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A regular job for 45K a year.

Fair or no? How would you feel?

I think this is the more important side to the pay discussion. Does being a 75/25 or 60/40 win/loss fighter earn you the right to never work a regular job again? Phone Post 3.0
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While it's really courageous what these guys do, especially compared to other sports it's still all about self worth and entertainment.

Making a real difference in life using these skills requires putting your philosophy out there in books and interviews. Being the best guy at caged fist fights still isn't the most important job at the moment.
7/3/13 9:07 PM
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All but the select top percentage of pro athletes work after they retire. Pro careers are often short, and a small % build enough wealth to never work again.
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Rickmassmma - All but the select top percentage of pro athletes work after they retire. Pro careers are often short, and a small % build enough wealth to never work again.

 

Not sure why anyone would hang their hat on retiring around 35 and being financially secure. That's just stupid, especially when you get punched in the head for a living. You better have a plan B and its irresponsible not to. LOL@ retiring early and not expecting you should get a job to sustain you and your family like everyone else does, until everyone else does, 65ish when they hope to call it quits and hit up social security.

Edited to add that if a fighter wasn't college educated before getting into the sport he should be pursuing his education during those years, if at all possible, especially if he's NOT having to work a full-time job to make ends meet. For a guy fighting 2-3 times per year there really is no excuse for NOT working on the plan B, IMO, unless he works full-time.

 

 

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7/3/13 9:15 PM
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It's like when Dana was trying to get Carwin to quit his full time engineering job.. Carwin got paid $40,000 for the Brock fight. How in the fuck could you ask someone to put their career on the line for that?
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Well sure, that's what I assume is meant by 'retire'. Doubt these guys just spend the next 40 years or so not doing anything. Phone Post 3.0
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nostripewhite - A regular job for 45K a year.

Fair or no? How would you feel?

I think this is the more important side to the pay discussion. Does being a 75/25 or 60/40 win/loss fighter earn you the right to never work a regular job again? Phone Post 3.0

Likely not. There is simply no way that the majority of UFC fighters are going to be able to retire on their UFC winnings.

A fighter would have to be making at least a half million to be able to save away enough to live for 40-50 years. And the UFC is not in a position to be paying the upper half (say 150) of the fighters at least a half million a year. Keep in mind that it would then mean that the upper half of that half would be making at least a million per year and the upper half of that half would be making 5-10 million a year.
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Rickmassmma - All but the select top percentage of pro athletes work after they retire. Pro careers are often short, and a small % build enough wealth to never work again.

 

Not sure why anyone would hang their hat on retiring around 35 and being financially secure. That's just stupid, especially when you get punched in the head for a living. You better have a plan B and its irresponsible not to. LOL@ retiring early and not expecting you should get a job to sustain you and your family like everyone else does, until everyone else does, 65ish when they hope to call it quits and hit up social security.

Edited to add that if a fighter wasn't college educated before getting into the sport he should be pursuing his education during those years, if at all possible, especially if he's NOT having to work a full-time job to make ends meet. For a guy fighting 2-3 times per year there really is no excuse for NOT working on the plan B, IMO, unless he works full-time.

 

 

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Incase u didnt notice, training is a full time job if you are in the ufc. Maybe you have the time, and its easy to sit back and say what u just did. but if u wanna compete at the highest level you better be at tbe gym 3x a day. Phone Post
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Unwariestpickle - It's like when Dana was trying to get Carwin to quit his full time engineering job.. Carwin got paid $40,000 for the Brock fight. How in the fuck could you ask someone to put their career on the line for that?

Pfft. Ask Shane if he only got 40k. He's a member here and probably posted about it.

Shane is smart in that he had a professional career with benefits that he depended on to support his family, not fighting. And he had the wisdom of understanding the reality that his time as a pro fighter was fleeting and unpredictable. Shane knew he would have many more years to support a family beyond the 5-10 years he would compete as a pro fighter so he better prepare for them. Fighters could learn a lot from Shane in this area.

Some guys roll the dice and go for it 100% and some make more reserved/safe and logical calls after much thought. There is an in-between, IMO.

 

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Rickmassmma - All but the select top percentage of pro athletes work after they retire. Pro careers are often short, and a small % build enough wealth to never work again.

