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8/30/13 5:48 PM
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558k viewers

8/30/13 6:04 PM
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Episode 01: 432,000
Episode 02: 545,000
Episode 03: 676,000
Episode 04: 505,000
Episode 05: 441,000
Episode 06: 629,000
Episode 07: 398,000
Episode 08: 595,000
Episode 09: 539,000
Episode 10: 558,000


Average: 531,800
8/30/13 6:11 PM
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8/30/13 6:18 PM
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Is this show over? I only caught two episodes. Phone Post 3.0
8/30/13 6:19 PM
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Edited: 08/30/13 6:36 PM
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Horrendous.  If Spike cant monetize bellator with successful spin off programming the property isnt worth as much as they thought.  With the UFC spike had unleashed, best of pride, replays of fight nights, etc...  towards the end Spike was complaining that Unleashed numbers dropped to 800k.

the last season of tuf on spike averaged 1.5m viewers.  Bellators Fightmaster season average of 532k is atrocious.

8/30/13 6:21 PM
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Pessimist_Pete - Is this show over? I only caught two episodes. Phone Post 3.0

 

it's over now.... may it rest in peace.

 

8/30/13 6:22 PM
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8/30/13 6:23 PM
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That is fucking pathetic. Phone Post
8/30/13 6:23 PM
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The Principal - Is this good or bad? Phone Post 3.0

 

Horrendous.  If Spike cant monetize bellator with successful spin off programming the property isnt worth as much as they thought.  With the UFC spike had unleashed, best of pride, replays of fight nights, etc...  towards the end Spike was complaining that Unleashed numbers dropped to 800k.

the last season of tuf on spike averaged 1.5m viewers.  Bellators Fightmaster 532k season average is atrocious.

Thanks. Phone Post 3.0
8/30/13 6:25 PM
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These numbers are not good, but the show will get a second season.
8/30/13 6:35 PM
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Lynchman - These numbers are not good, but the show will get a second season.

 

if they're going to spend another 6 to 8 million dollars again on mma it will be to either increase live events or on a reality show that looks completely different.  With these numbers you cant even use the name fightmaster because you have to start fresh.

 

 

8/30/13 6:38 PM
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Even though the programming on spike is unwatchable ..... I do enjoy ink master Phone Post 3.0
8/30/13 6:42 PM
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Randy needs to be a commentator for Bellator. Phone Post 3.0
8/30/13 6:44 PM
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I hope they just dump the whole Bellator experiment. They should just go out and sign deals with promotions all over the world. They could hire a team to call all the events in English.
This would allow them to have a weekly, CHEAP MMA event. It would also be better then investing money and time into a company only to have it fail massively and leave you as a conglomerate publicly embarrassed of said failure.
They could also use new and ORIGINAL spin off shows. One idea would be to invite all the presidents from each company to an event where hundreds of fighters would compete to be drafted into one of the spike promotions. They could give a guy like Coker a show called promotion makeover. He would help the promotion hire better talent and invest in better production.
How about a reality show where they take 2 fighters and give them each a loft that is equipped with a bed a bathroom a kitchen and a gym. They would train MMA for a full year. Watch them as they struggle to accomplish their dream. Watch how being away from their friends and family for a full year affects them. At the end of the year the fighter would have his first professional bout for one of the spike promotions. While in the loft the fighters would be given the opportunity to learn different parts of MMA from all the greatest trainers in the world.
If the show is successful the second season could focus on there's fighters climb through their respective promotions.
I think another cool MMA show would be where a camera crew follows the scouts for the promotions. Show us the fans glimpses of fighters in regional shows. We could hear the scouts notes and learn what they are looking for in fighters. Some times we might even get to watch 2 promotions have a bidding war for a fighter.
There are a lot more opportunities for spike with a lot less risk with this business model. And more live MMA for us. :)
8/30/13 6:53 PM
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The Principal - Is this good or bad? Phone Post 3.0

 

Horrendous.  If Spike cant monetize bellator with successful spin off programming the property isnt worth as much as they thought.  With the UFC spike had unleashed, best of pride, replays of fight nights, etc...  towards the end Spike was complaining that Unleashed numbers dropped to 800k.

the last season of tuf on spike averaged 1.5m viewers.  Bellators Fightmaster season average of 532k is atrocious.


So over 500k is HORRENDOUS for Bellator,

 

but UFC doing 800 on Fox is a huge success?

 

How are those shill paychecks?

