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kyle223 - Not a big Silva fan, but Silva beats Jones 10 times out of 10 if Jones doesn't have his 84" reach and huge body type. Not Jones' fault that he utilizes his body to his advantage, but without his long ass reach, I don't see how people can sit there and think he'd still be as dominant as he's been. Listen to Joe Rogan during a Jones fight. He constantly says how Jones is able to dictate fights using his size and reach advantage. I think most MMA fighters will say reach is one of the biggest advantages in fighting.

I still think Jones would be a very good fighter, as he's extremely athletic, motivated, and very smart, but without the reach, he doesn't break the LHW record for most title defenses, and he definitely doesn't beat Silva.

Not sure why I'm arguing hypotheticals lol, but that's my opinion.
Sorry, I just read your first sentence. You are not a Silva fan? How can you not be??? Phone Post 3.0

I should have said he's not one of my favorites. It doesn't take away from the fact that he's incredible to watch.

Ya, and if Nick Diaz had a glass chin he wouldn't be as good, if Hendo had zero power he wouldn't be as good, if Lesnar was very weak he wouldn't be as good, if Nolan Ryan only had an 80mph fastball he wouldn't be as good, if Vince Carter only had a 15" vertical he wouldn't be as good, and on and on and on. All fighters/athletes have advantages. If you think Anderson's speed, chin, skill are not God given talents, you're wrong.

^ This response is pretty much unfuckwithable. I grappled with the advantage Jones' reach gifts him just cause it seems so obsene but truth is everything a fighter possesses falls under the exact same umbrella.

Also, Jones would finish Silva imo. Silva always has a chance but the odds would have to favour Jones.

 

They do not all fall under the same umbrella at all. See last post on last page.

 

7/2/13 12:00 AM
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kyle223 - Not a big Silva fan, but Silva beats Jones 10 times out of 10 if Jones doesn't have his 84" reach and huge body type. Not Jones' fault that he utilizes his body to his advantage, but without his long ass reach, I don't see how people can sit there and think he'd still be as dominant as he's been. Listen to Joe Rogan during a Jones fight. He constantly says how Jones is able to dictate fights using his size and reach advantage. I think most MMA fighters will say reach is one of the biggest advantages in fighting.

I still think Jones would be a very good fighter, as he's extremely athletic, motivated, and very smart, but without the reach, he doesn't break the LHW record for most title defenses, and he definitely doesn't beat Silva.

Not sure why I'm arguing hypotheticals lol, but that's my opinion.
Sorry, I just read your first sentence. You are not a Silva fan? How can you not be??? Phone Post 3.0

I should have said he's not one of my favorites. It doesn't take away from the fact that he's incredible to watch.

Ya, and if Nick Diaz had a glass chin he wouldn't be as good, if Hendo had zero power he wouldn't be as good, if Lesnar was very weak he wouldn't be as good, if Nolan Ryan only had an 80mph fastball he wouldn't be as good, if Vince Carter only had a 15" vertical he wouldn't be as good, and on and on and on. All fighters/athletes have advantages. If you think Anderson's speed, chin, skill are not God given talents, you're wrong.

Oh so now you're going to tell us all that we are wrong if we don't believe in God?

 

GTFO with that shit...

 

Also, on a serious note, Anderson has spent YEARS developing his chin, speed, skill to get them where they are. 

Jon Jones would have his massive size advantage over the division if he never trained a day in his life. That's the real difference, and what makes your comparisons silly.


If all it took was experience to have the skills, speed, timing, and chin of Anderson, there would be a lot more Anderson Silvas out there. If you think Anderson is just a regular joe-schmoe that turned into his current self from training alone, I don't know what to tell you. He's a natural talent and has used his years of experience to maximize him potential. Out of curiosity, how many times a week do you think he just stands there and lets his training partners blast him in the face to "develop his chin," as you say?

