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10/12/13 12:46 PM
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http://www.mmaoddsbreaker.com/news/jon-fitch-if-asked-rousimar-palhares-would-be-the-first-time-in-my-career-i-turned-down-a-fight/

Recently victorious UFC Fight Night 29 welterweight Rousimar Palhares has been making headlines recently for all the wrong reasons. “Toquinho” was released from Ultimate Fighting Championship following his first round heel hook victory over Mike Pierce this past Wednesday night (Oct. 9, 2013) in Sao Paulo, Brazil. Palhares was the only competitor to win by submission on the card but was denied a $50,000 “Submission of the Night” bonus because he held onto a heel hook well after not only Pierce had tapped but even once the referee intervened.

It was not Palhares’ first offense either, as he had been  suspended previously by the New Jersey State Athletic Commission for holding onto a heel hook against Tomasz Drwal well after the fighter had tapped and he was also most recently coming off a nine-month suspension for having elevated testosterone levels in his  middleweight fight against Hector Lombard in 2012.

Considering the fact that the Brazilian was coming off a rare win heading into his UFC release, he’d seem to be a hot commodity on the free agent market, most notably for promotions like Bellator MMA or World Series of Fighting, but that is not the case.

In an exclusive sneak peak of an upcoming feature interview with top World Series of Fighting welterweight (and former top UFC welterweight) Jon Fitch, the long-time veteran showed zero interest in competing against the dangerous leg lock specialist.

“It was a second offense,” said Fitch. “Holding onto a submission too long, especially with a joint lock like that. You’re talking about ending someone’s career potentially. I think it was the right move (to release him). I personally wouldn’t accept a fight with [Palhares] because of those. One time maybe, but not twice. I would never even compete against him honestly. If he’s got that long of a history of holding onto them too long, his career should probably be done because no one should take a fight with him or a grappling match with him for that matter.”

Palhares’ inability to let go of dangerous leg locks dates back well before his UFC career as well as in non-MMA bouts like his 2011 ADCC grappling contest against David Avellan. When asked what he would do if World Series of Fighting signed “Toquinho” and attempted to promote a fight against Fitch, the American Kickboxing Academy fighter had a simple response:

“It would be the first time in my career that I turned down a fight.”
 

10/12/13 12:58 PM
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Guaranteed loss for Fitch plus he would run the risk of serious injury. Can't blame him.

Fitch would probably wreck him in a fight unless he really just doesn't have it anymore. But he knows he's not invincible and nobody wants to risk a major leg injury. Phone Post
10/12/13 1:19 PM
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Guaranteed loss for Fitch plus he would run the risk of serious injury. Can't blame him.

Fitch would probably wreck him in a fight unless he really just doesn't have it anymore. But he knows he's not invincible and nobody wants to risk a major leg injury. Phone Post
No palhares is a level above in the bjj and physically the strongest person he'd every face except maybe Hendricks. Pierce is a better mma wrestler than Fitch Imo. Phone Post
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Guaranteed loss for Fitch plus he would run the risk of serious injury. Can't blame him.

Palhares doesn't have a single top 10 win in his entire career and yet he's a lock to beat fitch?Sure. Phone Post 3.0
10/12/13 1:49 PM
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Not a Fitch fan but I agree that no one should accept a fight with him. I know I wouldn't. I'd rather fight Anderson Silva. Phone Post 3.0
10/12/13 1:50 PM
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Guaranteed loss for Fitch plus he would run the risk of serious injury. Can't blame him.

Fitch would probably wreck him in a fight unless he really just doesn't have it anymore. But he knows he's not invincible and nobody wants to risk a major leg injury. Phone Post
No palhares is a level above in the bjj and physically the strongest person he'd every face except maybe Hendricks. Pierce is a better mma wrestler than Fitch Imo. Phone Post
Pierce didn't even try to take down Palhares. If Fitch wanted to he probably could take him down and stay safe there. His submission defense is also great. I love Palhares but when he fights top guys they avoid his leg lock early and then smash him. Phone Post
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Guaranteed loss for Fitch plus he would run the risk of serious injury. Can't blame him.

