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9/6/13 4:21 PM
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MR Combatively - Anyone saying kosta tszyu is a moron! And Mayweather would have made Duran say "No Mas" first they fought. Duran would have been so frustrated on not hitting Mayweather with nothing.. You see what Mayweather did when Victor Ortiz left his hands down.. Mayweather would have went for the kill while Duran was being stupid walking away waving his hands..

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Why do you think he so easily beats the prime, Lightweight version of Duran? Duran is arguably the greatest Lightweight in history. I don't know of any experts who'd place him lower than 3rd at Lightweight all-time.

Don't assume that because Ray Leonard did it (at Welterweight by the way) that Floyd could too. First, Ray moved around the ring more than Floyd does. Floyd doesn't really "run" in the ring. He pivots and slides about to get angles but he doesn't "run" and dance like many people seem to think he does. Also, Ray was a much bigger puncher than Floyd. Duran probably doesn't respect Floyd's power at all and crowds him relentlessly, while pounding away at anything he can hit. Castillo wasn't even a poor imitation of a prime Duran when it came to nasty infighting and you saw the fits he gave Floyd the first time around. Add in the fact that Duran would not be fazed at all by Floyd's headgames leading up to the fight and might actually mindfuck Floyd (Duran spit at Ray Leonard's wife to get him riled up) and its a rough night for Floyd. Especially at Lightweight. Pot shotting the Robert Guerreros of the world does not prepare you for the snarling, wild eyed, non-stop aggression of a stone cold killer like Duran.

MR combatively is a troll or completely clueless.

Lets not forget that Duran whipped Leonard's ass in the real fight, when Duran came up in weight to fight him.

Leonard was so depressed after that loss he was going to retire. He was convinced by his manager ( I think) to get an immediate rematch because they knew Duran blew up in weight so much in between fights.

They thought Duran would not be able to back in proper shape in time and they were right. The second fight was not the real Duran.

Duran was better than Leonard and Leonard is better than Floyd.
9/6/13 5:00 PM
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@ chad - I usually vote down the trolls, but I had to vote you up as you know what you're talking about (which is a rarity on here these days). ;-)
9/6/13 7:43 PM
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Problem is...everyone that was meant to trouble pbf has been schooled....and the truth is...as time goes by, training improves, skills improve etc...he is a dick but probably the GOAT...and will remain that way until someone beats him...I keep copying his left shoulder defence too and it needs real skill to slip and counter like he does Phone Post 3.0
9/6/13 7:57 PM
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thewash - Problem is...everyone that was meant to trouble pbf has been schooled....and the truth is...as time goes by, training improves, skills improve etc...he is a dick but probably the GOAT...and will remain that way until someone beats him...I keep copying his left shoulder defence too and it needs real skill to slip and counter like he does Phone Post 3.0
Yep ^^^ I've seen two fighters spar that left me in awe, Pernell Whitaker and Floyd Mayweather, and for the better half of my life I lived seven or so miles from the original Kronk gym, I've seen a lot of boxers. Floyd was amazing, Whitaker was unreal. Phone Post 3.0
9/6/13 8:09 PM
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That left shoulder defence and counter would be too much for anyone...the only one with a chance is SRL and he won't be as quick Phone Post 3.0
9/6/13 8:11 PM
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I will put it out there that SRL apart (god) Hatton would beat all of them too Phone Post 3.0
9/6/13 8:16 PM
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thewash - Problem is...everyone that was meant to trouble pbf has been schooled....and the truth is...as time goes by, training improves, skills improve etc...he is a dick but probably the GOAT...and will remain that way until someone beats him...I keep copying his left shoulder defence too and it needs real skill to slip and counter like he does Phone Post 3.0
Yep ^^^ I've seen two fighters spar that left me in awe, Pernell Whitaker and Floyd Mayweather, and for the better half of my life I lived seven or so miles from the original Kronk gym, I've seen a lot of boxers. Floyd was amazing, Whitaker was unreal. Phone Post 3.0
Jealous btw Phone Post 3.0
9/6/13 8:25 PM
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thewash - Problem is...everyone that was meant to trouble pbf has been schooled....and the truth is...as time goes by, training improves, skills improve etc...he is a dick but probably the GOAT...and will remain that way until someone beats him...I keep copying his left shoulder defence too and it needs real skill to slip and counter like he does Phone Post 3.0
Lol @ training & skills improving. In your wildest dreams, can you imagine a nearly 40 former Middleweight moving up to Heavyweight and whipping Ali, Frazier or Foreman? Because an old school trained James Toney (who turned pro at 154lbs) did just the equivalent of that a few years ago.

