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9/22/13 1:11 AM
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I still think he demolishes the likes of meathead and schaub but the top tier like cormier, cain and jds would slaughter him.
9/22/13 1:16 AM
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Agreed. Especially JDS. Jones can't box unfortunately... Phone Post 3.0
9/22/13 1:16 AM
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It's clear now that his greatest advantage is his size. If placed against someone that is fast and large, it equalizes most of his "talent". Anyone that thought he ever stood a chance against a HW was dreaming anyway. He's really good, but he couldn't take a flush shot to the temple from JDS or Cain or Mir etc.

9/22/13 1:18 AM
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Agreed Phone Post 3.0
9/22/13 1:27 AM
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Cain , jds will smash him , I even think Barnett can take him down and sub him. ;) Phone Post 3.0
9/22/13 1:53 AM
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Werdum, Miocic, Browne, Overeem, JDS, Cain all beat him. Phone Post 3.0
9/22/13 2:24 AM
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TTT Phone Post 3.0
9/22/13 10:36 AM
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To say Jones is not talented is crazy. His size is a great weapon but he's also very skilled and has great heart. His standup needs improvement but hes a champ and still improving.I think as long as Jackson is manageing him he'll stay at 205.
9/22/13 11:39 AM
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Put him in there with the Warmaster and we'll see where he stands amongst the HWs.
9/22/13 11:43 AM
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he has absolutely no head movement at all, he's used to fighting guys he dwarfs and just sticking his hand out there and hoping to poke an eye as boxing defense
9/22/13 12:13 PM
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hubris - he has absolutely no head movement at all, he's used to fighting guys he dwarfs and just sticking his hand out there and hoping to poke an eye as boxing defense
Did you watch the fight?

Jones moves his head a lot. He slipped a ton of gus' punches last night. Phone Post
9/22/13 12:16 PM
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He has great talent. But it "seems" to be nullified by tall fighters with kickboxing skills. Which is ironic, because didnt he start out in kickboxing?

9/22/13 12:18 PM
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The same opinion I had before, beats everybody but the top 3-5.

9/22/13 12:18 PM
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JDS would box Jones head off....no more silly talk please.
9/22/13 12:19 PM
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He has great talent. But it "seems" to be nullified by tall fighters with kickboxing skills. Which is ironic, because didnt he start out in kickboxing?


he started out in wrestling
9/22/13 12:21 PM
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The same opinion I had before, beats everybody but the top 3-5.


I think Brendan Schaub would beat Jones
9/22/13 12:22 PM
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I think he beats them all, because I think Gus would also beat most or all of them.

Those 2 guys are big guys who simply cut weight. Both guys would be 230-240 if they decided to add mass instead of cut weight. They are both tall, strong, skilled, fast, and tough.

I think Cain would be the toughest for both guys because he's faster and a better wrestler, and has better cardio, but, IMO, there are no good HW's out there right now who are physically superior to Jones and Gus.
9/22/13 12:26 PM
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The same opinion I had before, beats everybody but the top 3-5.


I think Brendan Schaub would beat Jones

I don't know why you think his performance against such a great fighter like Gustavvsen warrants that judgement.

9/22/13 12:29 PM
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The same opinion I had before, beats everybody but the top 3-5.


I think Brendan Schaub would beat Jones

I don't know why you think his performance against such a great fighter like Gustavvsen warrants that judgement.


Schaub is a superior athlete compared to Jones and Gustaffson. that is why
9/22/13 12:31 PM
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The same opinion I had before, beats everybody but the top 3-5.


I think Brendan Schaub would beat Jones

I don't know why you think his performance against such a great fighter like Gustavvsen warrants that judgement.


Schaub is a superior athlete compared to Jones and Gustaffson. that is why

Hmmm...disagree, but acknowledged. Might be interesting to find out.

9/22/13 12:32 PM
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I think a good first fight at HW for Jones would be Meathead to be honest
9/22/13 12:48 PM
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fathalpert - Put him in there with the Warmaster and we'll see where he stands amongst the HWs.

My mind just orgasmed at the thought of that happening.
9/22/13 1:23 PM
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TOAO - jones talent is only in his size, and it showed in this fight.

It showed in his win over a consensus #2 world ranked LHW with equal size?
9/22/13 1:29 PM
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It's clear now that his greatest advantage is his size. If placed against someone that is fast and large, it equalizes most of his "talent". Anyone that thought he ever stood a chance against a HW was dreaming anyway. He's really good, but he couldn't take a flush shot to the temple from JDS or Cain or Mir etc.


How do you come to that conclusion? Has Jon ever really been rocked or shown a weak chin?

There is really not a ton of difference between the taller LHWs and HW fighters come fight time. Jones would be able to come into a HW fight at around 230-235. That is about normal range for a HW fighter.

Of course he wouldn't dominate against Cain, JDS or Barnett but there is no reason to suspect that he wouldn't still be a top HW. I would still give Jon a solid shot against a guy like Cain with the right training camp.

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