And stop with the "massive size of Jones" bs. Jones has a reach advantage, slight height advantage, leg size disadvantage, and has never once been close to missing weight. I know if makes you feel better as an Anderson fan to try and minimize any of Jones skills and accomplishments, but you're transparent.
7/2/13 12:17 AM
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LILBROCK:

Name another dominant champion who had an advantage in all three major facets of size anywhere near Jones' over his opponents...

 

Either way you slice it, he never fights anyone his own size. Bonnar was the closest years ago. Meanwhile Anderson and GSP have been outsided in their fights, which will never happen with Jones unless he moves up.

 

Of course Anderson and Bones both have amazing talents and gifts, that niether would be the same without. 

There is still a difference between size, which Jones would always have, and skillsets that are achieved with the combination of natural talent and rigorous training. Every major combat sport expert will tell you flat out that having a size advantage is always a benefit/advantage. Only someone as talented as Jones would be able to maximize that benefit/advantage. He is an amazing athlete and very very skilled. He uses his size advantage better than anyone I have ever seen, and its not even close really. 

 

His size advantage over everyone at LHW and below is the main reason I cannot put him above a GSP/Anderson/Aldo in MY P4P ranking. If relative size were equal amung them, Anderson is the best fighter of them all. 

7/2/13 12:19 AM
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I think he's serious. And honest.

In my opinion, he's giving you his basic assessment of his strengths and weaknesses versus Jones', and demonstrating just a fraction of the analytical and emotionless fight analysis he brings at the outset of every aspect of shaping his game plan for each fight.

The type of guy who'd just candidly admit this to the media is EXACTLY the type of guy that would dismantle lesser fighters as Silva has for years now. Like a surgeon. Phone Post 3.0
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After the Weidman fight is over I'm going to laugh when Silva accepts the Jones fight.


And when Silva loses he was just trolling everyone, right?
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Gotta like Anderson's thinking here. I think he's right, except anything can happen in a fight.
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kyle223 - Not a big Silva fan, but Silva beats Jones 10 times out of 10 if Jones doesn't have his 84" reach and huge body type. Not Jones' fault that he utilizes his body to his advantage, but without his long ass reach, I don't see how people can sit there and think he'd still be as dominant as he's been. Listen to Joe Rogan during a Jones fight. He constantly says how Jones is able to dictate fights using his size and reach advantage. I think most MMA fighters will say reach is one of the biggest advantages in fighting.

I still think Jones would be a very good fighter, as he's extremely athletic, motivated, and very smart, but without the reach, he doesn't break the LHW record for most title defenses, and he definitely doesn't beat Silva.

Not sure why I'm arguing hypotheticals lol, but that's my opinion.
Sorry, I just read your first sentence. You are not a Silva fan? How can you not be??? Phone Post 3.0

I should have said he's not one of my favorites. It doesn't take away from the fact that he's incredible to watch.

Ya, and if Nick Diaz had a glass chin he wouldn't be as good, if Hendo had zero power he wouldn't be as good, if Lesnar was very weak he wouldn't be as good, if Nolan Ryan only had an 80mph fastball he wouldn't be as good, if Vince Carter only had a 15" vertical he wouldn't be as good, and on and on and on. All fighters/athletes have advantages. If you think Anderson's speed, chin, skill are not God given talents, you're wrong.

Oh so now you're going to tell us all that we are wrong if we don't believe in God?

 

GTFO with that shit...

 

Also, on a serious note, Anderson has spent YEARS developing his chin, speed, skill to get them where they are. 

Jon Jones would have his massive size advantage over the division if he never trained a day in his life. That's the real difference, and what makes your comparisons silly.

I'm pretty positive that if JBJ hadn't trained, he wouldn't be champion. But yeah he'd still have size and reach. Same reason Stephan Struve is HW Champ.

Size difference or not, both Jones and Anderson have trained hard, as well as being smart using their natural talents. Thats why they are both where they are at. Phone Post 3.0
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LILBROCK:

Name another dominant champion who had an advantage in all three major facets of size anywhere near Jones' over his opponents...

 

Either way you slice it, he never fights anyone his own size. Bonnar was the closest years ago. Meanwhile Anderson and GSP have been outsided in their fights, which will never happen with Jones unless he moves up.

