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8/6/13 3:13 PM
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ArthurKnoqOut - LOL at my family has been doing it for a 100 years...

doing WHAT exactly? First of, it's been definitely less than 100 years and secondly, half the fights were fixed, many fights they lied to opponents about or changed rules so they are completely in their favor.

Anyone remember Choke with Rickson? Do ya'll remember the rules; specifically the one where a standing opponent getting rocked gets a standing-8 count while on the ground they don't...the rules favored the grappler, 100%. The early Gracie "fights" were equally as bad.

The standing 8 count was part of the standard Shooto/Japan Vale Tudo rule set, not just for the tournament in Choke. And I think the only special rules they've ever asked for are no time limits, no judges, no ref stoppage, and sometimes unlimited rounds instead of no time limit. As has been discussed before, they ask for LESS rules instead of more in order to make it more like a real fight.

I know it was part of Shooto and Vale Tudo, I was simply stating that most people may know the rules strictly from Choke, not having watched eaaarrrllly "MMA".

Anyhow, coming into dojos in Brazil and requesting things like no punches, and the like, has been well documented on here in many many threads.

All I was trying to say. And, their (claim) history of promoting events for 100 years is still incorrect and for decades they were calling out masters in other disciplines to make a name for themselves--that's not putting on events haha, that's selling your craft, or put you in a position to tell Dana White (and Zuffa) what to do in the promotion business..

Pretty much doesn't change the fact that he's obviously butthurt about his 31-st cousin.

You do realize that all the Vale Tudo matches in Brazil up until the 80's were open hand/no closed fist strikes right?


And while it may not have been literally 100 years ago, Helio was selling out the Macaranzinho(sp?) stadium fighting Kimura and Waldemar Santana in the 50's and 60's. Kimura is considered by many to be the greatest Judoka ever, Santana was an extremely athletic and younger top student of Helio that left the academy and challenged the Old Man.

And Roger is his nephew. I believe Rillion's sister is his mother and Mauricio Motta Gomes is his dad who happens to be a Rolls Gracie black belt. Rillion has also been in Roger's corner for many fights and BJJ matches.

Why does it make a difference that its his relative thats upset about him being cut after one loss to a top 5-10 guy in Kennedy? He is also his coach, what's wrong with a coach being upset that their guy got cut/released/unrenewed?
8/6/13 3:18 PM
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DarkHelmet - For the last time ...... BJJ is not fighting Phone Post 3.0

You still cannot "fight" without it which is why everyone trains in it. Is this 1992?
8/6/13 3:20 PM
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DarkHelmet - For the last time ...... BJJ is not fighting Phone Post 3.0
Yeah, it's not fighting but it beats every other fighting in a pure martial art contest. Makes sense.

I agree though, that this isn't 1993, and everyone knows BJJ now, you can't just except to walk in and outclass people on the ground even if you're the best BJJ competitor alive. Roger admitted it himself when he said that only like ten percent of sport BJJ is applicable to MMA.

Personally, I think Roger is one of the only non-annoying Gracies and I hate to see his family members make him look bad by trying to fight his battles for him. Phone Post 3.0


beats every other fighting in a pure martial art contest?

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see UFC 1-4 when it was vs
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8/6/13 3:28 PM
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DarkHelmet - For the last time ...... BJJ is not fighting Phone Post 3.0
Yeah, it's not fighting but it beats every other fighting in a pure martial art contest. Makes sense.

I agree though, that this isn't 1993, and everyone knows BJJ now, you can't just except to walk in and outclass people on the ground even if you're the best BJJ competitor alive. Roger admitted it himself when he said that only like ten percent of sport BJJ is applicable to MMA.

Personally, I think Roger is one of the only non-annoying Gracies and I hate to see his family members make him look bad by trying to fight his battles for him. Phone Post 3.0


beats every other fighting in a pure martial art contest?

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see UFC 1-4 when it was vs
It's 2013 though no? Phone Post
Why yes it is 2013! Great observation! And not relevant at all to my point!

