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7/8/13 1:56 AM
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Re-watched it as well,,it was not a work, Anderson didn't throw the fight etc..Weidman patiently waited and capitalized when the opportunity presented itself..Weidman beats him in the rematch also..
7/8/13 2:47 AM
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I feel like the line is this:

If Anderson had gone in there focused, hands up, in proper stance, would he have beat Weidman? I think most would say absolutely (and I agree).

But he didn't. He took the mind games too far and got caught. Doesn't mean Chris didn't earn it or deserve it. The problem is that everyone knows Anderson fucked around way too much. Is that his fault because he chose that game plan? Of course. But it still wasn't an Anderson Silva that was going in there hell bent on beating his opponent.
7/8/13 2:55 AM
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For Caught_clean:

 

 

 

 


"Literally" huh...

Kinda seems less effective when it's a lie, but that's what trolling has become these days.
7/8/13 3:43 AM
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Chaelismyhero - If Anderson didn't get KTFO and lost, he would have had won bro. Anderson wanted to get KTFO.

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Some serious denial going on today.

Some truly pathetic ass shit. Phone Post 3.0
7/8/13 4:06 AM
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Here is something the TS and all who so adimatley believe Chris had nothing for Anderson.

What would have happened if Anderson kept landing and started trying to finish and Chris took all of it and kept going? What would happen if the attacks Anderson was landing lead to Chris taking him down? Much easier to defend a TD when you are just pot shotting and waiting for TD.

Here is my point, nobody here knows what would have happened if Anderson didn't clown and try and bait Chris into a recklessly attacking. Chris was very patient and Anderson taunted more because he had to. The only thing we know is Chris knocked Anderson out where Silva believed he was safe. He wasn't clowning on the ground.

Everything outside of what happened during the fight is just "what if". Phone Post
7/8/13 4:07 AM
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AFC1281 - For fucks sake, Weidman was already gassed in the 2nd rd. If he had anything for Silva, why was it he wasn't able to hurt him when Silva gave him free shots? Also, Silva has always let his opponents take him down in the 1st rnd.

Does anyone recall the 2nd Sonnen fight? Same shit happened. Silva wasn't hurt at all from Weidman's groundn'pound. Chris got the 1st, but Silva would've and should have taken him out in that round. Silva just fucked up, and it cost him.

Also, that match was stopped to early. Normally, I wouldn't say it or care for Silva, but that was stopped too quickly, with no time to recover or defend. And where were Machida and Seagal at?
Gassed??? What on earth are you talking about? Phone Post
7/8/13 4:48 AM
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Buddy, Anderson at no point was ever winning that fight. Weidman was fighting his fight, he got the takedown and was working the GNP, he was slipping Anderson's punches. Taunting your opponent in hopes that he strikes with you because you don't want to get taken down does not mean that you're winning
7/8/13 6:08 AM
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" You don't get to make your fuckin little predictions about the rematch and saunter around pretending they hold any weight.  There's no reason for anyone to believe you.  You were DEAD wrong and you acted like stuck up little shits on this subject for just about a fuckin year."

I'm pretty sure the Weidman crowd were essentially dead wrong, too. They said Weidman's wrestling was just too good, Anderson would not be able to stop his takedowns, and he would rape Anderson on the ground. I don't recall anyone saying Weidman would win the standup.

Weidman got his first takedown -- just like Chael, Dan, Marquardt, etc -- and then couldn't get any more -- just like Chael, Dan, Marquardt, etc. On the ground he landed a few strikes and that's it. 

Picking the winner is just flipping a coin, or just being contrary, if you're wrong about all the specifics and even the generalities of how the fight goes.

It'd be like if people were saying "Randleman will beat Crocop, his wrestling is just too good, he'll smother Mirko for 15 minutes with ease", and then Kevin can't take him down and lands one big KO punch standing and they go "see, told you!"

7/8/13 6:34 AM
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Dazednconfused - Finally someone with logic. It's amazing the amount of people saying i told you so. No you didn't. Chris took him down, he got back up, easily stuffed Weidman's second takedown, forcing a tired Weidman to stand. Chris was wide open the whole time on the feet, that's why Anderson wasn't taking him seriously. Yeah Anderson fucked up, but c'mon, Weidman isn't even close to Anderson striking. The amount of bulkshit I've read on these forums is mind blowing. Phone Post 3.0
In fairness he got up because Chris dropped for a knee bar and then heel hook. It seemed had he not, he could have kept peppering him on the ground for the rest of the round. Phone Post
7/8/13 6:56 AM
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Here's the thing. Anderson did the same shit to Franklin, Griffin and especially Bonner and Maia and ended up whooping their ass. The only difference here is that Weidman DID NOT bite Silva's lure when Anderson cast it out into the water.