 

Of course Anderson and Bones both have amazing talents and gifts, that niether would be the same without. 

There is still a difference between size, which Jones would always have, and skillsets that are achieved with the combination of natural talent and rigorous training. Every major combat sport expert will tell you flat out that having a size advantage is always a benefit/advantage. Only someone as talented as Jones would be able to maximize that benefit/advantage. He is an amazing athlete and very very skilled. He uses his size advantage better than anyone I have ever seen, and its not even close really. 

 

His size advantage over everyone at LHW and below is the main reason I cannot put him above a GSP/Anderson/Aldo in MY P4P ranking. If relative size were equal amung them, Anderson is the best fighter of them all. 


"Name another dominant champion who had an advantage in all three major facets of size anywhere near Jones' over his opponents..."

Ha...this pretty much proves my point for me. Most others that are tall, lanky and long for their weight class (Struve, Grove, Corey Hill, Saunders, etc..) are not dominant. If someone is taller like Jones, they are not going to be as stalky/strong as someone like a Lombard and generally don't have the highest cardio level. If they have very long arms, they're typically awkward and won't have the short, clean, crisp, powerful boxing of someone like Sherk.

As far as height goes, Mighty Mouse, Cruz, Barao, Aldo, Bendo, GSP, Anderson, nor Cain are the tallest in their weight classes. None of them have the longest reach. With regards to weight, we've already established Jones to be around 223 (on average) and the rest of the division 220-225. Even at 220, that's about a 1.5% difference in weight between Jones and the average LHW. Don't act like a few percentage points is uncommon in all other weight classes either.

Keep trying. For every "advantage" you claim Jones has, it can also be looked at as a disadvantage. You ever trained? You don't think it's easier to catch someone with very long arms, legs, and neck in submissions versus a little pitbull type with no neck and t-rex arms?
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kyle223 - Not a big Silva fan, but Silva beats Jones 10 times out of 10 if Jones doesn't have his 84" reach and huge body type. Not Jones' fault that he utilizes his body to his advantage, but without his long ass reach, I don't see how people can sit there and think he'd still be as dominant as he's been. Listen to Joe Rogan during a Jones fight. He constantly says how Jones is able to dictate fights using his size and reach advantage. I think most MMA fighters will say reach is one of the biggest advantages in fighting.

I still think Jones would be a very good fighter, as he's extremely athletic, motivated, and very smart, but without the reach, he doesn't break the LHW record for most title defenses, and he definitely doesn't beat Silva.

Not sure why I'm arguing hypotheticals lol, but that's my opinion.

see this is the shit im talking bout.i quit reading after first sentence.if anyone is winning 10 out of 10 its jbj and even that sounds dumb as fuck saying.at least be realistic.not even andy, or his momma believe he would win 7 out of 10 times.yet there are others that think he probably wins 11 out of 10 times...it makes no fucking sense what so ever in any world.
if jbj had the same reach than andy it wouldnt be the end all be all of the fight.his length only inhances the skill he has that would already beat you most of the time...i do agree his chances of losing would increase.but to say "if reach were the same he loses all the time" is to fucking far fetched for my liking.
So do you honestly believe, if Anderson and Jones had the exact same dimensions, Jones would still be an even bet, or would he be the underdog/favorite? Phone Post

i honestly believe he would be a slight favorite.i think he still would have enough skills to take down andy some how even with the exact same reach.and i def dont think his g-n-p would suffer that drastically because his arms are a lil shorter.his top game to me is stronger than what ever bottom game andy would bring.he would stil have a tricky slick vicious top ground game and he stil wil be a lil bigger and stronger.its just my opinion and i dont mind if others differs from mine at all.i know andy could beat jbj regardless of the reach difference too, and thats why i want to see that fight.i just want to see it all actually unfold rt before my eyes.
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For some reason I just don't think this Super fight will ever happen nor should it probably happen. Just lets' stay away from the super fight shit. Tjey have weight classes for a freaking reason. Let him take all commers at middle weight, the same for GSP. Now Bones is a skinny 205 to begin with and should go to HW.