Obviously you can't succeed in mma on BJJ alone anymore. We just saw that. My point was that if BJJ isn't a fighting style, then Royce Gracie did a fantastic job beating everyone at UFC 1 without even fighting. Must have been magic.

Also, while most of the Gracies are annoying as fuck, Roger is one of the few nice ones, and I hate people assuming that he's just as arrogant as all the others. In addition to that, people shit on Roger when he tries to use BJJ to win fights and praise Demein Maia when he uses BJJ to win fights. The only difference between the two is success; Maia has adapted his BJJ to be incredibly effective in MMA, whereas Roger has not. Yet they both have the same strategy, but one gets criticized because the rest of his family has given their name a bad reputation. Phone Post 3.0

rock, paper, scissors...

things worked out the way they worked out in the early UFC events but what would Royce do against a half decent wrestler wanting to stand and wing punches?

Just trying to say things aren't so matter of fact just because one guy beat some unaware scrappers once upon a time.(sounds like I am putting down Gracie's accomplishments but that's not my intention)
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The youngest son of Carlos Gracie.
Ic...... now did he get in an uproar when rolles got embarrassed by beltran??? Phone Post
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In MMA the wrestler who learns to diversify does well. In pure MA (that is one martial art against another) BJJ was beating most others. Now everyone knows everything and BJJ is a tool for winning. Roger just needs to mix his martial arts better.
8/6/13 4:00 PM
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Can't get by on BJJ alone these days. The talent pool is too deep, the competition level way to high
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When is the gracie family going to except that their jiu-jitsu won't get them through high level mma?



I still respect them but a lot of them act like fighters are supposed to lay on the ground and offer thier limbs for sacrifice.


This is not 1993 anymore.
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Roger's fight against the "Mexicanator" was the funniest thing I've seen in a long time.  Me and my friend were in tears laughing at how bad it was (for both of them.)  It was so bad, that it was good.

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Roger's fight against the "Mexicanator" was the funniest thing I've seen in a long time.  Me and my friend were in tears laughing at how bad it was (for both of them.)  It was so bad, that it was good.


You're an 01'er, so I'm not sure if you're trolling. That was Rolles Jr., not Roger, just in case you're not trolling.
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Roger's fight against the "Mexicanator" was the funniest thing I've seen in a long time.  Me and my friend were in tears laughing at how bad it was (for both of them.)  It was so bad, that it was good.


That was Rolles Gracie not Roger. That fight was embarrassing.....
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r_o_y - He got cut cause he looked like crap.



When is the gracie family going to except that their jiu-jitsu won't get them through high level mma?



I still respect them but a lot of them act like fighters are supposed to lay on the ground and offer thier limbs for sacrifice.


This is not 1993 anymore.
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Let's see . . . Renzo Gracie has two current UFC champs, and one former champ (ie, GSP, Weidman, Edgar) training under his team right now. Is there another team in MMA that has two UFC champs right now?
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r_o_y - He got cut cause he looked like crap.



When is the gracie family going to except that their jiu-jitsu won't get them through high level mma?



I still respect them but a lot of them act like fighters are supposed to lay on the ground and offer thier limbs for sacrifice.


This is not 1993 anymore.
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Let's see . . . Renzo Gracie has two current UFC champs, and one former champ (ie, GSP, Weidman, Edgar) training under his team right now. Is there another team in MMA that has two UFC champs right now?
They arent solely training with renzo. Renzo/Serra are just they're jits gym.

And yes other coaches have had two champs at one time. Cain and DC at AKA, jones and gsp at Jackson's, chute box had wandy and shogun, MFS had hughes sylvia and Franklin, etc etc Phone Post
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Stipe - lol Rillion's tantrums sound kind of horrible lately.

Tantrums? Apparently Rillion is the only one exaggerating his point with hyperbole.
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Roger's fight against the "Mexicanator" was the funniest thing I've seen in a long time.  Me and my friend were in tears laughing at how bad it was (for both of them.)  It was so bad, that it was good.


