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7/20/13 11:21 PM
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Macedawgg
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Aces doesn't know what a monopoly is.

Not only did the government not rule out a violation, they limited their investigation solely to the acquisition of Strikeforce. 

7/20/13 11:44 PM
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EazyG - Jeebus,

Didnt we beat this fucking horse to death on the Chuck Liddell thread when he said the same biasic thing a few weeks ago. No surprise UFC shills like Hughes and Liddell are shilling. Thats what they get paid to do.

The key issue here is whether the UFC is a monopoly and uses this to underpay the fighters. I think there is a decent case vs the UFC on this. Technically with the fighters it would be a monopsony.

The govt looked into this issue when thhe UFC bought a few competitors and didnt pursue a case then but didnt rule out one in the future. This doesnt prove the case either way but is interesting.

I do suggest the UFC is pretty damn far from the competitive free market outcome.

ECONOMICS - does anyone here fucking speak it?
They can't and won't pursue it. Look up the definition for monopoly. And not the game. It's a subbed out sport. You don't like the damn contract don't sign. And yes, the prelim fighters you watch for free don't sell PPVs. They make 6/6. The 5 fights on PPV get people to watch them tend to have a following and make more than 6/6. So yes, the UFC is giving them 6/6 because they tend to be on free tv. This gives them free exposure for sponsors, and a chance to perform for a big contract. Prove yourself and get a following. The UFC will pay you well. Phone Post 3.0

really? so, most fighters fight 3 times a year in then UFC, and if they win, they'd clear $36K before taxes? and this is the highest paying MMA organziation, so you're saying that they should hold out if they don't like it?!?

just so you know, both Brazil and Canada take out taxes in addition to what the US does, so you can expect a 20-30% reduction in you fight there, as well....

nevermind that fighters can't make money off sponsors anymore (well, they can if the sponsor can afford the UFC's fee)...


i'm not saying i don't agree with guys like Joe Lauzon make a ton of money in bonuses, because he works his ass off and finishes fights, but to act like the base salary is livable is laughable, for a bunch of guys who are celebrities and sacrifice their health/longevity....


geez, nobody complains about any other athletes being overpaid, unless it's a strike....
7/21/13 4:59 AM
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Has everyone forgotten that the UFC provides health insurance for all of its fighters? Phone Post 3.0
7/21/13 5:01 AM
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7/21/13 3:47 PM
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Macedawgg - 

Aces doesn't know what a monopoly is.

Not only did the government not rule out a violation, they limited their investigation solely to the acquisition of Strikeforce. 


Truth!

Aces, there are two different monopoly questions here.

First, does the UFC have a monopoly in MMA so they can over charge the fans? They are the only big time MMA org in the US and have the best TV coverage so you could argue they are. But you also must consider other substitute products for Fans like boxing... Do these substitutes prevent their pricing power? Its a tough question.

But for fighter pay the key question is if the UFC has a monopsony on their key input to creating their product: fighters. And if they do have a monopsony, how much are they lowering fighter wages vs a competitive free market outcome?

Given the UFC is the only major MMA org in the US, where else can fighters sell their fighting skills?? What would fighter wages be if there were several big MMA orgs bidding competively for fighters in a free market, more like the NBA or MLB? I suggest there is a valid concern here. Fighters dont have many other serious options. UFC pretty much dominates MMA in the US these days.

How is for understanding what a monopoly is, Ace?!

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