That doesn't mean that Weidman was gifted the belt. On the ground Weidman landed some Nast clean blows to Anderson's head in the first. Silva's just so durable he fought his way out of it and back to the feet. Once he was back on his feet we saw Silva landing nothing crazy or super clean but as always, his striking looked amazing and technical and he was finding his rhythm as well as stuffing Weidmans take down.

That first round was close and Anderson looked to be coming back BUT that first round was still Wiedmans. The takedown, ground and pound and aggression gave him that round easy IMO. So we already have Weidman up 1-0 at this point.

Then in the second we all saw what happened, that knockout was LEGIT. Still, when you watch it a second time you realize this'd is the first time in history where someone has used Anderson's own game against him, very similar to the way Werdum used Fedors game against him with the triangle.

When Anderson has crowned in the past he's managed to cause guys like Maia to damn near lose his mind in that fight. Against Griffin, in a different way, when Anderson cast out Forrest bit and started throwing because hey, the guy has his hands down. So Griffin threw recklessly and fell right into Silva's web. With Bonner, Andy put him in the most comfortable place Stephan could ask for in the fight; Anderson's back against the cage and Bonner up in Silva's grill and Silva used Bonners overconfidence against him to find the opening.

Very similar with Okami only Okami(IMO) did the right thing striking wise but had neither the speed, power or reflexes to stand toe to toe like that with Silva and Okami never will. Weidman has a lot of reach, good technique and without a doubt very good power. When Anderson started bobbing Weidman intelligently threw a good combo at the right time. The first couple punches didn't land clean but they landed clean enough and by the time his left hook landed Anderson's body(more specifically his upper body/head) was in the worst possible position it could be in while trying to absorb a punch.

This doesn't technically mean in any way that Anderson wouldn't win the rematch. He would be my favorite in a rematch with Weidman BUT again, Weidman USED ANDERSON'S STYLE AGAINST him and beat him on the feet... How are people simply writing this victory of as a fluke given the way it went down.

I see a lot of people saying Anderson seemed happy to lose. This is the same thing everyone was saying about Fedor when he lost to Werdum. I don't think Anderson wanted to lose and I don't think Fedor did either. It's the same scenario; imagine being a fighter on a long streak and the whole world thinks your invincible, unstoppable and unbeatable but deep down you know your just as human as anyone else. When you put in hour upon hour of training day in and day out and tap/get out worked/and tko'd in the gym it only serves as a reminder that you are ONLY HUMAN.

But still, the whole world puts you on a pedestal based on your work in the ring/cage and imagine the pressure that brings. When the whole world expects nothing short of perfection out of every one of your performances. I think Anderson experienced a similar relief that Fedor did against Werdum in that neither man wanted to lose the fight but the loss served as some kind of alleviation of pressure that comes with beating everyone for so long and it goes even more so for Anderson because never in mma have we seen someone hold onto such a prestigious belt for so long and so flawlessly.

He has acknowledged he has a lot of fights on his contract still but said he doesn't want a rematch with Weidman because he is sick of fighting for/defending belts. With the right kind of empathy you can see why too, because he can finish out his career in the UFC fighting super fights without the worry and pressure and commitment and media exposure that comes with being champion or fighting in title fights. But that shouldn't be used as an excuse that Anderson gifted that fight to Weidman, no.

Anderson did on the feet what he has done to many fighters on the feet that has brought him a lot of success in the octagon. Only this time he didn't get an opening out of his opponent, instead his opponent threw at the right time. Everyone saying Anderson's clowning lost him the fight is pretty of base in my opinion. His clowning has discouraged, confused and flustered so many opponents of his in the past and he beat them with the same tactics. It's exactly the same thing as everyone was talking about with Fedors first loss. "Fedor fought too aggressively and dove into Werdums guard with reckless ground and pound, if he didn't he could win that fight." Even though Fedor ALWAYS fought that way his entire career and that's what made so many love him.

Now it's "Anderson crowned too much and was to cocky, if he hadn't he could have won that fight." Even though Anderson's done that in many fights throughout his career and it's one of the many reasons we mma fans would sit at the tv with our jaws dropped every time he preformed. Only this time his opponent capitalized. It's black and white simplicity.

Andy's done that to fighters and made them look like amateurs and it just seems that Weidman is a cut above the rest. Do I think Anderson could beat Weidman if he fought similar to the way he fought Chris Leben? Yeah I do. But this fights in the books, no if, and or buts, Weidman won a close first round and closed it in the second with a vicious KO right when Anderson was using tactics that have gotten in so many other opponents head causing them to mentally break down and allowing Anderson to capitalize.

That fight was a cut and dry, self explanatory example that last Saturday Weidman was the better man. He won the first round and his got a KO in the second... Anderson's the greatest ever but just like the rest of us, he's human. No excuses should be made here.
7/8/13 7:05 AM
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" You don't get to make your fuckin little predictions about the rematch and saunter around pretending they hold any weight.  There's no reason for anyone to believe you.  You were DEAD wrong and you acted like stuck up little shits on this subject for just about a fuckin year."

