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9/22/13 11:06 AM
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At  UFC 159, in the middle of a fight with Chael Sonnen, Jon Jones dislocated his toe so massively that it appeared to be nearly falling off. Neither Jones, nor Sonnen, nor referee Keith Peterson noticed it. When Jones saw his own toe dangling gruesomely during the post fight in cage interview, he had to finish the interview sitting onn his stool. Had referee Peterson seen it, he would undoubtedly have stopped the fight for the doctor to check out, and that would have been it.

But no one noticed. Among the qualities that great fighters possess is luck. And Jon Jones is a great fighter.

At UFC 165 Saturday night, the doctor wanted to stop the fight, but ultimately did not due to the reaction of both Jones and referee John McCarthy, who knew Jones could go on to win, which he of course did.

Jones got cut in the first, and the doctor took several opportunities to check the injury. Fighting Alexander Gustafsson in 4 oz gloves is not a great way to fix a cut, and 18 minutes later, the doctor was ready to stop it.

"I don't know if you heard, but the doctors were going to stop the fight in the last round because of the cut," UFC president Dana White said to Ariel Helwani post fight. "And Jones begged him not to stop the fight. And from what I understand McCarthy did too - pleaded with them not to stop the fight."

What do you think UG? How would you feel if the fight was stopped on a cut?


9/22/13 11:08 AM
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Different doctor and Gus is the new champion. Phone Post 3.0
9/22/13 11:09 AM
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Let me bang Doc! Phone Post 3.0
9/22/13 11:20 AM
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Karo Parisyan was robbed of a decision over Ryan Ford a couple years back by the Ontario doc due to a cut. He begged too. Jones is lucky. Phone Post
9/22/13 11:21 AM
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Surely if the doctor needs to stop the fight they have to stop it regardless of beta-like begging?

9/22/13 11:25 AM
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There should be some sort of training that ringside MD's receive concerning facial cuts and stopping fights before working a big show, or some agreed upon guidelines drawn up by experienced ringside physicians beforehand. Making a physician decide when to a cut requires a stoppage in the heat of the moment with the ref, fighter and corner all trying to influence him is going to likely lead to a bad decision at some point- it is just human nature. Guidelines will not be able to cover every circumstance, but I think pro fights should only be stopped for a cut when the cut significantly increases the chance for the cut fighter to be seriously injured because of the location, size or depth of the cut, not just because the cut and resultant bleeding looks bad.
Glad the MD last night ended up making the correct call Phone Post 3.0
9/22/13 11:59 AM
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9/22/13 12:02 PM
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"Surely if the doctor needs to stop the fight they have to stop it regardless of beta-like begging?"

Beta? Okay buddy. Jon is a beta, and you're a real man. He better hope he doesn't see you coming, you're tough.

I'm sure you would have just let them stop the fight, then kick the nerdy little doctor's ass. To prove you're not a beta.

Whereas Jon begged, because he wanted to prolong the most grueling battle of his life, against one of the best professional fighters on Earth. He's the beta...
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rookie29 - Different doctor and Gus is the new champion. Phone Post 3.0

Different doctor and the issue is probably never brought up. It was clearly not a stoppage-worthy cut.

Imagine that awesome finish we would have been robbed of watching. Everyone watching that fifth round was either on the edge of their seat or standing.
9/22/13 12:48 PM
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shimitsu - Gotta love html getting inserted as text...

Where please are you seeing html inserted as text? And what is your browser?

9/22/13 5:22 PM
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stonepony - "Surely if the doctor needs to stop the fight they have to stop it regardless of beta-like begging?"

Beta? Okay buddy. Jon is a beta, and you're a real man. He better hope he doesn't see you coming, you're tough.

I'm sure you would have just let them stop the fight, then kick the nerdy little doctor's ass. To prove you're not a beta.

Whereas Jon begged, because he wanted to prolong the most grueling battle of his life, against one of the best professional fighters on Earth. He's the beta...

Well said, I cant believe the shit some people come out with on here sometimes.
9/22/13 5:29 PM
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stonepony - "Surely if the doctor needs to stop the fight they have to stop it regardless of beta-like begging?"

Beta? Okay buddy. Jon is a beta, and you're a real man. He better hope he doesn't see you coming, you're tough.

I'm sure you would have just let them stop the fight, then kick the nerdy little doctor's ass. To prove you're not a beta.

Whereas Jon begged, because he wanted to prolong the most grueling battle of his life, against one of the best professional fighters on Earth. He's the beta...

y u so mad bro?

9/22/13 6:19 PM
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stonepony - "Surely if the doctor needs to stop the fight they have to stop it regardless of beta-like begging?"

Beta? Okay buddy. Jon is a beta, and you're a real man. He better hope he doesn't see you coming, you're tough.

I'm sure you would have just let them stop the fight, then kick the nerdy little doctor's ass. To prove you're not a beta.

Whereas Jon begged, because he wanted to prolong the most grueling battle of his life, against one of the best professional fighters on Earth. He's the beta...

y u so mad bro?


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9/23/13 3:12 AM
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"I don't know if you heard, but the doctors were going to stop the fight in the last round because of the cut," UFC president Dana White said to Ariel Helwani post fight. "And Jones begged him not to stop the fight. And from what I understand McCarthy did too - pleaded with them not to stop the fight."

Why would John McCarthy beg the doctor to not stop the fight? That's just some funny-ass shit. Was he enjoying the beating that Jones was getting that much, secretly?

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