I'd LOVE to see how he compares with people nearer his own size.

WAR Anderson. I voted for him for the ESPY
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Silva has been known to troll ppl from time to time...
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goldenboyart - For some reason I just don't think this Super fight will ever happen nor should it probably happen. Just lets' stay away from the super fight shit. Tjey have weight classes for a freaking reason. Let him take all commers at middle weight, the same for GSP. Now Bones is a skinny 205 to begin with and should go to HW.

I'd LOVE to see how he compares with people nearer his own size.

WAR Anderson. I voted for him for the ESPY

The 10 - 15 pounds difference between weight classes in the UFC is tremendous (compared to boxing anyway). Hopefully they will create more classes in the future and we can see guys move up and capture multiple titles. Was exciting watching Pac Man do it.
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how much did his price go up with that comment?

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LILBROCK:

Name another dominant champion who had an advantage in all three major facets of size anywhere near Jones' over his opponents...

 

Either way you slice it, he never fights anyone his own size. Bonnar was the closest years ago. Meanwhile Anderson and GSP have been outsided in their fights, which will never happen with Jones unless he moves up.

 

Of course Anderson and Bones both have amazing talents and gifts, that niether would be the same without. 

There is still a difference between size, which Jones would always have, and skillsets that are achieved with the combination of natural talent and rigorous training. Every major combat sport expert will tell you flat out that having a size advantage is always a benefit/advantage. Only someone as talented as Jones would be able to maximize that benefit/advantage. He is an amazing athlete and very very skilled. He uses his size advantage better than anyone I have ever seen, and its not even close really. 

 

His size advantage over everyone at LHW and below is the main reason I cannot put him above a GSP/Anderson/Aldo in MY P4P ranking. If relative size were equal amung them, Anderson is the best fighter of them all. 


"Name another dominant champion who had an advantage in all three major facets of size anywhere near Jones' over his opponents..."

Ha...this pretty much proves my point for me. Most others that are tall, lanky and long for their weight class (Struve, Grove, Corey Hill, Saunders, etc..) are not dominant. If someone is taller like Jones, they are not going to be as stalky/strong as someone like a Lombard and generally don't have the highest cardio level. If they have very long arms, they're typically awkward and won't have the short, clean, crisp, powerful boxing of someone like Sherk.

As far as height goes, Mighty Mouse, Cruz, Barao, Aldo, Bendo, GSP, Anderson, nor Cain are the tallest in their weight classes. None of them have the longest reach. With regards to weight, we've already established Jones to be around 223 (on average) and the rest of the division 220-225. Even at 220, that's about a 1.5% difference in weight between Jones and the average LHW. Don't act like a few percentage points is uncommon in all other weight classes either.

Keep trying. For every "advantage" you claim Jones has, it can also be looked at as a disadvantage. You ever trained? You don't think it's easier to catch someone with very long arms, legs, and neck in submissions versus a little pitbull type with no neck and t-rex arms?

You lost me when you claimed "the rest of the division 220-225"

 

We are comparing them to their opponents, and dont even try and pretend that Machida/Rashad/Shogun were anywhere near that. Of his title defenses only Rampage was close to him in weight. Maybe Sonnen.

You have to reach back further into his career to find anyone else 220+ in the cage. 

Vera was probably the closest overall of anyone. 

 

So you are comparing Jones, a guy who RARELY has people weight as much, and NEVER has guys as tall/long, to two other dominant champions who have been smaller than quite a few of their opponents, and lighter as well. 

 

You can point to the long lanky fighter who are not wrestlers and nowhere near as well rounded all you want. I ahev already conceded how talented and amazing Jones is. Your little head just cannot comprehend that someone can think jones is amazing, but also realize the physical  size advantages he has over the competition.

