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7/18/13 1:04 PM
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Ramy Daoud
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A judoka or wrestler (if they are fast and skilled) could beat him but a bjj guy who doesn't train takedowns and who spars from the knees every night wouldn't.

Im not saying Jacare or Marcelo wouldn't beat Floyd, I'm saying your average 2-3 x a week blue belt who trains takedowns once every 3 weeks is not gonna make it happen. Phone Post 3.0
7/18/13 1:04 PM
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supremexb - To the guy that thinks he would beat Floyd in a street fight, you would wake up in the hospital not even knowing what happened? yes Floyd would lose an mms fight to pro mms fighters but he's not losing in the street to blue belts that's stupid. Phone Post 3.0

That doesn't make sense. A street fight has less rules than an MMA match. Only the rules save a boxer from a rounded MMA fighter. That's just an undeniable fact.

The only difference it being a street fight would make, is that the MMA fighter would 12-6 elbows and head-but and soccer kick and knee the head when they're down. etc.
So Floyd is losing street fights to anyone that's done a year of bjj in some strip mall? Give me a fucking break. Street fights 9 times out if ten start with fists. Floyd throws one punch and it's over the average schmo never sees it coming. Phone Post 3.0

Notice how you're forced to reach toward the extreme? Sure, Floyd would have a great chance against somebody with almost no training.

A solid highschool wrestler beats Floyd 9/10 times. JJ just makes it easier.

Or, does Floyd have some training that I'm not considering? Did Floyd wrestle or anything? I honestly don't know.
No a guy in this thread said he's a blue belt and thinks he could beat Floyd in a street fight. That's sheer lunacy. Phone Post 3.0

Whereas Floyd has no training in anything except for throwing punches against opponents who aren't allowed to do anything but punch?

Floyd would employ the James Tony strategy of magic uppercuts that turn MMA fights in to boxing fights. And, it would work just about as well.
So randy couture is the same as a bjj blue belt and Floyd is the same as a fat washed up brain damaged toney? Phone Post 3.0
7/18/13 1:05 PM
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Ramy Daoud - A judoka or wrestler (if they are fast and skilled) could beat him but a bjj guy who doesn't train takedowns and who spars from the knees every night wouldn't.

Im not saying Jacare or Marcelo wouldn't beat Floyd, I'm saying your average 2-3 x a week blue belt who trains takedowns once every 3 weeks is not gonna make it happen. Phone Post 3.0
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7/18/13 1:07 PM
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Joe was perhaps a little more combative than he needed to be in the interview, but he is, obviously, correct. 

I mean let's be honest.  I'm a 180 lb blue belt.  I'm reasonably athletic and in good physical condition.  So long as Mayweather doesn't fire the first punch and assuming he has white belt level grappling, then I'd expect I'd more than likely beat him in a street fight.  Unless he could KO me on the way in, stop my takedowns, or hold me off once we're down, I wouldn't think he'd really have much of an offense to speak of honestly.

I would not say the same about some of even the amateur MMA fighters at my gym.  We've got a guy prepping for his debut at 155 lbs, and I have no reason to believe he wouldn't beat me to death in a real fight.  Mayweather wouldn't stand a chance.  And the UFC-level fighters?  Forget about it.  Straight mauling. 


All due respect, but Floyd is POSSIBLY the best Boxer ON EARTH.

He'd knock you silly. You'd be unhealthy once he's finished with you...

Your Blue Belt? Means nothing.

Makes me laugh how you can disrespect a Pro Boxer like that. You've NEVER encountered movement like that. Ever.


I got $20 on MTH in this fight. MTH is bigger and as long as he protects his chin on the way in and gets a hold of him he would win.
7/18/13 1:07 PM
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Mayweather is also a better athlete than anybody who has ever competed in MMA.

7/18/13 1:07 PM
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binga - inb4 Floyd with 6 months of sprawl training could hang with guys @ featherweight

Are you kidding me?

Someone like DJ Demetrious "Mighty Mouse" Johnson would rip him apart & he is a flyweight...

PBF fights at 150lbs????

A 150 lb. wrestler is far stronger than a 150 lb.boxer.

The core strength on just moving your equivalent in body weight around all your life will be far superior to that of the avg boxer of the same weight.