You're an 01'er, so I'm not sure if you're trolling. That was Rolles Jr., not Roger, just in case you're not trolling.

Oops, my bad. 

Anyway, it was a hilarious fight.

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The Gracie family can be kind of annoying a lot of the time.</p></blockquote>Lets not bitch too much as we wouldn't be where we are without the involvement of this family.<br><br>Instrumental in developing BJJ, MMA/ NHB, the UFC > being a little annoying <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/></blockquote><br /> WRONG. It would have made it here eventually. There had been tons of fights in Japan, Europe an other places. .<br /><br />Davie had envisioned an Octogon with a moat of FIRE surounding a Barbbedwire Octogon Fence.<br /><br />If it wasn't Rorion it would have been someone else.<br /><br />Yes they have done an amazing job of promoting the name "GRACIE" probably better than any other family in modern history, LOL. <br /><br />
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The Gracie family can be kind of annoying a lot of the time.

Lets not bitch too much as we wouldn't be where we are without the involvement of this family.

Instrumental in developing BJJ, MMA/ NHB, the UFC > being a little annoying Phone Post 3.0

WRONG. It would have made it here eventually. There had been tons of fights in Japan, Europe an other places. For them to get credit for MMA is ludicrous. the IDEA of the UFC and the Octagon itself was Art Davie who then went to Rorion Gracie and added him as a partner.

Davie had envisioned an Octogon with a moat of FIRE surounding a Barbbedwire Octogon Fence.

If it wasn't Rorion it would have been someone else.

Yes they have done an amazing job of promoting the name "GRACIE" probably better than any other family in modern history, LOL.


Id say you're a bit wrong too. You are making an assumption that MMA would have made it to where it was and how it did eventually. It was Royce, the skinny, 170 something lb guy that flipped the script on the fight world when he started tapping guys out, it was BJJ. Im not a fan of Rorion or Royce particularly (lets not forget he roided against Saku after all that anti-roid spew he went off on before) but they are indispensible pioneers of the game.

Yes, MMA existed in Japan but the Gracies and Brazilians were fighting Vale Tudo in Brazil for decades. They were more advanced during that time as a whole esp when it came to grappling. The level of ground in Pancrase and Shooto at the time was pretty sloppy in general compared to BJJ.
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The Gracie family can be kind of annoying a lot of the time.

Lets not bitch too much as we wouldn't be where we are without the involvement of this family.

Instrumental in developing BJJ, MMA/ NHB, the UFC > being a little annoying Phone Post 3.0

WRONG. It would have made it here eventually. There had been tons of fights in Japan, Europe an other places. For them to get credit for MMA is ludicrous. the IDEA of the UFC and the Octagon itself was Art Davie who then went to Rorion Gracie and added him as a partner.

Davie had envisioned an Octogon with a moat of FIRE surounding a Barbbedwire Octogon Fence.

If it wasn't Rorion it would have been someone else.

Yes they have done an amazing job of promoting the name "GRACIE" probably better than any other family in modern history, LOL.


Come one son, it's common knowledge that Kazja invented the octagon.
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dana will sue him for a rillion dollars

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DarkHelmet - For the last time ...... BJJ is not fighting Phone Post 3.0
Yeah, it's not fighting but it beats every other fighting in a pure martial art contest. Makes sense.

I agree though, that this isn't 1993, and everyone knows BJJ now, you can't just except to walk in and outclass people on the ground even if you're the best BJJ competitor alive. Roger admitted it himself when he said that only like ten percent of sport BJJ is applicable to MMA.

Personally, I think Roger is one of the only non-annoying Gracies and I hate to see his family members make him look bad by trying to fight his battles for him. Phone Post 3.0


beats every other fighting in a pure martial art contest?

How you figure that? Phone Post



see UFC 1-4 when it was vs
It's 2013 though no? Phone Post
Why yes it is 2013! Great observation! And not relevant at all to my point!

Obviously you can't succeed in mma on BJJ alone anymore. We just saw that. My point was that if BJJ isn't a fighting style, then Royce Gracie did a fantastic job beating everyone at UFC 1 without even fighting. Must have been magic.