8/30/13 6:53 PM
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Chris27 - Episode 01: 432,000
Episode 02: 545,000
Episode 03: 676,000
Episode 04: 505,000
Episode 05: 441,000
Episode 06: 629,000
Episode 07: 398,000
Episode 08: 595,000
Episode 09: 539,000
Episode 10: 558,000


Average: 531,800
I wanna see a post like this for the coming tuf ... It's gives a good idea of things. Phone Post 3.0
8/30/13 7:02 PM
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Chris27 - Episode 01: 432,000
Episode 02: 545,000
Episode 03: 676,000
Episode 04: 505,000
Episode 05: 441,000
Episode 06: 629,000
Episode 07: 398,000
Episode 08: 595,000
Episode 09: 539,000
Episode 10: 558,000


Average: 531,800
Quoting you for numbers but the comment I'm about to make is for logic.


Considering belatore IS a "feeder league", second place, not the big show etc.

How are these numbers not a success? I really don't understand it.

They are very clearly accepting the roll as second best when you look at tfe statements that they will let askren just walk away as champion, making any future champion a paper champion at best.

With that being said, again I ask, how are these numbers unsuccessful in your view?


I look at the MLB and AAA as an example as a feeder league system

MLB puts 30-50 thousand people in the stadium for a regular season game. If a AAA team put even 15 thousand people at a game it would be a success. Phone Post 3.0
8/30/13 7:04 PM
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Your a looser i dont watch that shit either but why do you even care Phone Post
8/30/13 7:29 PM
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Chris27 - Episode 01: 432,000
Episode 02: 545,000
Episode 03: 676,000
Episode 04: 505,000
Episode 05: 441,000
Episode 06: 629,000
Episode 07: 398,000
Episode 08: 595,000
Episode 09: 539,000
Episode 10: 558,000


Average: 531,800
Quoting you for numbers but the comment I'm about to make is for logic.


Considering belatore IS a "feeder league", second place, not the big show etc.

How are these numbers not a success? I really don't understand it.

They are very clearly accepting the roll as second best when you look at tfe statements that they will let askren just walk away as champion, making any future champion a paper champion at best.

With that being said, again I ask, how are these numbers unsuccessful in your view?


I look at the MLB and AAA as an example as a feeder league system

MLB puts 30-50 thousand people in the stadium for a regular season game. If a AAA team put even 15 thousand people at a game it would be a success. Phone Post 3.0

For bellator the numbers are great...  they used to get 200k viewers on mtv2 and even less before that.  for spike it's not.  The primetime average for spike is over 700k so this is a failure on primetime.  This is also the lowest rated original spike programming.  Any replay can carry the TNA audience as well if not better than fightmaster.

So it's a failure for spike.  And because it's a failure for spike it's ultimately a failure for bellator.

if the numbers could work for spike, Bellator would be fine with it.  So you're argument is correct from bellators perspective but not from spikes perspective and unfortunately spikes perspective is the one that counts.

8/30/13 7:30 PM
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8/30/13 7:33 PM
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If Spike can get like 800K or 1mil+ for a replay of bar rescue or ink master in that timeslot, why would they pay more for a MMA show that doesn't draw as much or more? there's no point. actually you hurt your overall business.
8/30/13 7:40 PM
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The Principal - Is this good or bad? Phone Post 3.0

 

Horrendous.  If Spike cant monetize bellator with successful spin off programming the property isnt worth as much as they thought.  With the UFC spike had unleashed, best of pride, replays of fight nights, etc...  towards the end Spike was complaining that Unleashed numbers dropped to 800k.

the last season of tuf on spike averaged 1.5m viewers.  Bellators Fightmaster season average of 532k is atrocious.


So over 500k is HORRENDOUS for Bellator,

 

but UFC doing 800 on Fox is a huge success?

 

How are those shill paychecks?

 

First i never said 800k was a "huge success"...

 

secondly, fs1 averages 160k viewers.... spike averages 700k viewers.  So 800k on fs1 is completely different than 500k on spike.

bellator wouldnt even pull 200k viewers on fs1.

Again you have to look at what determines success.  800k may be good for fox on fs1 but it's not very good for the UFC... but ultimately what's good for fs1 determines the programming and that's why you are seeing all the prelims shifting over to fs1 and the 2 fight nights originally scheduled for fs2 now shifting to fs1.

Conversely, 500k may be fine for bellator because they're coming from an audience of around 200k on mtv2... but it's not fine for spike and unfortunately what's good for spike will determine the future of bellator and that's why you saw spike pull all the replays of fightmaster off the rotation and then pull it off primetime.

8/30/13 7:42 PM
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Mertvaya Ruka - If Spike can get like 800K or 1mil+ for a replay of bar rescue or ink master in that timeslot, why would they pay more for a MMA show that doesn't draw as much or more? there's no point. actually you hurt your overall business.

^ this.

8/30/13 8:02 PM
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As Fightmasters was in season 1 how does it compare to TUF season 1 in ratings Phone Post 3.0
8/30/13 8:05 PM
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I don't even know what channel spike is anymore.


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