Fitch would probably wreck him in a fight unless he really just doesn't have it anymore. But he knows he's not invincible and nobody wants to risk a major leg injury. Phone Post
No palhares is a level above in the bjj and physically the strongest person he'd every face except maybe Hendricks. Pierce is a better mma wrestler than Fitch Imo. Phone Post

Case you've been running rampant for the last week. First Fitch outwrestled Pierce in their fight, and you also said Fitch is the better wrestler than Shields when you were analyzing the Maia fight. Don't drink and post ;)
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Guaranteed loss for Fitch plus he would run the risk of serious injury. Can't blame him.

Fitch would probably wreck him in a fight unless he really just doesn't have it anymore. But he knows he's not invincible and nobody wants to risk a major leg injury. Phone Post
No palhares is a level above in the bjj and physically the strongest person he'd every face except maybe Hendricks. Pierce is a better mma wrestler than Fitch Imo. Phone Post

Case you've been running rampant for the last week. First Fitch outwrestled Pierce in their fight, and you also said Fitch is the better wrestler than Shields when you were analyzing the Maia fight. Don't drink and post ;)
Shields has never out wrestled Fitch in their bjj matches shields pulls guard Phone Post
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I know he did in their fight but that wasn't exactly recent. Pierce is a much better wrestler in mma now than when he started. His fight with Kos proved that to me. Phone Post
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Guaranteed loss for Fitch plus he would run the risk of serious injury. Can't blame him.

Fitch would probably wreck him in a fight unless he really just doesn't have it anymore. But he knows he's not invincible and nobody wants to risk a major leg injury. Phone Post
No palhares is a level above in the bjj and physically the strongest person he'd every face except maybe Hendricks. Pierce is a better mma wrestler than Fitch Imo. Phone Post
Pierce didn't even try to take down Palhares. If Fitch wanted to he probably could take him down and stay safe there. His submission defense is also great. I love Palhares but when he fights top guys they avoid his leg lock early and then smash him. Phone Post
Go rewatch that fight. He takes down Paul. Phone Post
10/12/13 2:21 PM
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Guaranteed loss for Fitch plus he would run the risk of serious injury. Can't blame him.

Fitch would probably wreck him in a fight unless he really just doesn't have it anymore. But he knows he's not invincible and nobody wants to risk a major leg injury. Phone Post
No palhares is a level above in the bjj and physically the strongest person he'd every face except maybe Hendricks. Pierce is a better mma wrestler than Fitch Imo. Phone Post

While I agree Pierce is a better mma wrestler than Fitch, Fitch is a much better bjj artist than Pierce.

 

Mike Pierce jiu jitsu is not Alan Belcher level, but Fitch/Belcher's jits is comparable.

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Guaranteed loss for Fitch plus he would run the risk of serious injury. Can't blame him.

Fitch would probably wreck him in a fight unless he really just doesn't have it anymore. But he knows he's not invincible and nobody wants to risk a major leg injury. Phone Post
No palhares is a level above in the bjj and physically the strongest person he'd every face except maybe Hendricks. Pierce is a better mma wrestler than Fitch Imo. Phone Post

While I agree Pierce is a better mma wrestler than Fitch, Fitch is a much better bjj artist than Pierce.

 

Mike Pierce jiu jitsu is not Alan Belcher level, but Fitch/Belcher's jits is comparable.

Fitch is better at bjj than pierce I'd bet but Belcher had a great technique but a large Size advantage as well. I wouldn't expect Fitch to be able to stop the submission very easily. I think he'd do better but still get tapped. Palhares v maia and palhares v shields is gone forever. Phone Post
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Id love to do a palhares article by people will just bash him and I. Phone Post
10/12/13 2:30 PM
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Pierce beats paul harris 9 times out of 10. Pierce was just trying too hard to be exciting and fought a different game than he's used to. Avoiding getting cut for being "boring" as well as trying to get on main cards put the pressure on him. Phone Post
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teamquestnorth - Pierce beats paul harris 9 times out of 10. Pierce was just trying too hard to be exciting and fought a different game than he's used to. Avoiding getting cut for being "boring" as well as trying to get on main cards put the pressure on him. Phone Post
Huh?

