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9/16/13 7:57 PM
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http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Confirmed-Shooter-at-Navy-Yard-One-Person-Shot-223897891.html

"Survellance video shows the gunman entered the NAVSEA building, at 1336 Isaac Hull Ave., with a shotgun, law enforcement officials told News4's Jackie Bensen.

He shot a security officer in the head, killing him, and took the officer's 9 mm pistol and a magazine of ammunition. The shooter then continued through the building and seemed to target his victims, who were mostly on the third and fourth floors, Bensen reported.

D.C.'s Metropolitan Police Department and several other law enforcement agencies responded with active shooter teams.

During that response, a MPD officer was shot in the leg. The gunman was then shot by a FBI hostage response team, law enforcement sources told Bensen.

Authorities are investigating whether the gunman took the D.C. police officers' rifle."
9/16/13 8:05 PM
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so apparently, banning "assault weapons" wouldnt have helped since no one advocaes for removing security weapons
9/16/13 8:05 PM
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9/16/13 8:07 PM
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Exactly. People will find a way to do bad things. Phone Post 3.0
9/16/13 8:09 PM
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And in a secured area with armed police. There is never a place that is 100% safe.
9/16/13 8:10 PM
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apparently a double barreled shotgun, taking bidens advice
9/16/13 8:18 PM
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Combat Sport Fan - apparently a double barreled shotgun, taking bidens advice

THIS!!!!
9/16/13 8:20 PM
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9/16/13 8:29 PM
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9/16/13 8:40 PM
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Just to play Devil's advocate, what happened to the "good guy with a gun" theory?  Why didn't arming the security guard and police officer work?  So is the saying now "“The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with three or more good guys with guns?"

9/16/13 8:48 PM
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Just to play Devil's advocate, what happened to the "good guy with a gun" theory?  Why didn't arming the security guard and police officer work?  So is the saying now "“The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with three or more good guys with guns?"


wayne lappierre is an idiot thats what happened. Also watch what happened in NYC shooting civilians, cops suck with their weapons.
9/16/13 8:55 PM
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Maybe the security guard was shot before he knew what was going on. Phone Post 3.0
9/16/13 9:02 PM
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uard sure sounds like they all got caught off guard.
9/16/13 9:04 PM
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Just to play Devil's advocate, what happened to the "good guy with a gun" theory?  Why didn't arming the security guard and police officer work?  So is the saying now "“The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with three or more good guys with guns?"

it did, the shooter is dead Phone Post 3.0
9/16/13 9:05 PM
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Curtis_E_Bare - 

Just to play Devil's advocate, what happened to the "good guy with a gun" theory?  Why didn't arming the security guard and police officer work?  So is the saying now "“The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with three or more good guys with guns?"


It does sometimes if the person is well trained.  A woman in Colorado Springs put down a gunman before he had a chance to get his church massacre going.  It isn't a guarantee though.  Most security guards and police officers are not properly trained for a gun battle.

9/16/13 9:08 PM
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9/16/13 9:18 PM
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assault shotgun...

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Just to play Devil's advocate, what happened to the "good guy with a gun" theory? Why didn't arming the security guard and police officer work? So is the saying now "“The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with three or more good guys with guns?""

one thought is the shooter knew he only had to worry about one threat because everyone else would be unarmed. the element of surprise, focus on the guard, and guard most likely had weapon holstered, gave the shooter an advantage.
9/16/13 9:18 PM
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No one knows yet! That and he had someone that was assisting him.
9/16/13 9:27 PM
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How did this guy know how to handle a gun so well? Ex military? Ex LEO? Thug? What's the deal? Phone Post 3.0
9/16/13 9:29 PM
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Curtis_E_Bare - 

Just to play Devil's advocate, what happened to the "good guy with a gun" theory?  Why didn't arming the security guard and police officer work?  So is the saying now "“The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with three or more good guys with guns?"


The theory is fine.  It's not that the shooter doesn't get off any shots, it's that the good guy with the gun stops the shooter after the shooting has started, preventing a higher body count.   

In this case it looks like the shooter knew there was a guy with a gun and took him out first.  Ultimately almost all of these incidents are ended by good guys with guns, including the police. 

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2012/12/mass-killings-stopped-by-armed-citizens.html

9/16/13 9:33 PM
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9/16/13 9:34 PM
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walterhiggens - this guy was killed with guns. so yea, guns worked to stop this guy. too bad more people werent armed or he would have killed less people.
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9/16/13 9:40 PM
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Early reports suggest, that in this instance, every armed person the shooter encountered up to the point the police arrived en masse just served to arm the shooter even more, like some sort of video game filling station. He entered with a shotgun and got a pistol an AR from the good guys. 

9/16/13 9:59 PM
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Stay vigilant and know your surroundings...
9/16/13 10:02 PM
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walterhiggens - this guy was killed with guns. so yea, guns worked to stop this guy. too bad more people werent armed or he would have killed less people.
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