Ask Freddie Roach if he believes he's HALF the trainer Eddie Futch was. Who out there now compares to Georgie Benton or Ray Arcel? Does Teddy Atlas or Kevin Rooney match up with Cus? And consider that Cus was considered a bit of a kook in his day.

Diet & Nutrition have seen advances but we have maybe 20% of the pro boxers we had 40 years ago. Nor is our amateur pool even a fraction of what it once was. No way a limited guy like Zab Judah wins multiple titles in boxing's heyday. These guys today have the same physical talents but they've not lived through the same hard times, nor have they fought their way through the same shark infested waters of the ammies or faced anywhere near the level of competition as an up and coming pro. Phone Post
9/6/13 9:12 PM
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thewash - Problem is...everyone that was meant to trouble pbf has been schooled....and the truth is...as time goes by, training improves, skills improve etc...he is a dick but probably the GOAT...and will remain that way until someone beats him...I keep copying his left shoulder defence too and it needs real skill to slip and counter like he does Phone Post 3.0
Lol @ training & skills improving. In your wildest dreams, can you imagine a nearly 40 former Middleweight moving up to Heavyweight and whipping Ali, Frazier or Foreman? Because an old school trained James Toney (who turned pro at 154lbs) did just the equivalent of that a few years ago.

Ask Freddie Roach if he believes he's HALF the trainer Eddie Futch was. Who out there now compares to Georgie Benton or Ray Arcel? Does Teddy Atlas or Kevin Rooney match up with Cus? And consider that Cus was considered a bit of a kook in his day.

Diet & Nutrition have seen advances but we have maybe 20% of the pro boxers we had 40 years ago. Nor is our amateur pool even a fraction of what it once was. No way a limited guy like Zab Judah wins multiple titles in boxing's heyday. These guys today have the same physical talents but they've not lived through the same hard times, nor have they fought their way through the same shark infested waters of the ammies or faced anywhere near the level of competition as an up and coming pro. Phone Post
Well thought out and partly true...but a bit nostalgic...I have traned amateur for 10 years and the evolution has been epic...no disrespect to the old school or anyone, but good trainers have evolved Phone Post 3.0
9/6/13 9:20 PM
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thewash - Problem is...everyone that was meant to trouble pbf has been schooled....and the truth is...as time goes by, training improves, skills improve etc...he is a dick but probably the GOAT...and will remain that way until someone beats him...I keep copying his left shoulder defence too and it needs real skill to slip and counter like he does Phone Post 3.0
Lol @ training & skills improving. In your wildest dreams, can you imagine a nearly 40 former Middleweight moving up to Heavyweight and whipping Ali, Frazier or Foreman? Because an old school trained James Toney (who turned pro at 154lbs) did just the equivalent of that a few years ago.

Ask Freddie Roach if he believes he's HALF the trainer Eddie Futch was. Who out there now compares to Georgie Benton or Ray Arcel? Does Teddy Atlas or Kevin Rooney match up with Cus? And consider that Cus was considered a bit of a kook in his day.

Diet & Nutrition have seen advances but we have maybe 20% of the pro boxers we had 40 years ago. Nor is our amateur pool even a fraction of what it once was. No way a limited guy like Zab Judah wins multiple titles in boxing's heyday. These guys today have the same physical talents but they've not lived through the same hard times, nor have they fought their way through the same shark infested waters of the ammies or faced anywhere near the level of competition as an up and coming pro. Phone Post
At the end of the day Leonard outworks Floyd, Duran walks him down and probably KO's him, Hearns shows him what it feels like to get hit with a real jab en route to a win, prime Oscar decisions him, and finally Pryor & Whitaker are both toss ups. I think Mayweather does well against the rest of the list which puts him somewhere in the bottom half of the top 10. Phone Post
9/6/13 9:23 PM
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thewash - Problem is...everyone that was meant to trouble pbf has been schooled....and the truth is...as time goes by, training improves, skills improve etc...he is a dick but probably the GOAT...and will remain that way until someone beats him...I keep copying his left shoulder defence too and it needs real skill to slip and counter like he does Phone Post 3.0
Lol @ training & skills improving. In your wildest dreams, can you imagine a nearly 40 former Middleweight moving up to Heavyweight and whipping Ali, Frazier or Foreman? Because an old school trained James Toney (who turned pro at 154lbs) did just the equivalent of that a few years ago.