I disagree I have a feeling Paul was going to submit most guys until the top 10. Paul was undeniably one strongest Mws. At welterweight hes the same but stronger in comparison. Phone Post
10/12/13 3:12 PM
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caseharts -  I know he did in their fight but that wasn't exactly recent. Pierce is a much better wrestler in mma now than when he started. His fight with Kos proved that to me. Phone Post

I guess it's easier to validate these things like that and always have the "better now" card instead of watching the 2 guys actually fight.

And when you were analyzing the Maia fight, I'm pretty sure you thought Maia was going to finish Shields with ease. We can agree Fitch is the better wrestler when grappling(doesn't really have the need to outwrestle in straight up grappling), in MMA Shields is WAY better. (source: Shields' record and Maia MMAth)
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caseharts -  I know he did in their fight but that wasn't exactly recent. Pierce is a much better wrestler in mma now than when he started. His fight with Kos proved that to me. Phone Post

I guess it's easier to validate these things like that and always have the "better now" card instead of watching the 2 guys actually fight.

And when you were analyzing the Maia fight, I'm pretty sure you thought Maia was going to finish Shields with ease. We can agree Fitch is the better wrestler when grappling(doesn't really have the need to outwrestle in straight up grappling), in MMA Shields is WAY better. (source: Shields' record and Maia MMAth)
I could see him finishing him. I still can in another fight but I expected it to be like the Fitch fight and it nearly was. Jake has great escapes. I underestimated him that's pretty simple. I still think maia is a much better grappler. Phone Post
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Toquinho is an absolute nightmare for guys like Fitch, Askren, etc.
10/12/13 5:03 PM
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I can't say as I blame him.  Palhares is going to finish that crank no matter what.  

 

I think that's grounds for anyone saying no thanks to a fight with him.

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KOdClowning - Jon Fitch has nothing for Palhares. Think back to Palhares' last fight, Mike Pierce whom he finished in 30 seconds. Mike Pierce had Jon fitch rocked and finished at the end of their fight. He dominated fitch and lost a bs decision.

Palhares is much more dominant than fitch, who is slipping. Fitch will try his best to make it back to the Ufc, but comments like this , piling on a guy when he is down, are reasons fans never liked jon fitch.

stop hiding Calo

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Fitch's best chance of being in an exciting fight in 2013. Phone Post
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Because he would wreak Fitch Phone Post 3.0
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Guaranteed loss for Fitch plus he would run the risk of serious injury. Can't blame him.

Palhares doesn't have a single top 10 win in his entire career and yet he's a lock to beat fitch?Sure. Phone Post 3.0

LOL @ thinking that wins over ranked opponents means shit with this matchup. Fitch's only chance of winning is to win a decision. Do you really think that Fitch can just spend 15 - 25 minutes laying on top of Palhares? The same Fitch who was out wrestled by Penn, manhandled by Maia and tapped by Burkman? Do you even know who Palhares is and what he actually does to other world class grapplers, bro? Palhares is the worst possible matchup for Fitch at 170, with the UFC roster included.

Maybe you'll eventually learn enough about fighting that you'll be able to form an opinion of your own. Fucking rankings. Laughable. Thanks for the vote down also.

Of course, who cares about all the great fighters fitch has beaten when hype is on your side.I never said Fitch would beat Palhares but obviously you couldn't see that when you're too busy hanging off of Palhares nutsack.Its laughable that you call him a lock over Fitch when the best fighter he's beaten is Mike Pierce, who is a good fighter for sure, but that in no means he'll destroy Fitch.

And yes it's possible that Fitch could grind him out for 15 minutes, seeing as how he's done that to great fighters, better fighters than Palhares, for his entire fucking career.

Palhares has fought at 170 for less than a minute, what happens if Fitch doesn't get subbed within the opening few minutes? Phone Post 3.0
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lol The only reason Fitch would refuse a fight with Palhares is because Palhares would probably destroy him whether he held a sub too long or not.

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