I'm pretty sure the Weidman crowd were essentially dead wrong, too. They said Weidman's wrestling was just too good, Anderson would not be able to stop his takedowns, and he would rape Anderson on the ground. I don't recall anyone saying Weidman would win the standup.

Weidman got his first takedown -- just like Chael, Dan, Marquardt, etc -- and then couldn't get any more -- just like Chael, Dan, Marquardt, etc. On the ground he landed a few strikes and that's it. 

Picking the winner is just flipping a coin, or just being contrary, if you're wrong about all the specifics and even the generalities of how the fight goes.

It'd be like if people were saying "Randleman will beat Crocop, his wrestling is just too good, he'll smother Mirko for 15 minutes with ease", and then Kevin can't take him down and lands one big KO punch standing and they go "see, told you!"


Anderson did get handled on the ground. Weidman landed solid shots and had a dangerous sub attempt. Silva had nothing from his back, no strikes, control, or attempt at getting back up until Weidman took a risk for a leg attack and Silva got up.

 

Silva was wary of Weidman's ground game... that's why he didn't throw clinch knees and was so aggressive in suckering Weidman into a striking match with his clowning. Weidman's ground game was why he was able to get a KO against Silva.

7/8/13 7:12 AM
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" You don't get to make your fuckin little predictions about the rematch and saunter around pretending they hold any weight.  There's no reason for anyone to believe you.  You were DEAD wrong and you acted like stuck up little shits on this subject for just about a fuckin year."

I'm pretty sure the Weidman crowd were essentially dead wrong, too. They said Weidman's wrestling was just too good, Anderson would not be able to stop his takedowns, and he would rape Anderson on the ground. I don't recall anyone saying Weidman would win the standup.

Weidman got his first takedown -- just like Chael, Dan, Marquardt, etc -- and then couldn't get any more -- just like Chael, Dan, Marquardt, etc. On the ground he landed a few strikes and that's it. 

Picking the winner is just flipping a coin, or just being contrary, if you're wrong about all the specifics and even the generalities of how the fight goes.

It'd be like if people were saying "Randleman will beat Crocop, his wrestling is just too good, he'll smother Mirko for 15 minutes with ease", and then Kevin can't take him down and lands one big KO punch standing and they go "see, told you!"


Anderson did get handled on the ground. Weidman landed solid shots and had a dangerous sub attempt. Silva had nothing from his back, no strikes, control, or attempt at getting back up until Weidman took a risk for a leg attack and Silva got up.

 

Silva was wary of Weidman's ground game... that's why he didn't throw clinch knees and was so aggressive in suckering Weidman into a striking match with his clowning. Weidman's ground game was why he was able to get a KO against Silva.


For the most part I agree. The worst thing I see a lot of people doing regarding this fight is writing off Weidmans work on the ground. Anderson is the best defensive fighter I have ever seen and that goes for off his back as we'll. He is amazing and dodging punches on the ground and retaliating with short, super fast elbows. When he was on his back against Weidman he WAS doing a decent job of dodging punches and being as durable as he is, doing quite well absorbing the ground and pound he couldn't dodge but anyone who rematches the fight will plainly see that yes Anderson got out of the way of some nasty looking ground and pound while under Weidman, but, what happened on the ground in the first round is a testament to Anderson's chin more than any of his other great attributes.

Because the punches from Weidman that did get through looked VICIOUS and some landed very clean. Anderson's just got a great chin is all.
7/8/13 7:18 AM
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He was taking too many hard shots that he was trying to slip.

Anderson did not have Chris where he wanted. Phone Post 3.0
7/8/13 10:19 AM
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"Anderson did get handled on the ground."

Sure. He wasn't in danger though and it's purely a matter of guesswork or opinion that he took any more damage than he did against Chael, for example. And then Chris couldn't get another takedown, putting him in the same category as everyone else Anderson has fought. Whether he was suckered into a striking match or not, he made two more attempts to get Anderson down and couldn't even come close, just like Anderson's other opponents. 

So the prediction for the rematch really boils down to whether you think Weidman is legitimately superior on the feet and will win the fight there once his takedowns stop being effective.

Keep in mind Weidman landed just 11 total strikes in the first round, and some of those were on the feet. This was hardly some GnP mauling.

7/8/13 10:27 AM
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Weidman had problems taking Sakara down in the first round and 10 seconds into the 2nd round he put him down no problem. When he decides to commit to a takedown it's a surething he gets it, sometimes he doesn't commit fully especially near the cage. He was composed with his striking and kept good balance and distance. Silva had to act silly and clown to try and get him to loosen up and take chances, he didn't and didn't have to. He just outsmarted him by doubling up the right hand and throwing off his timing
7/8/13 10:28 AM
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"Anderson did get handled on the ground."

