's head, is one man taking from another at the point of a gun, I'd like for him to explain why the living standards of everyone in capitalist countries rises together, albeit at different speeds.
#'s.....%'s..... countries? just wondering if you know so I can too Phone Post 3.0
6/27/13 12:17 PM
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Monson is a worthless piece of shit Phone Post 3.0
6/27/13 12:19 PM
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2JupitersTooMany - WAR Monson. Don't agree with everything he says, but he's obviously the more measured, respectful and intelligent of the two.

Yep. Like how he accused Pat Miletich of being OK with the Holocaust and assorted other bullshit.

What's discouraging is how many people are incapable of distinguishing between pretentious, stilted writing and a well reasoned argument. Neither of them are particularly bright.
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I don't understand how anyone could side with an individual who compares troops with the SS or infer that their careers aren't legit and they are just playing " dress up " and shooting people. Phone Post 3.0
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2JupitersTooMany - WAR Monson. Don't agree with everything he says, but he's obviously the more measured, respectful and intelligent of the two.

Yep. Like how he accused Pat Miletich of being OK with the Holocaust and assorted other bullshit.

What's discouraging is how many people are incapable of distinguishing between pretentious, stilted writing and a well reasoned argument. Neither of them are particularly bright.

I think the difference for me is that Monson is just saying what he believes, but Miletich comes across as this angry reactionary who initiates making things personal with childish insults. Militech is a great coach and I'm sure a good man in many ways, but he has always struck me that way I guess. I've talked to Monson in the past and he seemed like this very gentle soul, and I had no inclination to think highly of him then, he just seemed very reserved.
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As someone with a formal education in logic and philosophy, I can say that while I'm probably philosophically closer to Monson, he's not going to win any legitimate debates or pass any logic tests with his position.

He was definitely the aggressor here. People saying Pat resorted to bullying obviously didn't read the text.

The frightening thing is that people will actually listen to Monson, a man who, in one giant paragraph, both accused someone of standing on a soapbox and refusing to acknowledge other opinions (which he himself was doing) and stating that pat's "opinion doesn't mean a thing." That's some pretty intense reactionary stuff that is the foundation of the things he supposedly is opposed to.
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Akston - Monson is an exceptionally intelligent and correct individual Phone Post
Could there really be this many dumb fucking idiots in the world. What a shame that a country can do so much for the world and guys like jeff monsoon can read books filled with propaganda and discredit a lot of it. He talks about things that happened so far in our past that they are irrelevant to this point. Monsoon acts like he's the only one with a education that knows about the past. I don't hear monsoon caring about the senseless murders of 9/11 no instead scumbags like him just blow it off either saying we deserved it or America orchestrated it. I compare monsoon to one of those dick wads who find a modified version of the real Koran and then think they are fighting a holy war.

WAR AMERICA

Go fight the good fight in Syria jeff nobody gives a fuk what u think at least I don't. Phone Post
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Great thread i am new here gone through this post it was great to read and very meaningful

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