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9/19/13 11:27 PM
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man meets fate is correct.  I'm only discussing UFC vs. Boxing in the USA.  OMG, if we are talking world wide - UFC is NOTHING compared to Boxing.

Kltischko, Khan, Froch, Haye in Europe ??  Huge numbers. .Absolutely huge numbers.  No UFC can do that kind of business because it markets itself rather than mega fights.

9/19/13 11:32 PM
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EatonBeever -

Imagine how silly it would be for Floyd / Canelo promoters to say "Wait, now...hold on, lets whore ourselves out to promote this fight...First thing is first.  We need to be coaches on a Boxing reality tv show - The Ultimate Boxer.  Then we need to create some 'BAD BLOOD" and have coaches talk shit for a while.  Then when we are ready for the ppv, we will have to delay it because one of the 'coaches' is injured and have to wait, so we will do an interim title until the other coach is all better and then we'll tell everyone on Fox, this will be the ultimate biggest boxing fight of all time and EVERYONE will believe us."'

Boxing tried reality shows....they got cancelled. ;-)

Boxing is not dead by any means, but you sound just as ignorant as the "boxing is dead" crowd when you claim MMA (or UFC) is on the decline. How many boxing events are on major public networks every year? How many major cable networks show boxing hihlights and replays 4-5 days a week for hours? You wont face that reality because you have a personal hatred of the UFC/Dana. Phone Post
9/19/13 11:37 PM
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EatonBeever -

Imagine how silly it would be for Floyd / Canelo promoters to say "Wait, now...hold on, lets whore ourselves out to promote this fight...First thing is first.  We need to be coaches on a Boxing reality tv show - The Ultimate Boxer.  Then we need to create some 'BAD BLOOD" and have coaches talk shit for a while.  Then when we are ready for the ppv, we will have to delay it because one of the 'coaches' is injured and have to wait, so we will do an interim title until the other coach is all better and then we'll tell everyone on Fox, this will be the ultimate biggest boxing fight of all time and EVERYONE will believe us."'

Boxing tried reality shows....they got cancelled. ;-)

Boxing is not dead by any means, but you sound just as ignorant as the "boxing is dead" crowd when you claim MMA (or UFC) is on the decline. How many boxing events are on major public networks every year? How many major cable networks show boxing hihlights and replays 4-5 days a week for hours? You wont face that reality because you have a personal hatred of the UFC/Dana. Phone Post

Why would it matter if Boxing events are on a major public network if no one watches it !!!  LMAO!!!   How many people gave a FUCK about UFC on Fox: Jonson vs. Moraga card besides the UFC fan boys ?  No disrespect by the fighters on that card but Lawler was the only person that mattered on that whole card.  It was an event that someone would watch and not remember afterwards. 

And my claims that UFC is on the decline is backed up by numbers where the whole "UFC is swallowing Boxing" is backed up by opinions and no facts. 

 

9/19/13 11:39 PM
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Boxing isn't dead, and i've never understood why some people need to swing dicks and scream about one being better than the other. I watch both and have no problem with that.
9/19/13 11:39 PM
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Like man meets fate has stated - Broner / Paulie M had a bigger audience than the so-called 'UFC on Major Public Network".   It was great UFC got a Fox deal and new exposure, but they threw in the same old watered down crap.  They dont have enough superstars to spread throughout these cards.  And the ones they DO have, they have to match them against ppl no one gives a fuck about.

9/19/13 11:43 PM
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EatonBeever - 
VinnyLogz - As a whole MMA is swallowing Boxing but Boxing will always be more relatable to the average person bc it's just punching, regardless of what type of punch, almost anyone can identity with gettin hit in the face, MMA is so much dynamic, it's gonna take a long long time for it to reach the heights that a big boxing match can reach. Big boxing matches are like the Super Bowl, a lot more people watch that have no idea what going on,it's a big event and people want to be part of its and it's somewhat relatable bc almost everyone has thrown a punch in their life. MMA is just unrelatable to the average person. It's on another level Phone Post 3.0

You completely contradicted yourself.  You just admitted Boxing is more popular to the casual sports fan, but you started by saying mma is swallowing boxing ?!?  WTF ??

UFC ppv numbers are on the decline.  Boxing numbers are up in terms of big fights.  UFC numbers are down.  I don't understand the logic of UFC is swallowing Boxing when more folks are tuning into Boxing.  

Just my opinion, so dont freak out, but UFC is a name brand and a trend - its not a sport.  The sport of MMA will always thrive within the community of martial artists.  While the UFC is a product and a company - which has the capibilities of failing / selling their product.  Losing revenue.  Its all possible.   And with the absolute idiot decisions they make in terms of their product and their match making, the numbers speak for itself.

 

 

 

 

 


First Rogan was wrong, boxing isnt getting sawllowed nor is it dead or close to it but how is that any different than the boxing community and promoters saying years ago the UFC was a fad and would be gone in a few years? 

Neither sport is going anywhere.

Second UFC PPV are actually up compared to last year in terms of event average and total buys, they probably will end up doing the best PPV year since 2010. 