 

Not sure why anyone would hang their hat on retiring around 35 and being financially secure. That's just stupid, especially when you get punched in the head for a living. You better have a plan B and its irresponsible not to. LOL@ retiring early and not expecting you should get a job to sustain you and your family like everyone else does, until everyone else does, 65ish when they hope to call it quits and hit up social security.

Edited to add that if a fighter wasn't college educated before getting into the sport he should be pursuing his education during those years, if at all possible, especially if he's NOT having to work a full-time job to make ends meet. For a guy fighting 2-3 times per year there really is no excuse for NOT working on the plan B, IMO, unless he works full-time.

 

 

Cindy

Incase u didnt notice, training is a full time job if you are in the ufc. Maybe you have the time, and its easy to sit back and say what u just did. but if u wanna compete at the highest level you better be at tbe gym 3x a day. Phone Post

 

LOL@ training and fighting 2/3 times a year making it impossible for you to go to school and establish a plan B, just in case you aren't a superstar! Since when were camps 6 months long? 12-16 weeks in the norm and with today's numerous combos of online and classroom college courses, NOT doing better is an excuse, IMO.

 

 

Cindy

7/3/13 9:41 PM
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A ton of professional athletes keep working after their careers. Whether it be back at a 9-5, as a spokes person, a trainer, signing autographs, publishing books, etc.

If a fighter doesn't have the ability to parlay their MMA experience into an MMa career, they better have a plan B.

I don't know the percentages but it seems like a lot of top level guys have some college experience (especially wrestlers) that they can fall back on.

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My friend was pretty surprised to hear a decent amount of fighters in the UFC have college degrees, but I pointed out that wrestling programs allow college scholarships so a lot of these guys have the best of both worlds.

Being a complete martial artist is only one aspect of living.
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My friend was pretty surprised to hear a decent amount of fighters in the UFC have college degrees, but I pointed out that wrestling programs allow college scholarships so a lot of these guys have the best of both worlds.

Being a complete martial artist is only one aspect of living.
7/3/13 9:55 PM
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What a stupid thread.
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Rickmassmma - All but the select top percentage of pro athletes work after they retire. Pro careers are often short, and a small % build enough wealth to never work again.

 

Not sure why anyone would hang their hat on retiring around 35 and being financially secure. That's just stupid, especially when you get punched in the head for a living. You better have a plan B and its irresponsible not to. LOL@ retiring early and not expecting you should get a job to sustain you and your family like everyone else does, until everyone else does, 65ish when they hope to call it quits and hit up social security.

Edited to add that if a fighter wasn't college educated before getting into the sport he should be pursuing his education during those years, if at all possible, especially if he's NOT having to work a full-time job to make ends meet. For a guy fighting 2-3 times per year there really is no excuse for NOT working on the plan B, IMO, unless he works full-time.

 

 

Cindy

Incase u didnt notice, training is a full time job if you are in the ufc. Maybe you have the time, and its easy to sit back and say what u just did. but if u wanna compete at the highest level you better be at tbe gym 3x a day. Phone Post
Agreed.


I feel like CindyO is either DW's second account or she is attached to his left nut.


A lot of these fighters are getting the shaft when it comes to pay in the UFC. It's even more sickening when you hear about Dana throwing down a fucking $10,000 tip for someone serving him food, WTF?

How bout you pay some of these guys/girls more who go out and put their life/health on the line, the fighters that make you that money. There are servers out there who have made more for serving DW food than some of the fighters who have fought for him.

Its even worse when Dana goes out and offers a fighter outside the UFC more money than his current ufc champ in that weight in making. Fuck that, take care of the guys busting their ass for you first, then worry about being greedy and snatching up fighters from other promotions.

It's not just fighting 3 times a year, these guys bust ass training every day/week so they can fight at the top level 3 times a year. Phone Post 3.0
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Rickmassmma - All but the select top percentage of pro athletes work after they retire. Pro careers are often short, and a small % build enough wealth to never work again.

 

Not sure why anyone would hang their hat on retiring around 35 and being financially secure. That's just stupid, especially when you get punched in the head for a living. You better have a plan B and its irresponsible not to. LOL@ retiring early and not expecting you should get a job to sustain you and your family like everyone else does, until everyone else does, 65ish when they hope to call it quits and hit up social security.