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when did i say i hope he loses? all im saying is jbj would win that or at the min be a huge threat and a outrageous task for andy to handle. andy knows this,but his delusional fans dont...and so fucking what about him sayin that they are all better fighters...maybe he truly believes that.

and that dont matter any way cause a fight w fedor or bj made no sense any time.him and jbj are close enough to fight to actually find out...but someone does not want to find out cause they think they already know the likely out come.

So his fans have a difference of opinion than you which makes them 'delusional'?

You need a show on Fox news.

The only reason guys like you want Anderson and Jones to fight is because it kills 2 birds with one stone, somebody you hate is going to lose.

Professional frisbee needs fans.


yea thats it, just cause they have different opinion.gtfo out here w that.im far from shallow and ignorant like that...the guy actually involved probably knows more about himself then you i or anyone else.i dont like how his fans try to tell other people what he really thinks and means all the fucking time and have a double standard for shit he does and says.that shit rubs me the wrong way.o,and can you read?i dont hate jbj or andy one bit.

the only reason i want to see this fight is cause its two of the baddest motherfuckers ever and would be an excellent fucking mma match!

Yea, and he knows that BJ Penn would beat his ass too. GTFO with your version of common sense. Anderson wouldn't be Anderson if he wasn't saying he's a worse fighter than anybody who's done anything. The only double standard is sitting around waiting for a statement by Anderson that confirms that you are somehow right yet the fight hasn't happend. I can only imagine your self-satifisfaction when you saw the thread title.

LMAO


come on man,your so far off base its not even funny.all you keep saying is i dont like andy.and thats not even close to the truth.or you cant read cause i've stated numerous times that im a fan of andy also.i dont base my opinion on how a fight would go down cause of who i do or dont like.thats fucking ridiculous.

even more ridiculous is your first sentence.just because he thinks bj is the best doesent mean he thinks bj penn would beat his ass and i have no idea how in the world you came to that conclusion. like someone already posted long ago,he could be talking more in a p4p in prime sense.which is not that absurd at all.at times they both fought some top notch comp aqainst significantly heavier men and or at a higher weight class than they had to in all reality.a lot of the time being successful including a few titles here and there for them.

you make it sound like bj and fedor or royce really never did much.also that andy would say just about any recent legend is better than he, and thats a fact cause you can read his mind.i dont see it that way at all.and i dont think that means anderson doesent believe he could beat any of them either.but maybe he understand that him running thru four dudes in a open weight tournament with no time limits is not guaranteed for him.or that moving up and being a two division champ is not guaranteed.or maybe he thinks if they all were the exact same weight,height and reach that they would beat him.

who the fuck really knows what he believes.thats my point,dont try and make it seem like what ever you think about it is indeed a fact.cause its not.
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kyle223 - Not a big Silva fan, but Silva beats Jones 10 times out of 10 if Jones doesn't have his 84" reach and huge body type. Not Jones' fault that he utilizes his body to his advantage, but without his long ass reach, I don't see how people can sit there and think he'd still be as dominant as he's been. Listen to Joe Rogan during a Jones fight. He constantly says how Jones is able to dictate fights using his size and reach advantage. I think most MMA fighters will say reach is one of the biggest advantages in fighting.

I still think Jones would be a very good fighter, as he's extremely athletic, motivated, and very smart, but without the reach, he doesn't break the LHW record for most title defenses, and he definitely doesn't beat Silva.

Not sure why I'm arguing hypotheticals lol, but that's my opinion.

see this is the shit im talking bout.i quit reading after first sentence.if anyone is winning 10 out of 10 its jbj and even that sounds dumb as fuck saying.at least be realistic.not even andy, or his momma believe he would win 7 out of 10 times.yet there are others that think he probably wins 11 out of 10 times...it makes no fucking sense what so ever in any world.
if jbj had the same reach than andy it wouldnt be the end all be all of the fight.his length only inhances the skill he has that would already beat you most of the time...i do agree his chances of losing would increase.but to say "if reach were the same he loses all the time" is to fucking far fetched for my liking.
So do you honestly believe, if Anderson and Jones had the exact same dimensions, Jones would still be an even bet, or would he be the underdog/favorite? Phone Post

i honestly believe he would be a slight favorite.i think he still would have enough skills to take down andy some how even with the exact same reach.and i def dont think his g-n-p would suffer that drastically because his arms are a lil shorter.his top game to me is stronger than what ever bottom game andy would bring.he would stil have a tricky slick vicious top ground game and he stil wil be a lil bigger and stronger.its just my opinion and i dont mind if others differs from mine at all.i know andy could beat jbj regardless of the reach difference too, and thats why i want to see that fight.i just want to see it all actually unfold rt before my eyes.