They are also different models, boxing promotes two fighters on PPV, UFC promotes the brand.  Boxing can get two big Floyd fights and a Manny fight and then maybe one other fight on PPV and do well.  UFC does 13 PPV over the course of the year.

UFC can do a big fight that does 900-1 mill buys, then mix in a few 500k fights, a few 300k fights, a 200k fight and then a low fight of 170k or something.  The biggest PPV not involving Floyd or Manny in boxing in recent years was JCC/Sergio and it did 470k buys.  Floyds last fight is said to have done under a milion, whats Manny?Rios gonna do?  Whats Tim/JMM gonna do?

 

9/19/13 11:48 PM
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CapnKindBud - Who goes on an mma forum to start bashing the sport? That's a serious troll thing to do but ok, I'll play. Boxing is on the decline. Mma is on the way up. Boxing has been around for way longer and has deep roots in the USA's psyche .
Given time, I believe that mma will grow very much and the fans will reflect that in far larger numbers than you see today . Phone Post 3.0

Who's bashing the sport of MMA ?   UFC is not a sport, its an organization that talked a big talk with one of its commentators going on ESPN and making stupid idiot statements of "UFC will swallow Boxing".  I'm here to say that it DIDNT HAPPEN!

9/19/13 11:58 PM
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Boxing doesn't really pull those kinds of numbers regularly anymore. Mayweather pulls those numbers. Phone Post 3.0
9/20/13 12:00 AM
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the boxing vs mma shit is so played out.  Rogan was wrong, boxing isnt dead, it isnt going anywhere, Floyd is a huge draw, Manny still can draw, they have guys like JCC, Ward, Broner, Canelo that are great fighters. 

Same with mma, it may not be at its peak anymore but it aint going anywhere, fans still watch, still do big PPV and can sell PPV.  Those saying its dead are just as retarded as mma fans who say boxing is dead. 

 

9/20/13 12:01 AM
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The funny thing is dibella wasn't even being that disrespectful. The wirst thing he could have said to piss people off is call it pitbull fighting, but he also said it has a fan base and if they keep doing what there doing there going to be around along time.

He alos said it best that its a different form of entertainment. Boxing is popular for the art and skill and mma is popular for just cause people want r o see a fight, no matter how shitty the technique is, if you swing for the fences, whether it looks like crap or not, people love it.

Boxing fans don't want to see that leonard garcia style in boxing. They want to see boxers paint a masterpiece, they want to see the defense as important as offense style put on display.

That's real boxing, only people who say otherwise are the noobs who look up old tyson highlights squashing can afer can. Phone Post
9/20/13 12:08 AM
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This fuckin weirdo again? How totally deranged do you gotta be to write up one doctoral thesis after another on how much you despise the UFC? Pathetic fuckin nerd, holy shit @ your fuckin face haha
9/20/13 12:12 AM
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EatonBeever - 
2013 UFC PPV numbers

UFC 156 'Aldo vs. Edgar - 330k

UFC 157 'Rousey vs. Carmouche' - 450k

UFC 158 'GSP vs. Diaz' - 950k <----Dream Match, Diaz a Superstar. GSP a Superstar...Hence the big ppv #'s

UFC 159 'Jones vs. Sonnen' - 550k

UFC 160 'Cain vs. Bigfoot 2' - 380k <---This was a HW championship fight which is suppose to be the biggest fights of them all, and yet lowest ppv buyrate.  Pathetic UFC cant even promote a HW champion.....

UFC 161 'Henderson vs. Evans' - 180k

UFC 162 'Anderson vs. Weidman' - 550k

UFC 163 'Aldo vs. Korean Zombie' - 170k
 
 
We are toward the end of the year and these numbers are MUCH lower than the previous 5 years.  I know there is a rumor UFC is for sale which is probably untrue, but if the UFC is on the decline which it is, I can def see Zuffa cashing in on its popularity before it dies off like pro wrestling of 90's.
 

You can't blame the UFC for not being able to promote the HW championship fight. Cain says nothing to build up fights. JDS says virtually nothing either.

Compare their approach to selling the fight with the ultimate hype job Floyd and Canelo's camp were doing on each other or the great job Diaz and GSP did. Cain gives them literally nothing to work with as far as building up a fight. Even if you do the countdown specials, all you see is Cain training and being a nice guy. Same with JDS. There's nothing to sell to people who aren't hardcore fans.
9/20/13 12:12 AM
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Why are you guys acting like anyone besides Mayweather is makin that kind of money. Rogan is 100% correct. You cant name one other fighter who right now or ever again will make "Mayweather money." That shit is gonna end the minute he retires. Saying otherwise is illogical seeing how nobody else in boxing is a real draw.

Mayweather's kids and his kid's kids are gonna be watchin mma and Eaton Beaver is gonna spaz the fuck out, watch.
9/20/13 12:21 AM
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Stephen Holder - Why are you guys acting like anyone besides Mayweather is makin that kind of money. Rogan is 100% correct. You cant name one other fighter who right now or ever again will make "Mayweather money." That shit is gonna end the minute he retires. Saying otherwise is illogical seeing how nobody else in boxing is a real draw.