Also, while most of the Gracies are annoying as fuck, Roger is one of the few nice ones, and I hate people assuming that he's just as arrogant as all the others. In addition to that, people shit on Roger when he tries to use BJJ to win fights and praise Demein Maia when he uses BJJ to win fights. The only difference between the two is success; Maia has adapted his BJJ to be incredibly effective in MMA, whereas Roger has not. Yet they both have the same strategy, but one gets criticized because the rest of his family has given their name a bad reputation. Phone Post 3.0

rock, paper, scissors...

things worked out the way they worked out in the early UFC events but what would Royce do against a half decent wrestler wanting to stand and wing punches?

Just trying to say things aren't so matter of fact just because one guy beat some unaware scrappers once upon a time.(sounds like I am putting down Gracie's accomplishments but that's not my intention)

Standing and wanging would really put the wrestler and the BJJ guy on equal footing since both tend to not be very good at it without practice.

Just for the record, Dan Severn was a high level wrestler. He didn't stand and wang with Royce despite having a considerable size advantage (he outweighed Royce by 80 lbs) so obviously he didn't like his chances there and even a good wrestler can be taken down by a BJJ guy if he's focused too much on striking. Severn was a DI All-American and an alternate on the US Olympic team. He also had a considerable size advantage on Royce. Royce choked him out.

People seem to think that there were no good wrestlers in the early UFC's but this simply wasn't true. There were several and most were among the biggest fighters competing at the time. Dan Severn wasn't the only one.

Emanuel Yarborough (the sumo wrestler) was a DI All-American wrestler.

Ken Shamrock was one of the best high school wrestlers in the state before breaking his neck his senior year.

Tank Abbott was a JC All-American.

Don Frye was a DI wrestler and won an Olympic qualifier.

Mark Schultz was an Olympic gold medalist but only fought once in the mid 90's.

There were probably a few others with a solid wrestling background but I don't remember. Ironically, current MMA rules hinder the BJJ more than any others.

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The Gracie family can be kind of annoying a lot of the time.

Lets not bitch too much as we wouldn't be where we are without the involvement of this family.

Instrumental in developing BJJ, MMA/ NHB, the UFC > being a little annoying Phone Post 3.0

WRONG. It would have made it here eventually. There had been tons of fights in Japan, Europe an other places. For them to get credit for MMA is ludicrous. the IDEA of the UFC and the Octagon itself was Art Davie who then went to Rorion Gracie and added him as a partner.

Davie had envisioned an Octogon with a moat of FIRE surounding a Barbbedwire Octogon Fence.

If it wasn't Rorion it would have been someone else.

Yes they have done an amazing job of promoting the name "GRACIE" probably better than any other family in modern history, LOL.


Id say you're a bit wrong too. You are making an assumption that MMA would have made it to where it was and how it did eventually. It was Royce, the skinny, 170 something lb guy that flipped the script on the fight world when he started tapping guys out, it was BJJ. Im not a fan of Rorion or Royce particularly (lets not forget he roided against Saku after all that anti-roid spew he went off on before) but they are indispensible pioneers of the game.

Yes, MMA existed in Japan but the Gracies and Brazilians were fighting Vale Tudo in Brazil for decades. They were more advanced during that time as a whole esp when it came to grappling. The level of ground in Pancrase and Shooto at the time was pretty sloppy in general compared to BJJ.
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i love it when strictly bjj guys jab others for not understanding "fighting"
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r_o_y - He got cut cause he looked like crap.



When is the gracie family going to except that their jiu-jitsu won't get them through high level mma?



I still respect them but a lot of them act like fighters are supposed to lay on the ground and offer thier limbs for sacrifice.


This is not 1993 anymore.
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Let's see . . . Renzo Gracie has two current UFC champs, and one former champ (ie, GSP, Weidman, Edgar) training under his team right now. Is there another team in MMA that has two UFC champs right now?

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Jose Aldo and Renan Barao. :)

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