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9/12/13 7:14 PM
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Anyone find it strange the UK ent better at wrestling , cause didn't catch sort of start of in the north of england ?
9/12/13 7:26 PM
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i do bjj, but i've learned some catch wrestling subs that i find on videos online and i'll throw them in when i can, just because they come from places people really aren't expecting. my favorite is the neck scissors from north/south while working from their kimura defense on top.
9/12/13 7:35 PM
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Basicly,

BJJ = More like Judo, use your opponents mistakes against them. Use little physical strength so as to conserve, wait for openings or force them when the time is right

Catch = (as stated before) Pain compliance. Use force to muscle, crank, and grind your way into position. Make things happen, dont wait for them to.
9/12/13 7:42 PM
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Gotch toe hold - Billy Robunson

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Grovit - Billy Robinson

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Double wrist lock - Billy Robinson

9/12/13 7:51 PM
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Shin locks - Billy Robinson

9/12/13 7:55 PM
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Billy Robinson coaching

9/12/13 7:59 PM
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Long  sit-out - Billy Robinson

9/12/13 8:00 PM
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Stonemann - Basicly,

BJJ = More like Judo, use your opponents mistakes against them. Use little physical strength so as to conserve, wait for openings or force them when the time is right

Catch = (as stated before) Pain compliance. Use force to muscle, crank, and grind your way into position. Make things happen, dont wait for them to.

I have not met a BJJ guy yet that did not use a lot of strength.  One of the great myths.

Someone once said that BJJ is gentle and Catchwrestling is like a mugging.

9/12/13 8:02 PM
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Standing posture breaks - Billy Robinson

9/12/13 8:06 PM
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Escape - Billy Robinson

9/12/13 8:11 PM
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Sambo and catch are the two arts I want to train in most, but there is nothing in colorado. Hopefully if I can get moved to san diego they will have it out there. I believe there will always be a place for bjj, and it is my first love, but I think catch and sambo will be the arts of the future and I'm would love to tdin them. Phone Post
9/12/13 8:19 PM
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It's midget tossing in a ring. Phone Post 3.0
9/12/13 8:22 PM
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This thread makes me happy =]
9/12/13 8:38 PM
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e. kaye -

Pins were part of a specific set of rules for matches a certain period of time.   Not all matches specified pins.

The combatants agreed on the rules.  Like boxing before the rules were consolidated.

You can certainly teach and learn CACC without ever getting into pins.  

For fighting, pins make no sense.

 

 

Oh ok, that makes sense.

I had read Lou theze's book and in one of the early chapters he talks about using the hook to get the pin. Different rule set than would be used today Phone Post
9/12/13 8:55 PM
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9/12/13 9:02 PM
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Man Billy Robinson is such a pioneer. He is so inspirational still training and teaching at his age with his cane. I love the pro wrestlers of his generation they were truly great submission wrestlers. He is such a freaking badass!
9/12/13 9:43 PM
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ChipW - 
e. kaye -

Pins were part of a specific set of rules for matches a certain period of time.   Not all matches specified pins.

The combatants agreed on the rules.  Like boxing before the rules were consolidated.

You can certainly teach and learn CACC without ever getting into pins.  

For fighting, pins make no sense.

 

 

Oh ok, that makes sense.

I had read Lou theze's book and in one of the early chapters he talks about using the hook to get the pin. Different rule set than would be used today Phone Post

Great book.

Laying flat on your back was a sign that you were submissive and were at the mercy of your opponent. That's why there is such a emphasis on scrambling, bridging and reversals.. to not be on your back.

9/12/13 10:15 PM
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EDIT: didnt realize there was more than one page. NVM
9/12/13 10:16 PM
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That Gotch leg lock makes me want to see some organization allow shoes again.
9/12/13 11:38 PM
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I would like to subscribe to this thread in order to improve my toolset for talking like a Badass. Phone Post
9/13/13 12:17 AM
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It's Evil, Wicked, Mean and Nasty. Phone Post 3.0
9/13/13 1:24 AM
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I'd say that we are in a post-catch wrestling era. Some BJJ guys were influenced by the "Lost Art of Hooking" series, some developed analogous techniques on their own, etc. etc. That's not to say that old-schoolers like Billy Robinson or even the unfairly maligned Cecchine don't have anything to offer. It just means that BJJ has evolved.

Back in the day, the "proper" way to maintain side control in BJJ was to pin your knees and elbows on the mat next to your opponent's shoulders and hips. Thus, "catch" techniques, which relied on a flattened, legs extended, "pinning," side mount were incompatible with the BJJ side mount.

These days there are a bajillion variations to the side mount in BJJ, so it is no longer an issue of " incompatibility." Add to that BJJers independently developing techniques analogous to catch wrestling (short arm scissors), and you can see that modern BJJ is a hybrid that is still evolving.

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