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7/12/13 4:31 PM
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Jiu Jitsu doesn't work - I'm working on an article for a German MMA site talking about pros and cons training with girls.

So...who's sparring, rolling or lurking with chicks?
Tell me your stories...tell me your experience.
Of course, girls can tell their side, too!

I will give credits to everyone helping...

You can write anything you think about it, experience, issues...anything.
At rollin'...fear of touching her goods?

And the girls...tell me if you have problems, training with guys...
And if yes...why?
Do they step back way too much?
Do they try to grapplerape?
Or are they too much trying to be alpha male?

Thank for the help UG! Phone Post 3.0

I am 6'4 and 240lbs, but there is a girl on my team who can roll up most guys I know. She is a purple belt, made it to the podium for worlds at blue belt. She is one of the toughest competitors I know.
7/12/13 4:32 PM
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I dont roll with chicks, seriously
7/12/13 4:35 PM
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I trained with two girls at my gym. They mostly roll with each other, but sometimes will mix it up. I find me personally I always slow down a bit with them, but really that is the opposite of what I should be doing.

The way i see it, if a girl can hang with a guy, they should do well with female competition as well. I am self conscious about sweating all over them though, which again is just a stupid stereotype, as they are there to train just like the rest of us.
7/12/13 5:28 PM
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I once rolled with a hottie, ended up kneeing her in the face, busted lip, pouring blood. I think she liked it. Phone Post 3.0
7/12/13 5:57 PM
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I roll with women. Its jiu jitsu, your going to end up in an awkward situation at some point - happens with men as well.

The problem I have is using strength and pressure - I dont like to grind a womans face with shoulder pressure (in fact I refuse to). I tend to play guard a lot when rolling with girls.

Hands have gone down tops etc... by mistake, but that's all part of it.

As long as you dont pop a boner when sparring (I've heard stories) its fine. Phone Post
7/12/13 6:22 PM
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I have trained with some girls that have technique. (Olympic judoka). Even tho physically you can dominate there was something to learn. I push don't like it unless there hot in which I roll a little more aggressive so I can manhandle them a bit. I'm sick I know... if your going to a class there's gonna be girls there most likely a d they are paying customers like rest of us. I just they to give them some work. Phone Post
7/12/13 6:23 PM
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Mertvaya Ruka - I normally don't do anything with womens unless I fornicate with them first. So you shouldn't talk anymore. Unless you wanna, you know...

lol

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7/12/13 6:25 PM
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Mertvaya Ruka - I normally don't do anything with womens unless I fornicate with them first. So you shouldn't talk anymore. Unless you wanna, you know...

Classic!
7/12/13 6:25 PM
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Mertvaya Ruka - I normally don't do anything with womens unless I fornicate with them first. So you shouldn't talk anymore. Unless you wanna, you know...

VU

7/12/13 6:25 PM
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My wife is a purple, im a brown. There were problems in the beginning but as she climbed the ranks a lot of those problems went away. Phone Post
7/12/13 6:27 PM
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u can get cooties bro
7/12/13 6:27 PM
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Alistair has no problems training with girls,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-paRIf5hWys

And second one, start at 4:40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ckPf3rk8Clc
7/12/13 6:29 PM
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its a bit different, he demonstrated a position to her was the only grappling, not something freeform , except for the light contact sparring,
7/12/13 6:31 PM
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I always seem to get caught in triangles for some reason Phone Post 3.0
7/12/13 6:38 PM
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mdrndaysamurai -  My wife is a purple, im a brown. There were problems in the beginning but as she climbed the ranks a lot of those problems went away. Phone Post

Um.....if your wife is purple I would suggest you loosen the grip....
7/12/13 6:44 PM
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I'm a chick 5'4" 105 lbs. One of my gyms I was the only girl. I found that the higher belts were awesome and let me work. The white and blues went all alpha bc there was no way they were getting submitted by a chick. Got black eye, Busted ribs, bloody nose.

My new school there's a few chicks who are a lot bigger than me. And honestly I prefer to roll with guys for some reason.

The was one instance where I was super attracted to the guy and it sucked. I wanted to rape rape him. He smelled phenomenal!! One time in no gi he just all of the sudden stopped and quit. Turns out he got a little too excited. Could have been uncomfortable but we just laughed about it. :) Phone Post
7/12/13 6:45 PM
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Krs10KO.com - I'm a chick 5'4" 105 lbs. One of my gyms I was the only girl. I found that the higher belts were awesome and let me work. The white and blues went all alpha bc there was no way they were getting submitted by a chick. Got black eye, Busted ribs, bloody nose.

My new school there's a few chicks who are a lot bigger than me. And honestly I prefer to roll with guys for some reason.

The was one instance where I was super attracted to the guy and it sucked. I wanted to rape rape him. He smelled phenomenal!! One time in no gi he just all of the sudden stopped and quit. Turns out he got a little too excited. Could have been uncomfortable but we just laughed about it. :) Phone Post
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7/12/13 6:49 PM
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I appreciate girls that train and I always want to encourage them. That said, it is very difficult as a guy to know how I should roll with chicks. I feel like if I go too light I am robbing them of a chance to train hard (and by extension could be putting them in danger due to a false sense of confidence, similar to a McDojo black belt), but I have also heard lots of girls complain about guys rolling hard and using strength. I'd almost rather avoid it except with girls that I know will roll hard and not get their feelings hurt. I'm a black belt and I've been training for almost 14 years, for the record.
7/12/13 7:04 PM
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The other thing to consider when discussing girls that trane is that the normal 1-10 rating scale for looks is altered slightly when a chick throws on a gi and starts rolling simply because there aren't a lot of chicks in most BJJ classes. A girl who would normally be around a 5 out on the streets or at the club becomes a jiu jitsu 7 when they step on the mats. Phone Post 3.0
7/12/13 7:13 PM
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7/12/13 7:28 PM
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Krs10KO.com - I'm a chick 5'4" 105 lbs. One of my gyms I was the only girl. I found that the higher belts were awesome and let me work. The white and blues went all alpha bc there was no way they were getting submitted by a chick. Got black eye, Busted ribs, bloody nose.

