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10/2/13 8:08 AM
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Morgz
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Rox19 - I checked and it turns out that jewels is under no legal obligation to provide medical expenses. She would have signed waivers. :( so it'd do no good to bother jewels. She's screwed.
It may "technically" do no good, but you never know. Theoretically, they profit from you guys' (and gals') performances. Even if they aren't obligated, maybe a little pressure would encourage them to attempt to do the right thing. Phone Post 3.0
10/2/13 8:10 AM
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time traveling 12er - Are there better causes? Yes. I'm sure there's some starving child in Africa. Are you personally donating to those causes? Yes? Good for you. No? Then shut the fuck up about them. Why bring up other causes if you're not going to donate to either. You're just thread shitting someone asking for help.

Besides who goes around thinking like that every time they're being asked for help? It's stupid bullshit thing to do. Just say no and move on. Someone on the street asks for change, you don't yell at them about being fiscally responsible and try to convince everyone else not to help. When your buddy asks you to help him move you don't say "hey I bet some orphanage needs my truck more". Don't sit there and chastise them for a situation you may not understand.

Calling any fighter idiotic or insinuating they're a candidate for the Darwin Awards because they chose to fight without insurance is a fucked up thing to do. I don't know if people have noticed but even for regular people, health insurance is hard to get and expensive. Ray Elbe posted that the UFC was the only time he was ever insured for a fight. You going to tell him he's an idiot? Bellator, the #2 org out there insures zero fighters.

This is a person that ended up with a rare injury that has forced her into a bad position. She's asking for the fight community for help. That's it. She's not saying she's more important than starving children or puppies with aids. It's a bullshit thing to do to come in here and call her an idiot for not having insurance without even knowing if it was feasible or possible, and also ignore the fact that almost any other injury would have left her ok.
Yes, I just donated a large sum of money to Parkinson's research. My grandfather suffered from it while he was alive. I also donate a large number of items to the Salvation Army on a yearly basis. I volunteer hours of my time in a director position at a large National Non-Profit. Thanks for asking.

And no, giving a Darwin Award to a person that goes into an mms fight without insurance is not "fucked up". Going into an mma fight without proper insurance is fucked up.

And lol at the person who said this is pathetic and "gave more than most". Congrats. At least you weren't looking for recognition and did it out of kindness. Phone Post 3.0
10/2/13 10:05 AM
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Promoters want fighters to go out there and "put on a show", they should at least cover medical expenses that arise as a result of doing so.

10/2/13 10:40 AM
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10/2/13 12:42 PM
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per - Just to make clarify this insurance thing for those who may not know how the healthcare system works in places like Norway:

State healthcare is free, a doctor's visit is the equivalent of a few dollars from where you get the appropriate care, be it a couple of stitches or a big operation. So it is not really a universal health insurance, it is simply free.

Everybody chooses to get personal insurance anyway of course, to cover stuff like disability, not being able to work anymore, death and so on, stuff that gives you problems still when you have left the hospital but I would assume that is much cheaper than an insurance that would have to cover the medical costs.

But as you get a normal insurance high-risk activities are excluded, that is counted as for example base jumping, rugby, martial arts competitions with full contact and various extreme sports.

I'm sure you could get insurance that covers an MMA fight but then you would have to sit down with the insurance company and negotiate something, hammer something out. It would be a process and it would probably be costly.
And when medical treatment is required in Japan? Phone Post 3.0

Well, the Norwegian hospitals are in Norway so in Japan it is the Japanese healthcare system that has to deal with the issue. Since it is outside the Norwegian system it becomes a personal matter/insurance matter for the fighter.

I know Sweden has arrangements with several countries that are popular tourist destinations such as Australia which enables Swedish citizens who are injured or have fallen ill while abroad to have all the necessary treatment in that country and then the hospital simply sends the bill to the Swedish healthcare system, no questions asked. If Norway has similar arrangements I don't know but it seems they at least don't have one with Japan.
10/2/13 8:09 PM
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Donated get well Phone Post 3.0
10/2/13 9:11 PM
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Hey guys, I fel on tough times a few years back and now owe $25 000. With all the views on here just $1 per person would wipe my debt clean!

Anyone care to help?

 


I know it's pathetic, but no.
10/2/13 11:31 PM
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What does someone lying about cancer have to do with a recorded injury that was sustained during a fight? I swear that you are bitching about something everytime you post.

10/3/13 12:43 AM
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Feelz Good - This thread, right now, has 17,577 views. If all those views translated to $1, this would be done. If people who have viewed this all donated $10, we'd be well over the goal by now. This is both inspiring (in effort) and pathetic in response. The total is only $3,126. We shouldn't have to do this, but we do, and easily can. If you can spare $5, do it now. I hate the WMMA fighter nuthuggers, but if this were a male fighter in an org we'd even heard of (we've all heard of Jewels), this would be done by now.

Thanks Roxanne, I did more than most, but all I could. This happening is a travesty, they should pay her medical expenses. The fact that UG's response is so minimal disappoints me, but at least you did something, and some of us responded. Phone Post 3.0

 

LOL @ "I did more than most", how modest.  You are a total tool and douchebag.

 

$3126 is pretty impressive to raise for a fighter who doesnt even post here.