Everything about his ground game is based on his length. Those elbows and GnP would certainly change if he were the same size as Andy. GnP ihas a lot to do with leverage, and leverage comes from length.

His ability to get inside for a TD also has a lot to do with his length. Even at his current real size he could never really get inside on Machida and was stuffed a few times. If he shrank I don't think Silva would be taken down with ease. 

 

Anyways thats all fictional and I agree 100% that I would just love to see the damn fight. :-)

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This thread has wings.

I don't see the point in any of these "super fights". If a fighter wants to move up, or down, to the next division, great. But any catch weight fight is just bullshit. Phone Post
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kyle223 - Not a big Silva fan, but Silva beats Jones 10 times out of 10 if Jones doesn't have his 84" reach and huge body type. Not Jones' fault that he utilizes his body to his advantage, but without his long ass reach, I don't see how people can sit there and think he'd still be as dominant as he's been. Listen to Joe Rogan during a Jones fight. He constantly says how Jones is able to dictate fights using his size and reach advantage. I think most MMA fighters will say reach is one of the biggest advantages in fighting.

I still think Jones would be a very good fighter, as he's extremely athletic, motivated, and very smart, but without the reach, he doesn't break the LHW record for most title defenses, and he definitely doesn't beat Silva.

Not sure why I'm arguing hypotheticals lol, but that's my opinion.

see this is the shit im talking bout.i quit reading after first sentence.if anyone is winning 10 out of 10 its jbj and even that sounds dumb as fuck saying.at least be realistic.not even andy, or his momma believe he would win 7 out of 10 times.yet there are others that think he probably wins 11 out of 10 times...it makes no fucking sense what so ever in any world.
if jbj had the same reach than andy it wouldnt be the end all be all of the fight.his length only inhances the skill he has that would already beat you most of the time...i do agree his chances of losing would increase.but to say "if reach were the same he loses all the time" is to fucking far fetched for my liking.
So do you honestly believe, if Anderson and Jones had the exact same dimensions, Jones would still be an even bet, or would he be the underdog/favorite? Phone Post

i honestly believe he would be a slight favorite.i think he still would have enough skills to take down andy some how even with the exact same reach.and i def dont think his g-n-p would suffer that drastically because his arms are a lil shorter.his top game to me is stronger than what ever bottom game andy would bring.he would stil have a tricky slick vicious top ground game and he stil wil be a lil bigger and stronger.its just my opinion and i dont mind if others differs from mine at all.i know andy could beat jbj regardless of the reach difference too, and thats why i want to see that fight.i just want to see it all actually unfold rt before my eyes.

Everything about his ground game is based on his length. Those elbows and GnP would certainly change if he were the same size as Andy. GnP ihas a lot to do with leverage, and leverage comes from length.

His ability to get inside for a TD also has a lot to do with his length. Even at his current real size he could never really get inside on Machida and was stuffed a few times. If he shrank I don't think Silva would be taken down with ease. 

 

Anyways thats all fictional and I agree 100% that I would just love to see the damn fight. :-)


ok serious ?'s here. have you ever wrestled,boxed or done any related sport? have you ever played football?


dont get all semantical either please.you know very well what i mean. wrestling a friend one time does not count.nor does pop warner.
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Jones could grab Andy and throw him into the seats. Andy knows this.period. Phone Post 3.0
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All of sudden Anderson starts talking about potential opponents, and everyone on here takes the bait.


He's winning!!!!!!

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