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10/10/13 9:37 AM
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Ramon Maroni
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good

I personally think he should be suspended and fined

this has become quite an occurence with this guy

he could end someones career because of this
10/10/13 9:39 AM
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Bisping/Hendo CANNOT be compared in any way. Stupid argument all around. These are world class athletes...there is *NO* reason to destroy someones livlihood/life. It wasnt like, "oh damn....i hope the ref knows this is a submission"....Pierce was screaming. Heal hooks arent to be fucked with & im glad the UFC denied him his $. If it were up to me we wouldnt see Palhares for a while. Ill rewatch the beating Hendo laid on him later today to feel better. Itll help. Lol Phone Post
10/10/13 9:39 AM
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Frank Mir Cat - I think his reputation and Pierce's reaction cost him 50k. You watch in real time from the time the ref jumps in until he releases, its about one second.

You could argue Stun Gun was unsportsmanlike as well, and they aren't taking his money.
Lol what? One shot as silva was still Awake then doenst throw another equals holding on as your opponent taps then the ref gets involved to stop then adding in another hard crank before letting go? Phone Post 3.0
10/10/13 9:43 AM
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OneSidedWar - Bisping/Hendo CANNOT be compared in any way. Stupid argument all around. These are world class athletes...there is *NO* reason to destroy someones livlihood/life. It wasnt like, "oh damn....i hope the ref knows this is a submission"....Pierce was screaming. Heal hooks arent to be fucked with & im glad the UFC denied him his $. If it were up to me we wouldnt see Palhares for a while. Ill rewatch the beating Hendo laid on him later today to feel better. Itll help. Lol Phone Post
To summarize:
Im so upset by the violence from paulharris im gonna go enjoy the violence someone else laid on him... Phone Post
10/10/13 9:44 AM
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People saying he didn't hold on too long... did you see the angle where you can see his grip on Pierces foot and ankle? From that angle it is quite obvious that he holds on well after the ref gets there, and gives a final crank before letting go.

Not sure if you guys are trolling or just lack visual comprehension skills. Phone Post
10/10/13 9:49 AM
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Fighters should boycott fighting him in my opinion! Just not worth suffering unnecessary knee damage Phone Post 3.0
10/10/13 9:57 AM
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ProteinOverdrive - This is absolute, fucking BULLSHIT!

So dropping your whole weight on an unconscious Bisping, potentially giving him brain damage is cool and celebrated.

But over-holding a submission for a second is fined?

If Henderson was doing that repeatedly, im sure he would get KOTN bonus taken away. Palhares has gotten away with that shit long enough. I dont see Henderson repeatedly smashing unconscious ppl. Palhares is known for this shit. Ppl expect it
10/10/13 10:01 AM
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that's fair, Toquinho is back!
10/10/13 10:10 AM
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ProteinOverdrive - This is absolute, fucking BULLSHIT!

So dropping your whole weight on an unconscious Bisping, potentially giving him brain damage is cool and celebrated.

But over-holding a submission for a second is fined?

If Henderson was doing that repeatedly, im sure he would get KOTN bonus taken away. Palhares has gotten away with that shit long enough. I dont see Henderson repeatedly smashing unconscious ppl. Palhares is known for this shit. Ppl expect it

http://www.fightreport.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/dan-henderson_wanderlei-silva.gif
10/10/13 10:10 AM
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If Pierce's knee is injured it is more the ref's fault. By driving his head into palhares' grip he actually helped crank the leg even more severely.
10/10/13 10:12 AM
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I do remember thinikin that Palhares held it for an extended period past when Peirce himslef tapped but not far past when the ref called the fight. I need to rewatch to be sure tho.

I think its cool as shit that Pettis let go of Henderson to prevent further damage. It speaks volumes about his character. The thing is in he event that you don't injure someone beyond the point that they compete, don't think for a second that guys like Sonnen wouldn't tap and later deny it. I understand why some fighters would want a ref to officially call the fight before releasing hold.
10/10/13 10:12 AM
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BTT-RyannVonDoom - 
Frank Mir Cat - I think his reputation and Pierce's reaction cost him 50k. You watch in real time from the time the ref jumps in until he releases, its about one second.

You could argue Stun Gun was unsportsmanlike as well, and they aren't taking his money.
Lol what? One shot as silva was still Awake then doenst throw another equals holding on as your opponent taps then the ref gets involved to stop then adding in another hard crank before letting go? Phone Post 3.0

So RyannVonDoom would rather be semi-conscious and take an undefended hammerfist to the face, than get his leg cranked for an extra .5 seconds?

Why am I not suprised?
10/10/13 10:12 AM
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MarcVanBas - During his UFC fights, how many knees has he actually "destroyed" and how many careers has he actually ended?