Not to mention a green namer on the OG pretended to have cancer a while ago so im not surprised ppl may be a little hesistant after that.

Go look at the find raising for Matt Grice... Phone Post 3.0
10/3/13 1:13 AM
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This is one of many reasons why this sport needs regulation everywhere. It is unconscionable that Jewels is not picking up the costs for an injury sustained in a fight.


If a fighter has to leave their country for an event they must make sure they are insured either through the event insurance or through their own. This is also where a good manager would be useful.An event flying in a fighter from Norway but not insuring them for the event is unreal.

In this case hind sight is 20/20, what is done is done.

Pressure needs to be put on the promoter to make things right.



I hope she makes a full recovery. I also hope her bill works out either through the generocity of fans and businesses or through the promotion owning up to its short comings (and making them right).

I have close to $30,000 worth of unpaid medical bills due to my fight career. Total Combat, Rage In The Cage, etc all told me I was "covered" by event insurance...only to have the insurance companies actively look for loop holes not to pay.

In fact my medical bills for TUF 9 are the only medical bills from fighting that a promotion has ever actually paid without letting it go to collections Phone Post 3.0

what about your broken dick?
10/3/13 8:25 AM
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What happens if she gets hurt again? Then what? Just curious.

Hope your friend gets enough donations to cover a good portion of the bill. Good luck! Phone Post 3.0
10/3/13 10:45 AM
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You're telling me! Before I moved from Japan back to the US, I applied for American insurance and was DENIED because of my record of examinations from fighting. :( Now I have no insurance and it freaks me the hell out.....
As of yesterday, you can not be denied insurance for anything preexisting. Apply again today. Phone Post 3.0
10/3/13 10:47 AM
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Wish we could so something but we are a charity for fighters & their loved ones with cancer & other diseases. Hopefully down the road we can expand to cover serious injuries.

Best wishes for a speedy recovery. And you're a great friend Roxy, she's lucky to have you! 

10/3/13 10:57 AM
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if she has an EBT card ill give her $50 for $100

not much but its better than nothing

 

legit lol Phone Post 3.0
10/3/13 12:40 PM
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Shogun of Harlem - Averaging about $42 per person. If 324 more people donate, she will have it.

Lets really show the power of the OG.
Let me start by saying nobody wants to see injuries in any sport and I hope this girl heals soon and come back strong but I dislike posts like this which now seen to happen every month.

If people want to donate that's fine but she really should have been more responsible and had herself covered. She knew the risks, now that she has been caught out if she needs help her friends and family should be assisting.

Anyone that feels happy to donate by all means go for it but encouraging people to donate to the cause rubs me the wrong way. Phone Post 3.0

In all honesty, I'm not a fan of people asking for donations either, but in the case of a fighter with no insurance because they can't afford it because fighting pays sh*t, it feels kind of different. :/ I'm sorry if it rubs people the wrong way.... You don't have to donate. only if people feel like it.

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10/3/13 12:43 PM
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I thank everybody who donated! but it's okay not to. It's totally your choice! That's why it's 'charity.' I'm hit up frequently for donations and help, but i don't do them all. I don't want this thread to be a negative thing...only help if you really want to.
10/3/13 12:43 PM
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Any update on her condition?


She said she's still seeing double, and feels sick when she tries to do any light exercise, like lift weights.
10/3/13 3:50 PM
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Any update on her condition?


She said she's still seeing double, and feels sick when she tries to do any light exercise, like lift weights.

Why does DEEP and JEWELS feel no need to help their fighter? Really cant support them after this. Sad since they need all the support they can get in JEWELS.

I agree w/ you fully.. Very sad that a promotion doesn't have insurance for it's fighters. Roxy, you're a good friend to try what you can to help out. There certainly is nothing wrong w/ asking others for help when help is needed. People can always choose not to help.. But, isn't that part of the problem we face in the world today?... Blessings,
10/3/13 4:20 PM
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TTT for Celine!

She's a great person and a great fighter!
I'm broke as fuck, but I'll see what I can do :)
10/3/13 7:47 PM
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Obviously, she also needs to think about start making plans for the future that doesn't include stepping back into a cage/ring.

Maybe she can do something along the lines or advocating ring safety/insurance or creating or joining an org that supports fighter safety. Something to think about.
10/3/13 9:03 PM
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Get well soon celine.

Dont know you but based on rox's rep, i dropped a cpl bucks. Phone Post 3.0
10/3/13 11:23 PM
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Any update on her condition?


She said she's still seeing double, and feels sick when she tries to do any light exercise, like lift weights.

Thanks Roxy

Raised: $5,471.00

37% there 

 

 

10/4/13 12:01 AM
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I'm in. Good luck with the rest.
10/4/13 12:10 AM
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Very surprised by all of the support, given the American view of healthcare...
10/4/13 1:02 AM
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Roxy,
Thanks for letting us know, I was happy to help out and even mentioned your name as a "thank you" for letting me know. Celine even took the time to reply to me and thank me for my donation. She's ashamed and embarrassed but still so grateful for the help. I get that fans shouldn't have to help out, but we should we can. You did a very nice thing by helping her, thanks. Phone Post 3.0

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