Ask Freddie Roach if he believes he's HALF the trainer Eddie Futch was. Who out there now compares to Georgie Benton or Ray Arcel? Does Teddy Atlas or Kevin Rooney match up with Cus? And consider that Cus was considered a bit of a kook in his day.

Diet & Nutrition have seen advances but we have maybe 20% of the pro boxers we had 40 years ago. Nor is our amateur pool even a fraction of what it once was. No way a limited guy like Zab Judah wins multiple titles in boxing's heyday. These guys today have the same physical talents but they've not lived through the same hard times, nor have they fought their way through the same shark infested waters of the ammies or faced anywhere near the level of competition as an up and coming pro. Phone Post
Well thought out and partly true...but a bit nostalgic...I have traned amateur for 10 years and the evolution has been epic...no disrespect to the old school or anyone, but good trainers have evolved Phone Post 3.0
Of course it is nostalgic, he is referencing boxing 30 years ago. You said you have "traned" for 10 years so are you talking about the evolution since 2003? Phone Post
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thewash - Problem is...everyone that was meant to trouble pbf has been schooled....and the truth is...as time goes by, training improves, skills improve etc...he is a dick but probably the GOAT...and will remain that way until someone beats him...I keep copying his left shoulder defence too and it needs real skill to slip and counter like he does Phone Post 3.0
Yep ^^^ I've seen two fighters spar that left me in awe, Pernell Whitaker and Floyd Mayweather, and for the better half of my life I lived seven or so miles from the original Kronk gym, I've seen a lot of boxers. Floyd was amazing, Whitaker was unreal. Phone Post 3.0
Jealous btw Phone Post 3.0
Just an FYI, I got the chance to watch Pernell train in Virginia, I spent about 3 years in the Virginia Beach area in the mid 80's, if Whitaker was ever at Kronk I have no knowledge of it. I also seen a couple of Pernell's fights in Virginia. Mayweather being from Michigan is a no brainer. Phone Post 3.0
9/6/13 10:28 PM
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thewash - I will put it out there that SRL apart (god) Hatton would beat all of them too Phone Post 3.0
Lololol... Phone Post
9/6/13 10:36 PM
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Tilla - @ chad - I usually vote down the trolls, but I had to vote you up as you know what you're talking about (which is a rarity on here these days). ;-)
Thanks for the vote up. Phone Post
9/6/13 10:55 PM
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Read some outside the ring Duran stories from some of his friends, training partners, cornermen, etc.. He was (is) a true one of a kind. He'd bought himself a small plane and flew it around Panama despite not being licensed. Plane goes down in the ocean miles from shore and Duran thinks: "This is it." As the plane fills with water, he changes his mind. Tells himself: "I'm Duran. I'm the Champion and can't die like this!" and swims to shore. Shortly after Duran beats Davey Moore he and Ray Arcel (I think) are leaving Gleason's just as then up and coming Jr. Middle Tony Ayala is walking up to the door with Lou Duva. Duva and Ray talk for a good ten minutes while Tony and Roberto stand about 3' apart and stare silently at each other. Neither one blinked nor said a word the whole time. Other witnesses said it was the most intense staredown they'd ever seen. Phone Post
9/7/13 1:13 AM
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Off topic, but I always liked Julian Jackson

9/7/13 5:35 AM
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thewash - I will put it out there that SRL apart (god) Hatton would beat all of them too Phone Post 3.0

Hatton beats Hearns?

Hatton had his hands full with Urango, got bearly killed by Manny and ducked Witter.
9/7/13 5:39 AM
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Off topic, but I always liked Julian Jackson


He was a monster.

Unreal power.

Nigel Benn, G-Man & Nunn were awesome to watch at that weight, too.
9/7/13 11:01 AM
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thewash - I will put it out there that SRL apart (god) Hatton would beat all of them too Phone Post 3.0

Hatton beats Hearns?

Hatton had his hands full with Urango, got bearly killed by Manny and ducked Witter.
And got a gift decision over Collazo don't forget. Phone Post
9/8/13 12:19 AM
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thewash HAD to have been trolling.
9/8/13 7:34 AM
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Needs more "Marvelous" Marvin Hagler IMO. Phone Post 3.0
9/8/13 11:59 AM
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marlon starling could win a decision vs. Floyd,

honeygan, and hearns could KO him

hawk pryor and RAS-I bramble would make floyds face a mess, but he might get a decision if it went the distance
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Marlon Starling vs. Floyd would be interesting but boring. They'd each try to wait the other out.

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