The answer is zero. People just think heel hooks are an automatic torn ACL.
10/10/13 10:17 AM
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Well the fans hated Bisping and I'd guess most were not upset over the extra shot. Here Palhares is the one not liked. That about covers it.
10/10/13 10:23 AM
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Totally the ref's fault.

Why should Harris lose the bonus, when you are told over and over again to not loosen a hold until the ref touches you.

Fucking Mario Yamasaki almost gave Kim a shoulder injury by awkwardly pushing him off of Silva, luckily he was okay.

I hate seeing people's limbs getting wrecked, but Pierce talked a ton of trash and got caught in a leglock by the worst possible person. Too bad.
10/10/13 10:26 AM
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Zed Wayne Zed - Totally the ref's fault.

Why should Harris lose the bonus, when you are told over and over again to not loosen a hold until the ref touches you.

Fucking Mario Yamasaki almost gave Kim a shoulder injury by awkwardly pushing him off of Silva, luckily he was okay.

I hate seeing people's limbs getting wrecked, but Pierce talked a ton of trash and got caught in a leglock by the worst possible person. Too bad.

Amen.
10/10/13 10:35 AM
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Synado - As soon as he saw the ref he let go. People just want to hate this guy.

The comments in this thread are unbelievable, truly a laughable amount of ignorance.


you're ignorant and naive to think that he doesn't consistently hold onto hold longer than he needs to
10/10/13 10:39 AM
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The gif probably doesn't do it any justice. I was expecting a torn Phone Post
10/10/13 10:42 AM
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That's bullshit because the ref didnt even pull palhares off.  The ref didnt signal the end of the fight to palhares... If you rewatch it the ref only grabs mike pierce (and mikes leg).

Palhares had no way of knowing the fight was over.  You dont stop to taps... you dont stop until the ref pulls you off or motions you off.

No I've been a victim of the "I didn't tap thing" but that was held way to long after the ref clearly was there... I've defend Paul Harris in the past but that I can't Phone Post 3.0
10/10/13 10:43 AM
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Synado -
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I have seen plenty of fake taps that lead to KOs. You stop when the ref separates you.
Or when the ref jumps on top of you screaming and trying to peel your grip off the other guy's leg. Phone Post 3.0
10/10/13 10:44 AM
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ProteinOverdrive - 
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ProteinOverdrive - This is absolute, fucking BULLSHIT!

So dropping your whole weight on an unconscious Bisping, potentially giving him brain damage is cool and celebrated.

But over-holding a submission for a second is fined?

If Henderson was doing that repeatedly, im sure he would get KOTN bonus taken away. Palhares has gotten away with that shit long enough. I dont see Henderson repeatedly smashing unconscious ppl. Palhares is known for this shit. Ppl expect it

http://www.fightreport.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/dan-henderson_wanderlei-silva.gif

I dont think Palhares/Hendo is even a good comparison. Unless Hendo was diving on Bisping with the ref holding onto his back. Hendo got there before the ref if i remember correctly. Palhares was cranking harder as the ref was on him. If Hendo has smashed Bisping another 2 or 3 times after the ref jumped on him, itd be an equal comparison.
10/10/13 10:46 AM
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Synado - As soon as he saw the ref he let go. People just want to hate this guy.

The comments in this thread are unbelievable, truly a laughable amount of ignorance.


you're ignorant and naive to think that he doesn't consistently hold onto hold longer than he needs to
Than he "needs to" is such a subjective term.

You are instructed to NOT let go (or stop striking) your opponent until the REF makes it clear the fight is over. This is the fault of decades of fake tappers and opponents who pretended they didnt tap if the ref missed it.

It has happened to Paulharris himself, and many opponents of team quest fighters. Shit it happened in Royce vs Ken 20ish years ago.

In realtime, he really didnt hold it but for a moment after the ref got his attention. The ref is an idiot for going after Pierce's knee first and trying to yell over a CRAZY loud crowd. He should have gone straight after Paulharris' arms and got his attention FIRST. Phone Post
10/10/13 10:49 AM
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Zed Wayne Zed - Totally the ref's fault.

Why should Harris lose the bonus, when you are told over and over again to not loosen a hold until the ref touches you.

Fucking Mario Yamasaki almost gave Kim a shoulder injury by awkwardly pushing him off of Silva, luckily he was okay.

I hate seeing people's limbs getting wrecked, but Pierce talked a ton of trash and got caught in a leglock by the worst possible person. Too bad.

Amen.
So neither of you watched the fight I see. Has to be the case, otherwise you would have seen the ref literally jump on top of them while screaming at Palhares, and him continue to hold the sub after this. Phone Post 3.0
10/10/13 10:49 AM
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He absolutely deserves that punishment or more. The guy is known to pull that shit with every submission. It's terrible sportsmanship, worse no one will want fight him in the future. Phone Post
10/10/13 10:52 AM
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We need more people like Palhares in MMA. Phone Post 3.0

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