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8/23/13 10:33 PM
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TuLegit - If a guy says he is mentally ill and you still question him you're a fucking asshole. Straight up. Phone Post 3.0
What if the guy claiming mental illness is a fucking asshole?


Straight up. Phone Post 3.0

It's one thing to say he has a mental illness, and another to do something about it. Has he seeked help whatsoever? Guys like Sonnen went to see sports psychiatrist, has Mayhem seen a regular one?

Agreed.

I personally believe Mayhem is a few cards short of a full deck, but I'm no shrink, and even if I were, I have never examined him, so my opinion means squat. He might be crazy, he might not. None of us swinging dicks know for certain one way or the other.

Besides, even if Mayhem is legitimately nuts, that doesn't excuse his behavior. It's his responsibility seek help. If he chooses not to do that and endangers other people, then fuck him, regardless of whether he is mentally ill or not. Mental illness is not a 'get out of jail free' card.

Ehhhh youre understanding of mental illness might be a little weak.

Saying it doesn't excuse his behavior is like saying "Having a broken femur isn't an excuse for sitting on your ass all day, you lazy piece of shit".

Mental illness is exactly that, an ILLNESS of the mind. It means your brain does not function properly. People are so out of the loop in understanding that your behaviors are all a consequence of the complex chemical workings inside your brain. If these chemicals are off, then your brain doesn't work properly and you are really UNABLE to make rational decisions like people who are mentally healthy.

I am not commenting on whether or not Jason has a mental illness, I have no idea (although he did say he has received treatment for it so I would lean towards yes) but people need to understand that there is no rational decision making going on for a lot of people who suffer from mental illness.

You don't blame someone who has lung cancer for not breathing properly.
Alcoholics and drug addicts are in the same boat in your opinion? Phone Post

Some are, some aren't. Depression is the same way. Some people feel depressed because there life isn't where they want it to be, there boyfriend broke up with them etc. Some people are depressed when their life is great, they could win the lottery, marry the person of their dreams, get a huge promotion etc. The depression is caused by chemical imbalances, there is literally nothing they can do to feel better (other than maybe take meds to right these imbalances).

Diagnosing things based on symptoms makes it tough, and lumps two things in the same category that may not be the same at all.

Some people love beer or drugs and drink and use until they become addicted, because they are dealing with a physically addicting substance. A lot of addicts have been shown to have abnormalities in the region of the brain that controls impulse, they simply can't control their desires the way others can.

Addiction is slightly different, in my opinion, because it often involves an otherwise rational person making a decision to commit an act. With many mental illnesses the person is seriously unable to make those rational decisions.

Im not a neuroscientist, so you could easily find people with better explanations than my own but I do think that the idea that everyone is solely responsible for their actions is kind of outdated. The brain can get sick just like any other part of the body, and this means it will fail or falter just like any other part of the body that can get ill. The only difference is with the brain your actions and behavior are the symptom.
So basically, everyone has an excuse. I take it you're a therapist of some sort? Phone Post

Im not saying everyone has an excuse, but there ARE many instances of legitimate excuses for odd or socially unacceptable behavior. You can't just straight up blame everyone for all of their actions without understanding what is really going on.

Any of us without a mental illness could sit here and say "What a douche, I would never act that way" but in reality we don't know, because we have never been in that position and we are not that person.
8/23/13 10:33 PM
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Ok, say he has a mental illness and chooses to do nothing about it, what would it take for you guys to say he needs to be locked up for his own good? Especially before he hurts others?
8/23/13 10:34 PM
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This tread needs less white knight philosophizing and more facts.

Fact. Phone Post 3.0
8/23/13 10:37 PM
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I think an argument could be made for being bipolar. What is really bad about bipolar is that controlling it with meds may have a lot of side effects and people can't really control themselves once they start becoming manic.

And in case you ask, yes I am a doctor.

I also had someone write an interesting article for my site (fightmedicine.net) about being bipolar and training MMA to actually help her:
http://fightmedicine.net/outsidethecage/battling-mental-illness-with-mixed-martial-arts

Whether someone is a jackass when they are not manic is another issue, but exceptions should be made to understand them when they are manic or hypo-manic (not quite manic) Phone Post 3.0
8/23/13 10:37 PM
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Mr Makaveli - Lol if true Phone Post 3.0

You find mental illness funny?

