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10/14/13 10:08 AM
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malryan -  I dislike the fact that a former man has been fighting women. Its not right and shouldn't be allowed.

In saying that though, calling him/her names like 'tranny' 'ladyboy' and 'shemale' isn't cool either. I would think we can do better than that.

The way I see it, fallon is legally a female, but she is not a good person if she thinks its ok to have gender reassignment surgery and then punch girls in the face. Thats just a case of being a shitty human being.

Anyway, she lost and got TKOd in the process by a girl. Karma always catches up to horrible people. Phone Post

i agree. he is not a good person if he thinks it's ok to have gender reassignment surgery and punch girls in the face. if fallon didn't go into mma, people would have no problem giving him his privacy.

10/14/13 10:14 AM
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GarlicSauce - The vicious hatred directed against transgender people here is shocking. Nothing but pure venom is on display. How can the UG mods allow these threads?

Are we allowed now to make any hateful threads based on race, religion, sexual orientation, etc.?

The answer is no..

Going threw threads now sir

If I miss anything please feel free to PM me

10/14/13 10:24 AM
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10/14/13 10:25 AM
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Edited for double posting and being a faggot like OP

 

10/14/13 10:30 AM
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10/14/13 10:34 AM
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10/14/13 10:42 AM
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Tombmatter - Are you confused, or am I? They dont let women drive in Saudis because they like oppressing them, but their said reason for it is because it puts women and their childrens health at risk. Damaged ovaries and pelvis and whatnot. (They too like to hide their hatred and phobias under the illusion of caring).

Which has about same amount of logic than saying that fighting Fallon puts you on any more risk than fighting some other woman. Especially when her opponents say they did not notice any difference to other girls and she just lost by tko.

Also as I understand it, it's not magic but medical science.

There are guys with PHD's that don't agree on that so not sure how little you base that on.


Agree on what?

What does PHD tell anyhow? It certainly not a liability but it's also not a blank check to be expert on all things. Especially on medical science that is so compartmentalized that you really need to be specialist to have any real say on things. So lets see the studies because if we are solely relying on empirical evidence, then I will take the word of her opponents or doctors who are specialized on gender issues, over the word of some doctor with general praction and some research on totally unrelated things.
10/14/13 10:46 AM
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Tombmatter - Are you confused, or am I? They dont let women drive in Saudis because they like oppressing them, but their said reason for it is because it puts women and their childrens health at risk. Damaged ovaries and pelvis and whatnot. (They too like to hide their hatred and phobias under the illusion of caring).

Which has about same amount of logic than saying that fighting Fallon puts you on any more risk than fighting some other woman. Especially when her opponents say they did not notice any difference to other girls and she just lost by tko.

Also as I understand it, it's not magic but medical science.

There are guys with PHD's that don't agree on that so not sure how little you base that on.


Agree on what?

What does PHD tell anyhow? It certainly not a liability but it's also not a blank check to be expert on all things. Especially on medical science that is so compartmentalized that you really need to be specialist to have any real say on things. So lets see the studies because if we are solely relying on empirical evidence, then I will take the word of her opponents or doctors who are specialized on gender issues, over the word of some doctor with general praction and some research on totally unrelated things.

I mean't PHD's in the relevant areas this covers, but I'm not going to argue with you, I spent hours months ago providing links.

 

Nothing I find will convince you no matter how compelling it is. Have fun.

10/14/13 1:03 PM
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OneSidedWar - 1- Its *SUCH* a grey area.

There are x3 basic options in this situation: First, a transgender fighter would have to fight the same gender based on birth attributes. Second, a transgender would fight opposite gender based on birth attributes. and third, transgender fighter would fight only against other transgender fighters. There are several huge problems with each of these scenarios and there will never be a "fair" fight with this grey area. That being said, its tough to tell some1 they can't do something they want because of a physicality. On the other side though, its simply not fair.

What a mess.
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10/14/13 1:23 PM
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Tombmatter - Are you confused, or am I? They dont let women drive in Saudis because they like oppressing them, but their said reason for it is because it puts women and their childrens health at risk. Damaged ovaries and pelvis and whatnot. (They too like to hide their hatred and phobias under the illusion of caring).

Which has about same amount of logic than saying that fighting Fallon puts you on any more risk than fighting some other woman. Especially when her opponents say they did not notice any difference to other girls and she just lost by tko.