Mayweather's kids and his kid's kids are gonna be watchin mma and Eaton Beaver is gonna spaz the fuck out, watch.

Mayweather is at the top now so he makes the most money, but plenty of other boxers are still getting rich from the sport. Boxing has never lacked for superstars. I'd put a SN bet on it that 5 years down the line there will be new superstars to replace Mayweather, but fuck waiting 5 years for an answer. :)
9/20/13 12:24 AM
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Stephen Holder - Why are you guys acting like anyone besides Mayweather is makin that kind of money. Rogan is 100% correct. You cant name one other fighter who right now or ever again will make "Mayweather money." That shit is gonna end the minute he retires. Saying otherwise is illogical seeing how nobody else in boxing is a real draw.

Mayweather's kids and his kid's kids are gonna be watchin mma and Eaton Beaver is gonna spaz the fuck out, watch.
Paq makes pretty damn good money. Klitschkos makes big money, haye makes big money.

All those guys make in the double digit millions. Is it 80-100 million? No. But o can easily name you 20 guys right now of the top of my head that have had made millions in one fight. .. guaranteed fight purse to, not this add up all my sponsors bs.


Floyd makes that much cause he is in businees for himself and is a great business man. Phone Post
9/20/13 2:15 AM
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The success of pbf vs canelo is good for combat sports in general. Just like boxing isnt dead and will have more stars, so will mma. Ufc has done a great job of transitioning from the stars of the tuf 1 era to the current roster. Eventually theyll have an exciting star with charisma who can transcend the sport, just like boxing will have another after pbf.

The problem with mma is the sport itself unfortunately. Where in boxing the rules, judging, length of fight has been created for the sport, mma is living in a boxing mold that doesnt work. 15 minute three round fights for the elite of the sport doesnt work, especially in the confines of a ten point must system where its nearly impossible to get anyone to score 10-10 or 10-8 rounds.

And the rules suck. Every show theres a time where knees on the ground would change a fight....not for a brutal ending, but to add fluidity and excitement to it. Phone Post
9/20/13 2:33 AM
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HULC - Boxing isn't dead, and i've never understood why some people need to swing dicks and scream about one being better than the other. I watch both and have no problem with that.

fanboys gonna fanboy

9/20/13 2:49 AM
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Why do you even give a fuck?

They're too different sports and both are awesome in their own right. I don't want either to die.

More Sport = Win. Phone Post 3.0
9/20/13 3:24 AM
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UFC 158 'GSP vs. Diaz' - 950k


PLEASE Nick Diaz save MMA Phone Post 3.0
9/20/13 5:38 AM
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Joe Rogan was incorrect and MMA fans who had that belief will have to alter it.

There will always be room for boxing as it is its own understandable and popular entity. It will remain to be that for a long, long time to come.

MMA will simply find its own place next to it, but it will not "swallow" it.
9/20/13 5:54 AM
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I would say besides the two big boxing headliners UFC trumps boxing buys. Boxing has two guys that are massive draws that boxing fans and casuals pays to see and they pay about two to three times per year.

UFC pays their fighters dramatically less and the majority of the time does as well if not better than most boxing cards. Floyd got paid exponentially more than GSP and Diaz yet they drew virtually the same amount of ppv buys. UFC can put up quite a few cards per year that will break the 500k buys mark while boxing can't hit that mark without Floyd or manny.

It remains to be seen if manny will even be much of a draw after his recent losses and manny and Floyd are both exiting their primes. UFC is a brand that has been very smart with fighter pay and have developed a business model that builds more consistent draws than boxing's two to three star system.

Looking at both situations, I would bet on UFC's long term success over boxing's long term success. The foundation created by the UFC is simply better and the fact that there is even an argument about UFC doing better considering they've only been drawing well for a decade or a little less is an achievement in itself. Phone Post 3.0
9/20/13 6:08 AM
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A lot of logic fail happening. UFC numbers are down because the market is saturated with content. The attention is diluted across many cards every year. The boxing numbers will continue to rise, for the one lone relevant fight every year, because the attention is concentrated there more and more.

One boxer making money, is not a sign of boxing growing. It's a sign of boxing shrinking.

Top-15 PPV events last year? 10 from the UFC, 4 from boxing. The few remaining boxers with name recognition, are not being replaced as they're retiring. Some people really do need a weather man to tell them which way the wind is blowing.
9/20/13 6:13 AM
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To be fair to Rogan the sport back then was shit. De La Hoya was near the end. Hopkins/Jones/Mosley were there barely being relevant. It wasn't until around 2008 when the sport started making the slow change to now in 2013 where the sport is officially in the come back stage with having 2 big budgets and going back on network TV.

I believe both sports are here to stay and when I read posts like the one CapnKindBud posted a few minutes I ago I have no choice but to shove off, clearly Capn still thinks it's 2006 and Liddell vs Ortiz 2 is Saturday night. Then he calls boxing fans old.
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ok, how ma y buys does a boxing card without mayweather or pacqiao do? boxing is dying... once these 2 superstars retire, there better be a few new ones to replace them or it will be a slippery slope imo Phone Post
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Immaculata - He's 36.

he'll be around for at least another decade.

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