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8/25/13 10:52 PM
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Many fans and media have called Georges St-Pierre the best wrestler in MMA despite the fact that St-Pierre never wrestled competively. The notion however, is INSANE, if you ask Bellator champion and Olympic wrestler Ben Askren:

The notion that he's the best wrestler is insane to me. He's got a great double leg and good timing, but just watching him, you see a lot of areas he's just not a natural wrestler. He doesn't flow as well as other wrestlers. If Johny Hendricks is training his wrestling, which that's a mistake that a lot of wrestlers make is they get out of it and they think they got to get better at striking and jiu jitsu and they totally forget about their wrestling. I did that for a couple of months earlier in my career and I learned. But they totally step away from wrestling and they get so rusty and they lose a lot of those battles. If Johny Hendricks is staying on point and getting some wrestling in, which hopefully he's smart enough to do, he'll definitely outwrestle Georges St. Pierre.

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8/25/13 10:59 PM
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We all know this. He has some great takedowns, but the BJJ world thinks that's all there is to wrestling and don't know that par terre is as fully developed and complex as the guard is. 

8/25/13 11:09 PM
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There no area Askren wins that fight Phone Post 3.0
8/25/13 11:20 PM
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GSP would wrestlefuck Askren until his hair went straight. Phone Post 3.0
8/25/13 11:22 PM
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Askren would ride GSP like a pony?
8/25/13 11:33 PM
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James Tony is probably the best and most skilled boxer to ever set foot in the UFC, guess what? it didn't mean shit because it was an MMA fight.

Without a doubt askren is a better pure wrestler than GSP, but tell them both to put 4oz gloves on and let GSP be able to throw hands and it is a whole different game. The timing and set-ups are all different.

GSP's MMA wrestling is PROBABLY better than Askren's, but his pure wrestling isnt. Either way in an MMA fight GSP is light-years ahead
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Ten eight round - The idea that he is a Mixed Martial Arts champion is insane. Not one bit of his game is a mix of anything bar wrestling. Phone Post
Hmm well I can help you better explain the insanity. Please go watch the Hughes fight when he first won the title, or the Serra fight when he regained the title, or the second Hughes fight, or the Fitch fight, or the BJ Penn fight, or the Koschek fight, or the Shields fight, or a good portion if the Diaz fight.

Hopefully those fights give you a bit more perspective and help explain the insanity. Phone Post 3.0
He was talking about Askren...I hope. Phone Post 3.0
8/25/13 11:58 PM
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GSP24 - GSP would wrestlefuck Askren until his hair went straight. Phone Post 3.0
I chuckled. Bully for you. Phone Post 3.0
8/26/13 12:10 AM
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ausgepicht -

We all know this. He has some great takedowns, but the BJJ world thinks that's all there is to wrestling and don't know that par terre is as fully developed and complex as the guard is. 

A fully developed system for going from turtle to half guard or side control with no intention of ever damaging or threatening your opponent. THIS is what definitely should be scored the highest in mma.
* clap clap clap * Phone Post 3.0
8/26/13 12:22 AM
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Heyhey!! It's the dude who hugs his opponent because he's affraid to fight!! He should be cut after a single round of this imo!! Phone Post 3.0
8/26/13 12:23 AM
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Lmfao!! Askren said what again??? Come on junior!!!! Phone Post
8/26/13 12:23 AM
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You would think that someone who does MMA would know the difference between a fight and a wrestling match.

8/26/13 12:24 AM
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Not insane, PROVEN Phone Post 3.0
8/26/13 12:24 AM
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Keep your 'Sonnen" talk up amd you may find your way into the UFC little league with Bisbing! Phone Post
8/26/13 12:29 AM
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Askren ragdolls GSP. Thats an Olympian not the college level guys he has been beating. Phone Post
8/26/13 12:38 AM
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MIKE CIESNOLEVICZ -  Askren ragdolls GSP. Thats an Olympian not the college level guys he has been beating. Phone Post

This is not how a fight between them would go, I think you know better.

8/26/13 12:58 AM
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GSP's jab is why his wrestling is so effective against wrestlers. Kosheck, in a pure grappling match, would dominate GSP.

The problem is that GSP uses timing, footwork, and has a good jab to keep wrestlers from getting close enough to shoot effectively. Some wrestlers end up giving up and just throw haymakers and rarely landing, if landing at all.

Other wrestlers, when frustrated, have opted to charge into GSP with strikes. This is when GSP ducks under and hits the double or the knee tap.

To beat GSP at mma wrestling, you first need to be able to beat him to the jab
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Georges is a better MMA wrestler, but if these two were to fight each other, I think Georges would use more striking.

He grapples strikers, and strikes with grapplers. When he faces two dimensional fighters is when he goes with the opponents weaker skillset. Ben has the misfortune of being a pure wrestler. Be pretty similar to the Shields fight, pre eye poke. Phone Post 3.0
8/26/13 1:00 AM
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Which, by the way, Askren has no hope of doing. Askren is my favorite wrestler of his era and could tech fall GSP in seconds if it was just wrestling. But, his striking isn't good enough to get the distance he would need to shoot effectively.

Hendricks will have the same problem.
8/26/13 1:06 AM
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Ben has selective hearing. Phone Post 3.0
8/26/13 1:38 AM
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8/26/13 1:53 AM
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I think GSP's greatest showing of outwrestling a wrestler in mma was the Trigg fight. Of course, Trigg was never near Askren's level of accomplishment in wrestling, but it is simply untrue that GSP has always relied on striking, much less just the jab he successfully used v Koschek, to beat wrestlers.
8/26/13 1:59 AM
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GSP would clown this clown.
8/26/13 2:19 AM
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Askren is the one fighter who has better mma wrestling than GSP...his style, even back in college always translated well to mma... Phone Post 3.0
8/26/13 2:41 AM
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GSP24 - GSP would wrestlefuck Askren until his hair went straight. Phone Post 3.0

Lulz!

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