Edited to add that if a fighter wasn't college educated before getting into the sport he should be pursuing his education during those years, if at all possible, especially if he's NOT having to work a full-time job to make ends meet. For a guy fighting 2-3 times per year there really is no excuse for NOT working on the plan B, IMO, unless he works full-time.

 

 

Cindy

Incase u didnt notice, training is a full time job if you are in the ufc. Maybe you have the time, and its easy to sit back and say what u just did. but if u wanna compete at the highest level you better be at tbe gym 3x a day. Phone Post

 

LOL@ training and fighting 2/3 times a year making it impossible for you to go to school and establish a plan B, just in case you aren't a superstar! Since when were camps 6 months long? 12-16 weeks in the norm and with today's numerous combos of online and classroom college courses, NOT doing better is an excuse, IMO.

 

 

Cindy

Some people have kids to watch and cant afford baby sitters cuz they only get 3 fights a year. In the meantime ur job requires u to be in shape and ready when silva calls or Shelby so its pretty fucking hard ive seen it first hand plenty of times with UFC athletes. Most of them dont have sponsors paying em monthly so to make money thry must travel for autograph sigingins to make money to feed the family. U dont know shit besdies danas dick in ur mouth. You sit on the ug all day you have plenty of time. Phone Post
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Rickmassmma - All but the select top percentage of pro athletes work after they retire. Pro careers are often short, and a small % build enough wealth to never work again.

 

Not sure why anyone would hang their hat on retiring around 35 and being financially secure. That's just stupid, especially when you get punched in the head for a living. You better have a plan B and its irresponsible not to. LOL@ retiring early and not expecting you should get a job to sustain you and your family like everyone else does, until everyone else does, 65ish when they hope to call it quits and hit up social security.

Edited to add that if a fighter wasn't college educated before getting into the sport he should be pursuing his education during those years, if at all possible, especially if he's NOT having to work a full-time job to make ends meet. For a guy fighting 2-3 times per year there really is no excuse for NOT working on the plan B, IMO, unless he works full-time.

 

 

Cindy

Incase u didnt notice, training is a full time job if you are in the ufc. Maybe you have the time, and its easy to sit back and say what u just did. but if u wanna compete at the highest level you better be at tbe gym 3x a day. Phone Post
Agreed.


I feel like CindyO is either DW's second account or she is attached to his left nut.


A lot of these fighters are getting the shaft when it comes to pay in the UFC. It's even more sickening when you hear about Dana throwing down a fucking $10,000 tip for someone serving him food, WTF?

How bout you pay some of these guys/girls more who go out and put their life/health on the line, the fighters that make you that money. There are servers out there who have made more for serving DW food than some of the fighters who have fought for him.

Its even worse when Dana goes out and offers a fighter outside the UFC more money than his current ufc champ in that weight in making. Fuck that, take care of the guys busting their ass for you first, then worry about being greedy and snatching up fighters from other promotions.

It's not just fighting 3 times a year, these guys bust ass training every day/week so they can fight at the top level 3 times a year. Phone Post 3.0
Exactly, Cindy stick to sucking Dana's cock you are not an athlete employed by the ufc you dont know what these guys have to do to survive let alone what they have time for. Phone Post
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Unwariestpickle - It's like when Dana was trying to get Carwin to quit his full time engineering job.. Carwin got paid $40,000 for the Brock fight. How in the fuck could you ask someone to put their career on the line for that?

Pfft. Ask Shane if he only got 40k. He's a member here and probably posted about it.

Shane is smart in that he had a professional career with benefits that he depended on to support his family, not fighting. And he had the wisdom of understanding the reality that his time as a pro fighter was fleeting and unpredictable. Shane knew he would have many more years to support a family beyond the 5-10 years he would compete as a pro fighter so he better prepare for them. Fighters could learn a lot from Shane in this area.

Some guys roll the dice and go for it 100% and some make more reserved/safe and logical calls after much thought. There is an in-between, IMO.

 

Cindy


So a smart fighter will not go for it 100% and despite being in the "NFL" of MMA they should keep their day job. I guess you're right.

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Unwariestpickle - It's like when Dana was trying to get Carwin to quit his full time engineering job.. Carwin got paid $40,000 for the Brock fight. How in the fuck could you ask someone to put their career on the line for that?

Pfft. Ask Shane if he only got 40k. He's a member here and probably posted about it.