Also as I understand it, it's not magic but medical science.

"Also as I understand it, it's not magic but medical science."

That "as I understand it" phrase is key. Quack psychology is not science. Especially when it comes to politically driven issues like this.

No credible scientists can offer any tangible evidence that a man is no longer a man if he gets his genitals cut off. It's just a fact. No evidence that a man injecting estrogen is magically transformed in to a woman. It's a fact. Everything to the contrary is opinion, and ignores reality.

And if anybody here is expressing hatred and phobia, it's you allowing your PC brainwashing to defend a man physically attacking a woman.

Testosterone is only one of many differences between males and females. Which you know, and you block out. It's only one advantage, and people who don't hate women won't be justifying Fox's actions. You like to believe that gender is an artificial social construction right? It's cultural?

Can I ask you a question Tomb? I really think it will help clear this up. At what age should a child be allowed to start gender reassignment therapy? Hormone therapy, sex-change surgery. etc. etc.

The "science" you're talking about, those same psychologists, are prescribing it to kids under 10. Not sex changes yet. That's still illegal. But they mutate their prepubescent bodies in order to inhibit puberty to be female, or to grow male bodies. Then they get the mutilation done at 18 (if they haven't killed themselves already, as a result of being deformed by their parents).

And if you don't support it, it's because of your phobias and your hate for children. etc.

How young is too young tomb? Sex changes for 5 year olds, or do you hate children?
10/14/13 7:10 PM
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10/14/13 7:26 PM
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Hmm, OP did you maybe think that it's because a dude chopped his dick off, hid it from promoters, then decided to fight again women?
10/14/13 7:56 PM
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are you referring to chicks with dicks or dudes with pussies?
10/14/13 8:12 PM
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I am fine with Fallon Fox fighting against female genders as long as geneticaly she is a woman (DNA). If the genetics say male, thats where he/she has to fight. If he/she doesnt like it there are plenty of other roles in the fight business other than fighter in the wrong gender division.

10/14/13 9:23 PM
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10/15/13 7:44 AM
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Tombmatter - Are you confused, or am I? They dont let women drive in Saudis because they like oppressing them, but their said reason for it is because it puts women and their childrens health at risk. Damaged ovaries and pelvis and whatnot. (They too like to hide their hatred and phobias under the illusion of caring).

Which has about same amount of logic than saying that fighting Fallon puts you on any more risk than fighting some other woman. Especially when her opponents say they did not notice any difference to other girls and she just lost by tko.

Also as I understand it, it's not magic but medical science.

"Also as I understand it, it's not magic but medical science."

That "as I understand it" phrase is key. Quack psychology is not science. Especially when it comes to politically driven issues like this.

No credible scientists can offer any tangible evidence that a man is no longer a man if he gets his genitals cut off. It's just a fact. No evidence that a man injecting estrogen is magically transformed in to a woman. It's a fact. Everything to the contrary is opinion, and ignores reality.

And if anybody here is expressing hatred and phobia, it's you allowing your PC brainwashing to defend a man physically attacking a woman.

Testosterone is only one of many differences between males and females. Which you know, and you block out. It's only one advantage, and people who don't hate women won't be justifying Fox's actions. You like to believe that gender is an artificial social construction right? It's cultural?

Can I ask you a question Tomb? I really think it will help clear this up. At what age should a child be allowed to start gender reassignment therapy? Hormone therapy, sex-change surgery. etc. etc.

The "science" you're talking about, those same psychologists, are prescribing it to kids under 10. Not sex changes yet. That's still illegal. But they mutate their prepubescent bodies in order to inhibit puberty to be female, or to grow male bodies. Then they get the mutilation done at 18 (if they haven't killed themselves already, as a result of being deformed by their parents).

And if you don't support it, it's because of your phobias and your hate for children. etc.

How young is too young tomb? Sex changes for 5 year olds, or do you hate children?

It has nothing to do with psychology, that we can give one drug to one person and it becomes Ubereem and another drug to another person and it grows tits and gets soft skin, loses muscle strenght, aggression and whatnot. It's medical science.

The question here is that when society considers her a legitimate woman, why shouldn't she be treated as one then? Fallon's case is a great study and experiment, and so far there is no evidence that she would gain any substantial advantages as far as MMA goes. Quite the contrary, she just lost.