7/18/13 1:08 PM
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MTH -

Joe was perhaps a little more combative than he needed to be in the interview, but he is, obviously, correct. 

I mean let's be honest.  I'm a 180 lb blue belt.  I'm reasonably athletic and in good physical condition.  So long as Mayweather doesn't fire the first punch and assuming he has white belt level grappling, then I'd expect I'd more than likely beat him in a street fight.  Unless he could KO me on the way in, stop my takedowns, or hold me off once we're down, I wouldn't think he'd really have much of an offense to speak of honestly.

I would not say the same about some of even the amateur MMA fighters at my gym.  We've got a guy prepping for his debut at 155 lbs, and I have no reason to believe he wouldn't beat me to death in a real fight.  Mayweather wouldn't stand a chance.  And the UFC-level fighters?  Forget about it.  Straight mauling. 

No, just no. Phone Post 3.0
7/18/13 1:09 PM
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7/18/13 1:14 PM
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Rogan should never have commented on this. He obviously knew it would start a shitstorm here. Phone Post 3.0
7/18/13 1:14 PM
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PatK - And the best striker in MMA would get tooled by a mid-card level boxer in boxing.

Apples and Oranges
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7/18/13 1:15 PM
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man this is retarded

how many fcuking real street fights has rogan been in or even seen

street fights are not mma,
they are quick and dirty

and going to the ground is the dumbest idea there is
if your a real fight,

ie. fights are rarely 1-1
which means grappling gets u fucked up

and there is stuff like biting and low blows etc
not to mention weapons

as someone who grew up in russia and later
lived in a black area when i moved
and worked as a bouncer

trust boxers always do great in street fights
and most of their fights last as long as it takes to throw a few punches



ps i have boxed for 10 years and am a bjj blue belt,also wreslted a bit too
but real life teaches you
motherfucker you gotta hit

you take someone down???
his bro,kicks your fucking head in
seen this quite times
working at clubs


but i know little rich boys who 300 dollars a mouth to their bjj gyms, think mma is real fighting
because they never been in a fight
and when they get into a fight
they will call the cops
end of story


7/18/13 1:15 PM
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And a man with a gun beats both of them. It's a stupid comparison. It's like saying a great pro basketball player would get killed in college football. It's two separate sports. If mma ever wants to progress they need to stop these comparisons. Phone Post 3.0
7/18/13 1:15 PM
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supremexb - To the guy that thinks he would beat Floyd in a street fight, you would wake up in the hospital not even knowing what happened? yes Floyd would lose an mms fight to pro mms fighters but he's not losing in the street to blue belts that's stupid. Phone Post 3.0

That doesn't make sense. A street fight has less rules than an MMA match. Only the rules save a boxer from a rounded MMA fighter. That's just an undeniable fact.

The only difference it being a street fight would make, is that the MMA fighter would 12-6 elbows and head-but and soccer kick and knee the head when they're down. etc.
So Floyd is losing street fights to anyone that's done a year of bjj in some strip mall? Give me a fucking break. Street fights 9 times out if ten start with fists. Floyd throws one punch and it's over the average schmo never sees it coming. Phone Post 3.0

Notice how you're forced to reach toward the extreme? Sure, Floyd would have a great chance against somebody with almost no training.

A solid highschool wrestler beats Floyd 9/10 times. JJ just makes it easier.

Or, does Floyd have some training that I'm not considering? Did Floyd wrestle or anything? I honestly don't know.
No a guy in this thread said he's a blue belt and thinks he could beat Floyd in a street fight. That's sheer lunacy. Phone Post 3.0

Whereas Floyd has no training in anything except for throwing punches against opponents who aren't allowed to do anything but punch?

Floyd would employ the James Tony strategy of magic uppercuts that turn MMA fights in to boxing fights. And, it would work just about as well.
So randy couture is the same as a bjj blue belt and Floyd is the same as a fat washed up brain damaged toney? Phone Post 3.0

Floyd is a boxer. That's all. Boxing works great against boxers. Like kung fu.

You're comparing the best boxer who ever lived, to kids with very little amateur. That says all we need to know.