Shane is smart in that he had a professional career with benefits that he depended on to support his family, not fighting. And he had the wisdom of understanding the reality that his time as a pro fighter was fleeting and unpredictable. Shane knew he would have many more years to support a family beyond the 5-10 years he would compete as a pro fighter so he better prepare for them. Fighters could learn a lot from Shane in this area.

Some guys roll the dice and go for it 100% and some make more reserved/safe and logical calls after much thought. There is an in-between, IMO.

 

Cindy


So a smart fighter will not go for it 100% and despite being in the "NFL" of MMA they should keep their day job. I guess you're right.


Seems like a legit deal



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7/3/13 10:38 PM
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Rickmassmma - All but the select top percentage of pro athletes work after they retire. Pro careers are often short, and a small % build enough wealth to never work again.

 

Not sure why anyone would hang their hat on retiring around 35 and being financially secure. That's just stupid, especially when you get punched in the head for a living. You better have a plan B and its irresponsible not to. LOL@ retiring early and not expecting you should get a job to sustain you and your family like everyone else does, until everyone else does, 65ish when they hope to call it quits and hit up social security.

Edited to add that if a fighter wasn't college educated before getting into the sport he should be pursuing his education during those years, if at all possible, especially if he's NOT having to work a full-time job to make ends meet. For a guy fighting 2-3 times per year there really is no excuse for NOT working on the plan B, IMO, unless he works full-time.

 

 

Cindy

Incase u didnt notice, training is a full time job if you are in the ufc. Maybe you have the time, and its easy to sit back and say what u just did. but if u wanna compete at the highest level you better be at tbe gym 3x a day. Phone Post

You could still go to school FT.
I know plenty of people who worked FT jobs (40+ hours a week plus 10 hours traveling to work) and still went to school FT. It can be done.
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7/3/13 10:40 PM
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one day the sport will get to where everyone seems to want it to be, but that day is not now.

If you look back at the history of all the major sports, at the lifecycle of the leagues, there was a time when all players worked other jobs in the offseason and most definitely continued with a profession when their playing days were over.

When Stan Musial was a three-time MVP, he still sold Christmas trees from a lot. Yogi Berra used to sell men's suits at a department store in between seasons, as did countless other hall-of-famers. Hell, you could field an all-time dream team of MLB talent that sold used cars in the winter.

Players were still working 2nd jobs as late as the end of the 1970's. Still to this day, lower-tier draftees, without the big slotted signing bonuses, pump gas and work at Sam's Club to make ends meet.

It'll come, but to expect it now, from a sport that was on life support just 8 years ago, is a little much.
7/3/13 10:42 PM
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nostripewhite - A regular job for 45K a year.

Fair or no? How would you feel?

I think this is the more important side to the pay discussion. Does being a 75/25 or 60/40 win/loss fighter earn you the right to never work a regular job again? Phone Post 3.0

UFC has what 350 people on it's roster, how many professional sports exist where the 350th best in the world can make 32k + potential of 6 figures in bonuses (win and fight night).
Not many to be honest.

Plenty of people who do sports for a living would LOVE to make that much. You guys all like to compare UFC fighters to NFL, NBA, MLB, etc... but those sports have been around far longer.

I believe someone had a thread on here not long ago comparing it to tennis and they made crap at that level.

Lastly, the barrier to entry to the UFC is far less then the sports you guys compare pay to. You know how many people grow up wanting to be a NFL star, now compare that to a UFC fighter.
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That's a reasonable post mose, but how many of those people like Stan the Man or Yogi were training nearly full time in the off season? Players in the old days went from working their off season jobs to working themselves into shape in camp. These fighters are training year round to some extent.
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The problem is fame.

Even the modicum of fame from fighting in the UFC can go to your head.

So, a guy who was used to message boards fellating him because "OMG he is in the UFC and responds to ME!" and the whole cutting the line at the club with free drinks and the occasional photo opp feeds that.

To go from even just being noticed on Twitter and at an event to working for a boss and not being special is something few can handle.

It felt too good to be the cool guy at the gym or the after party or an appearance at a BWW.

THAT is what will keep many from becoming a regular ass civilian.

Ego.

It's hard to go from being on stage to working at a desk (if lucky) and hearing "Wow. Didn't you use to be on TV?"

Which leads people who don't know pay scale to think either

A. Fighters aren't paid dick.

Or
B. You blew your money. Phone Post

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