I do

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8/23/13 10:38 PM
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I ain't no docta. But the dude seems a bit cray cray.

Just a tad more cray cray than the UG.... ;)
8/23/13 10:39 PM
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Poonug - This tread needs less white knight philosophizing and more facts.

Fact. Phone Post 3.0

Agreed

Way too much armchair head-shrinking IMO

There is no reason to argue about his mental illness when we don't even know whether he has been diagnosed as clinical case.
8/23/13 10:49 PM
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Another arrest for domestic violence.  Same thing he was arrested for last week.

 

8/23/13 10:52 PM
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Another arrest for domestic violence.  Same thing he was arrested for last week.

 


Yep

My sympathy is with his battered girlfriend, not Mayhem. That poor girl needs to get the hell away from Jason.
8/23/13 10:54 PM
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wow @ the everything is an illness crowd
8/23/13 11:05 PM
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It's sad. Phone Post 3.0
8/23/13 11:10 PM
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Maybe he's getting arrested now on purpose to further sell that he has "mental" issues instead of just being an asshole. $.02
8/23/13 11:13 PM
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UPDATE: The official book report states that Miller was arrested on a 273.5 (A) felony charge of Corporal Injury of Spouse aka. domestic violence. It's the same type of charge he was arrested on just over a week ago.


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8/23/13 11:14 PM
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TuLegit - If a guy says he is mentally ill and you still question him you're a fucking asshole. Straight up. Phone Post 3.0

 

I'm not trying to downplay mental illness or whatever Jason is dealing with... but let's be real.. your statement is far from a "straight up" situation.

 

That's just as straight up as saying "if a guy says he is a tree trapped in a human body and you still question him you're a fucking asshole".

People can "say" anything they want to and as such it's fair to question. Jason's situation could be so many different possible things. No one here is with him every second of the day to verify what is really going on.

I just hope he finds a way to pull himself together and figure out whatever it is that is going so wrong in his life as I'd generally wish anyone in those circumstances.

8/23/13 11:16 PM
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8/23/13 11:17 PM
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Are you guys this sensitive to Lindsay Logan?

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8/23/13 11:17 PM
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8/23/13 11:18 PM
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He should go to prison. Phone Post
8/23/13 11:21 PM
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That 20% of people have a mental illness is a bullshit inflated number to sell more drugs and make the pharmaceutical companies more money. Phone Post
8/23/13 11:21 PM
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ArtMinaj - Are you guys this sensitive to Lindsay Logan?

MMA fans are a delusional bunch who live in their own world. Phone Post
Pro wrestling is for retards, rednecks and the retarded redneck offspring of whatever the fuck spawned you.




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8/23/13 11:22 PM
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mdrndaysamurai - That 20% of people have a mental illness is a bullshit inflated number to sell more drugs and make the pharmaceutical companies more money. Phone Post
Are you a tinfoil salesman by chance? Phone Post
8/23/13 11:27 PM
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I rest my case. Phone Post
8/24/13 12:01 AM
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mdrndaysamurai -  That 20% of people have a mental illness is a bullshit inflated number to sell more drugs and make the pharmaceutical companies more money. Phone Post

Yeah if you leaf through the DSM-IV (psychiatrist bible) .. basically everything you could imagine is tied into a named diagnosable mental illness in some way. The book is truly massive.

8/24/13 12:08 AM
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TuLegit - If a guy says he is mentally ill and you still question him you're a fucking asshole. Straight up. Phone Post 3.0

 

This should erase any doubt of whether or not I am an asshole.

 

I couldn't care less if someone thinks I'm an asshole for speaking the truth. I'll question his honesty because he hasn't exactly been acting like a trustworthy fellow as of late.

 

The day I care more about what people think of me than the truth is the day I'll lose all respect for myself.

Lol the day you care.... You clearly do enough to post a pic in your response, talk about mayhem like you know him and make accusations against him. Quit playing the I just don't care card cause you obviously fuckin do. Phone Post 3.0
8/24/13 12:15 AM
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mdrndaysamurai - That 20% of people have a mental illness is a bullshit inflated number to sell more drugs and make the pharmaceutical companies more money. Phone Post
Are you a tinfoil salesman by chance? Phone Post

Hat assembly dept.

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