A solid highschool wrestle would rip his head off, if his entourage wasn't there to save him.
I'm not the blue belt coming on this thread saying they could beat Floyd in a street fight. I was just pointing how ridiculous that is. If u don't think it is ur delusional. That's all I'm saying. Phone Post 3.0
7/18/13 1:18 PM
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Didn't Randy vs that puffy guy solve this a few years ago?
7/18/13 1:18 PM
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Jeebus . . .

Do we really care about whether it's a "blue belt" or a "purple belt"? It was a f'king example people.

Fine. Instead of saying "legit, aggressive blue belt with a significant weight advantage," let's say "legit, aggressive purple belt with a significant weight advantage." Does that make it more palatable?

It doesn't matter. The point is that Joe is right insofar as he's discussing real fights. A legit (but average) grappler is--more often than not--going to beat Floyd in a real fight. Whether the grappling in question is wrestling, BJJ, whatever.

Legit but average PURPLE belt (I say blue too, but whatever) level skills will generally win out over elite boxing skills, provided the boxer has no grappling ability and doesn't score a quick KO.

And I add the term "level skills" after identifying a belt to encompass other (non-belted) forms of grappling.

Bottom line: I'd bet money on every purple belt I know in a street fight with Floyd. Same with the longtime wrestlers. I'd et money on a lot of the blue belts I know too, but apparently that's more controversial. Phone Post 3.0
7/18/13 1:20 PM
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Those that box and disagree...I challenge you to walk into an MMA gym, or hell a BJJ school & challenge your equivalent in experience & weight to a fight.

Those that have not trained in anything whatsoever & are just mouthing off, your comments hold NO VALUE!
7/18/13 1:22 PM
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But every mma fighter & average. Wrestler in his weight gets destroyed. In boxing Phone Post
7/18/13 1:22 PM
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What my brain initially registered when I read the title was:
"Mayweather gets killed".
7/18/13 1:25 PM
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Ramy Daoud - A judoka or wrestler (if they are fast and skilled) could beat him but a bjj guy who doesn't train takedowns and who spars from the knees every night wouldn't.

Im not saying Jacare or Marcelo wouldn't beat Floyd, I'm saying your average 2-3 x a week blue belt who trains takedowns once every 3 weeks is not gonna make it happen. Phone Post 3.0

THIS.
7/18/13 1:30 PM
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I haven't read through the whole thing so sorry if this was asked in the thread. I know it has been asked many times before but this one is appropriate - if mike tyson had entered ufc 1 would royce have choked him out? Phone Post
7/18/13 1:32 PM
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sniper1026 - Those that box and disagree...I challenge you to walk into an MMA gym, or hell a BJJ school & challenge your equivalent in experience & weight to a fight.

Those that have not trained in anything whatsoever & are just mouthing off, your comments hold NO VALUE!
Right cause Floyd is just your average guy who boxes. Phone Post 3.0
7/18/13 1:35 PM
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<blockquote>Slobonmynog - 

I haven't read through the whole thing so sorry if this was asked in the thread. I know it has been asked many times before but this one is appropriate - if mike tyson had entered ufc 1 would royce have choked him out? <img src="/images/phone/droid.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


</blockquote><br /> If Mike didn't hit him first before Royce took it to the ground.
7/18/13 1:41 PM
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Honestly can anyone really admit that boxing even has a chance? I mean look at Coture vs Toney, Toney was not a shit boxer at all. Couture played with him and quite a joke.

7/18/13 1:42 PM
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Sure, sure. Apples and Oranges.

But the truth is Boxing isn't fighting. MMA isn't straight up fighting either but its a hell of a lot closer to it than boxing is.

Not sure why this debate is going on. Flloyd would be slaughtered by a wrestler in a wrestling match. In a fight he would also be slaughtered because he wouldn't be able to use his skill "boxing" except for a lucky punch on a wrestler coming in. In a boxing match wrestler would lose obviously. But a fight isn't a boxing match... and you're not wearing gloves. Flloyds style wouldn't work with fists..

It's common sense.
7/18/13 1:43 PM
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Ironhouse - Didn't Randy vs that puffy guy solve this a few years ago?

eh, kinda....

Randy wasn't just a wrestler then-he was legitimately well rounded.

Toney was pretty out of shape then, too....

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