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5/16/03 6:49 PM
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Eric Cobb
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Edited: 16-May-03
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Hi all: Just returned from a week-long training trip with Tony and wanted to share with you some observations. During the course of the week, I had the chance to watch and participate in a variety of drills with Tony. I was amazed, as I usually am, by his ballistics, power, speed and biomechanics. Particularly as a specialist in human movement, Tony's physical skills have always blown me away. On this trip, however, I noticed something even more impressive - further refinement... Not in the sense of technique, but in naturalness, fluidity, etc. When you are talking about an elite level athlete, 1% improvement is amazing - something so dramatic that it is noticeable to the naked eye is mind-boggling. During a de-brief with Tony, I asked him about his movement. His reply was very powerful. He reminded me that the SPEAR System is based on the premise of learning to do and use what the body WANTS to do PRIOR to any training. Obviously as you get your mind around that idea in training, your movement becomes cleaner, more natural, and more dynamic... The longer I work with Tony and the deeper I go inside the "Matrix", the more I realize that the "advanced" stuff is all explained from the beginning - you just have to be ready to hear it. I'd love to hear thoughts on how we all might speed this process along. Eric
5/16/03 9:05 PM
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Edited: 16-May-03
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Hi Eric, Based on you description, I would say that he has spent many, many hours, refining his movements, from a Primal/Protective SPEAR conversion, into a offensive tactic. This training has allowed him to polish these movements to the point that, he flows almost effortlessly. These movements have become 'natural' for him, whereas for most people, these positions are VERY awkward, both physically, and more importantly, mentally. So to me, it seems we all need to identify these positions, the most probable, and make them more natural, similar to creating a Mental Blueprint. Also, just do more BMF's, so you are 'forced' to move, and at 'less desireable times'. A week with Tony.....one of the perks of being a Staff Trainer!:-) Danny
5/17/03 10:10 AM
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Edited: 17-May-03
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Eric, Interesting observation - hope to eventually attend one of Tony's seminars. On a side note - Hope everyone is healthy and .... dry. take care, Kirk
5/20/03 10:22 PM
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Edited: 20-May-03
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"The longer I work with Tony and the deeper I go inside the "Matrix", the more I realize that the "advanced" stuff is all explained from the beginning - you just have to be ready to hear it." Eric, I think the answer lies in the last part of your statement. You have to be ready to hear it. The process will vary from individual to individual and some will never be ready, beacuse of ego, insecurity, or some other kind of fixation... Remember "Thou Shalt Not Not Train." That's number one. As far as speeding up the process I remember Tony writing that perfect practice doesn't make you perfect, it only makes you better. I think the key is to work on your capacity and just get better. Training with Tony would be the ultimate way to enhance the process, reaching the level of Transcendence/Beginner's Mind will only happen when you are ready for it to happen. (You can lead a horse...) Stay engaged and just do it. It will happen when it's time and not before. Take Care, Mike
5/26/03 9:12 PM
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Sean Mulligan
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Edited: 26-May-03
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ttt... Sean
6/4/03 1:50 PM
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Edited: 04-Jun-03 01:54 PM
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I must have missed this thread the first time around. . . :-( And since the forum is so sleepy . . . I had a question about this: "Based on your description, I would say that he has spent many, many hours, refining his movements, from a Primal/Protective SPEAR conversion, into a offensive tactic. This training has allowed him to polish these movements to the point that, he flows almost effortlessly. These movements have become 'natural' for him, whereas for most people, these positions are VERY awkward, both physically, and more importantly, mentally." If the starting point is based on the premise of learning to do and use what the body wants to do prior to any training. Then how can these positions or movements be awkward, or "unnatural," either mentally, or physically? That doesn't make sense to me. If the starting point is working with what the body WANTS to do PRIOR to any training then doesn't it follow that the positions and movements are already natural and ingrained? (But maybe lack focus, timing, blueprinting, etc.) If so, then maybe Tony's refinement comes from not fighting against his natural instinct, of getting out of his own way, so to speak (maybe I should do this even though my body wants to do that), as well as gazillions of hours of working his craft under pressure. What do you think? Chuck
6/4/03 6:32 PM
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Chuckk, "..refining his movements, from a primal/protective SPEAR conversion, into an offensive tactic" I guess I could have been more specific; the key word there is, 'FROM'.. a primal protective SPEAR, meaning, after the initial OH SHIT moment, which is totally instinctive/reactive, he moves 'sooner' than we do, and more efficently, based on Emotional Climate Training & Mental Blueprint theory, and application. "..what the body wants to do, prior to any training", refers to the involontary, flinch response, in an OH SHIT moment, which we have no control over. What we do, and how quickly we do it, 'right after the conversion process' is what I was refering to. And people who don't train for this moment, will be more awkward there, because they don't train for 'off balance' moments/positions. All that said...I think your last paragraph sums it up! :-) Danny
6/4/03 11:07 PM
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Eric Cobb
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Good thoughts and questions... Chuck I think you probably hit it on the head, "If so, then maybe Tony's refinement comes from not fighting against his natural instinct, of getting out of his own way, so to speak (maybe I should do this even though my body wants to do that), as well as gazillions of hours of working his craft under pressure." The premise of doing what the body wants to do prior to any training is absolutely correct and doesn't just refer to the startle/flinch process. Let me give you a real life example... Last weekend I did a couple of different PDR seminars: one for a women's group and then a second for their kids. The kids were all under the age of 10. Guess who did better - much better - physically? Everyone will, of course guess, the kids, which is correct. Why? The kids were not inhibited by looking a certain way, trying to create a certain "move", emulate a technique, etc. When you showed them "here's how you would hold your hands if someone grabbed you, and here's how you do an index palm, palm, etc." With the BTS demystification of the toolbox, they immediately grasped the concept and did the move... Was it biomechanically perfect? No, they're kids. However, was it close, fast, relatively non-telegraphic and useable? You betcha... I think everyone that trains with Tony's material would be wise to revisit the 'demystification' examples as they relate to your tools. As simple as those thoughts are, they are incredibly powerful for learning to "get out of your own way"... I have more thoughts on this but am pressed for time. Stay Safe, Eric
6/5/03 11:12 AM
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Thanks for the clarification guys! Chuck
6/6/03 11:32 AM
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Edited: 06-Jun-03
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Very good stuff Danny & Eric, thanks for pressing Chuck, its what creates the reframe and the dialogue. Tony

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