Sure. He wasn't in danger though and it's purely a matter of guesswork or opinion that he took any more damage than he did against Chael, for example. And then Chris couldn't get another takedown, putting him in the same category as everyone else Anderson has fought. Whether he was suckered into a striking match or not, he made two more attempts to get Anderson down and couldn't even come close, just like Anderson's other opponents. 

So the prediction for the rematch really boils down to whether you think Weidman is legitimately superior on the feet and will win the fight there once his takedowns stop being effective.

Keep in mind Weidman landed just 11 total strikes in the first round, and some of those were on the feet. This was hardly some GnP mauling.


He wasn't in danger to you but he was taking hard shots to the face and Weidman gave up a dominant position to go for the knee/ankles. It wasn't like Anderson had an answer or way to defend himself from getting hit hard in the head, Weidman did him a huge favor.
7/8/13 10:29 AM
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He also said he wasn't going to outpunch himself like Chael did and would only throw punches when he needed to, he might have landed 11 but how many did he throw? Like 12? lol
7/8/13 10:33 AM
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Orcus, It's pretty hard to take someone down with the double leg when they have there hands at there knees in a position for the cow catcher like Anderson was. Plus Anderson was backing up which if you anything about wrestling it is extremely hard to shoot on someone who has there hands down and retreating backwards. Weidman clearly never fully committed on another shot. Had Anderson fought with his hands up like in the first Chael fight, he would have been taken down repeatedly.

People give way to much credit to Silva because of the taunting. Bottom line is that Silva's only clean shots landed were inside leg kicks. Weidman landed clean shots in both the first and second round, but people ignore them because of Silva's taunting.

7/8/13 10:43 AM
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People talking this "Anderson beat himself with cockiness" shit are ignoring a key element of what happened. Anderson's clowning around was a tactic, and it was working. Weidman dominated the first few minutes of the fight, but come the end of the first round, Anderson's antics had him looking shook and confused, and maybe even a little gassed.

The problem was, he did take it too far. When you're 38 years old you can't leave your hands down and ninja your way out of every strike. It came back to bite him in the ass.

A rematch could be a very different fight but I don't see Anderson being a huge favorite. Anderson's aura of invincibility is gone and he won't be able to intimidate Weidman in the same way. Weidman will be more relaxed and confident, and if his coaches are smart, they'll keep him focused on a wrestling-centric approach, while mixing in some strikes off the threat of the shot. Not to mention Anderson will be another 6 months older.
7/8/13 10:51 AM
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was Anderson doing a lot of shit talking during the fight...god i'd love to hear the audio of that.
7/8/13 11:04 AM
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The rematch will be totally different. Next time Chris will get him down like he did on his first attempt and gnp him to a tko imo. Had he not given up position for the leglock he would have done it this time.
7/8/13 11:41 AM
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"The rematch will be totally different. Next time Chris will get him down like he did on his first attempt and gnp him to a tko imo. Had he not given up position for the leglock he would have done it this time."

He landed just 11 strikes in the first round and some of those were standing. How do you conclude he would have gotten a GnP TKO? He couldn't even GnP TKO Mark Munoz or Sakara in the first, why would he do it to Anderson?

7/8/13 12:26 PM
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"The rematch will be totally different. Next time Chris will get him down like he did on his first attempt and gnp him to a tko imo. Had he not given up position for the leglock he would have done it this time."

He landed just 11 strikes in the first round and some of those were standing. How do you conclude he would have gotten a GnP TKO? He couldn't even GnP TKO Mark Munoz or Sakara in the first, why would he do it to Anderson?


He may have landed only 11 shots but there were several big shots on the ground. I just think if he maintained that position like he could have instead of going for the leglock they were gonna add up and get him the tko or a cut stoppage and this is coming from someone that thought Anderson was gonna starch him.
7/8/13 12:58 PM
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"The rematch will be totally different. Next time Chris will get him down like he did on his first attempt and gnp him to a tko imo. Had he not given up position for the leglock he would have done it this time."

He landed just 11 strikes in the first round and some of those were standing. How do you conclude he would have gotten a GnP TKO? He couldn't even GnP TKO Mark Munoz or Sakara in the first, why would he do it to Anderson?


Regardless of what stat provider said he landed 11 shots it is pretty clear he landed whatever he wanted whenever he wanted on the ground. Maybe you need to re-watch the round

http://mmashare.mmavista.com/serious-mma-videos-f35/hd-update-anderson-silva-vs-chris-weidman-t66993.html
7/8/13 1:00 PM
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also Anderson can only stop takedowns when he is near or against the fence, he can't stop any good wrestlers from taking him down in the middle of the cage

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