My new school there's a few chicks who are a lot bigger than me. And honestly I prefer to roll with guys for some reason.

The was one instance where I was super attracted to the guy and it sucked. I wanted to rape rape him. He smelled phenomenal!! One time in no gi he just all of the sudden stopped and quit. Turns out he got a little too excited. Could have been uncomfortable but we just laughed about it. :) Phone Post
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7/12/13 7:58 PM
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From my experience women are better represented in Muay Thai classes than jits. They tend to prefer pairing up with other girls but I enjoy holding pads for them. I think it's natural to not go as hard esp if they are having trouble holding pads. Once I got called out for going soft on a push kick we were drilling and I ended up pushing her into the wall and her ass busted through the drywall. I felt bad. She was really pretty and was a good sport about it.

Jits I think it's good in a lot of ways. They smell much better. They don't spaz like some newer guys do. Good for warming up so you have more energy later. Got to be careful though, most don't wear groin protection and I am worried sometimes about mashing their breasts or pulling hair. Long hair in general kinda sucks but I'd rather eat female hair than dudes. Phone Post 3.0
7/12/13 8:50 PM
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higherprimate718 -
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Krs10KO.com - I'm a chick 5'4" 105 lbs. One of my gyms I was the only girl. I found that the higher belts were awesome and let me work. The white and blues went all alpha bc there was no way they were getting submitted by a chick. Got black eye, Busted ribs, bloody nose.

My new school there's a few chicks who are a lot bigger than me. And honestly I prefer to roll with guys for some reason.

The was one instance where I was super attracted to the guy and it sucked. I wanted to rape rape him. He smelled phenomenal!! One time in no gi he just all of the sudden stopped and quit. Turns out he got a little too excited. Could have been uncomfortable but we just laughed about it. :) Phone Post
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7/12/13 10:52 PM
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my wife is about 120 lbs (purple belt as stated above). i see white belts and blue belts duck her ALL the time because they will get tapped. they go ape shit on her all the time, especially the white belts. unless dude has 60 or more pounds on her she usually gets them. and even if she can't tap them, they do not tap her. i've seen many egos get smashed.

as far as how i feel about training with females, i think they are great - they force you to take a long hard look at your technique. if you have to power anything, you know it immediately, and should be ashamed of yourself because that's your ego taking over. people forget that you are not in competition in the academy. if you are muscling anything against anyone while your trying to improve your technique, your'e doing it wrong..
7/12/13 11:05 PM
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higherprimate718 - I wanna preface this by saying that I 100% support women who wanna trane. I think its awesome, and it makes them more interesting as people.

that said, rolling with girls is troublesome as fuck. I never know what to do. Most of them seem to be doing it for self defense reasons, so wouldent it make sense that they would wan to test their skills against a fully resisting male partner? This makes sense to me, but I'm not sure most women actually think about it that way, so at max I go about 60 percent.

Heres some of the annoying types of girls I have to roll with

the big fat jiu jitsu chick: enjoys all the male attention that comes with her tri-weekly training sessions, and weighs easily over 100 pounds. Has no skills, and for some reason never learns any moves or gets better. I can try and explain moves to her while we roll, open up my half guard and tell her she just needs to walk out of it. These pieces of guidance will apparently be forgotten within the next minute. She will just hang out in your guard with her head down till you sweep her or tap her. For some reason, this chick always tries to roll with me. Really annoying.

the tiny little lesbian beast chick: actually pretty skilled, but shes five foot nothing so its like wrestling a kitten. I could probably choke her with one hand. I get literally nothing out of training with her. If I pinned her too hard in side control, I might hurt her. Still, I admire her dedication and warrior spirit. But she might as well just invest in a gun, because all this training means nothing when you are the size of an 11 year old boy.

the jiu jitsu chick who competes: Shes a purple, she podiums at the womens divisions all the time, but my white belt ass can still throw her guard aside like her hips are made of paper mache. Should I be going light on her like I do the other chicks? Wouldent she want to realistically test her skills? I find it a little ridiculous that she has a purple and a mid level white belt like myself can submit her. Rolling with her makes me feel like josh barnett. Fucking huge and viking strong.

on the subject of boners while rolling, I have never gotten one (mad self control) but has anyone noticed that female grapplers tend to sit on your groin when they get you in full mount? Men automatically shimmy up so their knees go under your elbows and stuff, but women sit back... as if out of habit

and as far as this,
I very seriously doubt you could throw a decent purple belt's guard to the side if you are a white belt. even if you could, how does that benefit your development as a martial artist? lastly - being able to submit a higher belt doesn't mean you deserve that belt. belts are given and represent knowledge. if i walk into a tkd academy and ko the blackbelt, that doesn't mean i'm a black belt in tkd.

I know 220 lb purple belts to get tapped by female black belts, and yes they are going 100%. hannette staack would absolutely rape the majority of bjj practitioners on this forum.

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