For you child rant, I'll just say that I think you've been reading too many cliff notes from some Westboro Baptist Church types and dont really have any idea how hard it can be to determine the true gender of a newborn, it can come down to educated guesses that can and do go wrong.

10/15/13 8:34 AM
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joshirvine718 - I'm glad we found a loop hole for domestic violence, who's with me?
You gotta be real committed to slap a hoe to take this approach. Phone Post 3.0
10/15/13 8:50 AM
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It's allowed because clearly a majority of
The fuckheads on here feel that way. I'm assuming the mods fit that category too. Unfortunate. Phone Post 3.0
10/15/13 9:55 AM
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Tombmatter - Well, most of gay or trangender hate stems from ones own homosexual thoughts that ego is trying to deny and hide with the behaviour you see in Fallon's case

"I can't be gay, look how much I hate them!"

I did laugh a bit when someone made a hate thread against Fallon yesterday, and already in he's second post had to emphasise that he was watching the fight with he's girlfriend. Like he had to reassure us and most likely himself that he is not a gay or do not like transgender women, even though he is so keenly interested what Fallon does.


That Augustus Caesar guy on here is the most closet homo on this site. Ever since that day he got caught he's been on a rampage against his own lifestyle.
10/15/13 10:01 AM
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GarlicSauce - The vicious hatred directed against transgender people here is shocking. Nothing but pure venom is on display. How can the UG mods allow these threads?

Are we allowed now to make any hateful threads based on race, religion, sexual orientation, etc.?
Tranny lover Phone Post 3.0
10/15/13 4:55 PM
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malryan -  I dislike the fact that a former man has been fighting women. Its not right and shouldn't be allowed.

In saying that though, calling him/her names like 'tranny' 'ladyboy' and 'shemale' isn't cool either. I would think we can do better than that.

The way I see it, fallon is legally a female, but she is not a good person if she thinks its ok to have gender reassignment surgery and then punch girls in the face. Thats just a case of being a shitty human being.

Anyway, she lost and got TKOd in the process by a girl. Karma always catches up to horrible people. Phone Post

i agree. he is not a good person if he thinks it's ok to have gender reassignment surgery and punch girls in the face. if fallon didn't go into mma, people would have no problem giving him his privacy.


Good points. Btw, wasn't there a transwhatever*term*is*PC*at*the*moment Muay Thai fighter who fought guys competitively? Nobody seemed to have an major issue with that in terms of fairness especially because he/she was upfront about everything right from the beginning and fighting men.
10/15/13 5:00 PM
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Just watching the full fight now. Three things strike me:

1) Ashlee wrestled on the boys team in high-school.
2) Technique vs. strength
2) Schiavello going berserk is awesome.
10/15/13 5:38 PM
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This thread right here is everything that went wrong with getting too big.

 

Otsuka called it after the TUF success and I thought it would be OK.

 

I was wrong.  MMA has gone completely to shit.

 

Fighters are bought and paid for corporate drones and their biggest battle is with the scale before the fight.  Guaranteed they'll be grateful they made weight and be exhausted in the Octagon.

 

All fighters are required to have a twitter, but if they post wrong, may God have mercy on their souls.

 

Lose or win, you can get your ass cut with a quickness if they don't like something you do.

 

'Fighters' are totally at the mercy of the company and it's gotten to the point where it's laughable.  

 

They don't have a say in anything, and if they know better, they'll just shut up and cut big weight and do what they're told.

 

2 exhausted dudes hugging it out against a cage for 15 minutes because they were both lucky enough to make weight is bullshit.  Pair that with the press junket leading up to the fight and it's a real recipe for disaster.

 

How about we make the fights fun and not all the bullshit leading up to it?  Wouldn't that be something?

 

Zuffa, pls

 

Oh my how the game has changed.

10/15/13 5:41 PM
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Tombmatter - Are you confused, or am I? They dont let women drive in Saudis because they like oppressing them, but their said reason for it is because it puts women and their childrens health at risk. Damaged ovaries and pelvis and whatnot. (They too like to hide their hatred and phobias under the illusion of caring).

Which has about same amount of logic than saying that fighting Fallon puts you on any more risk than fighting some other woman. Especially when her opponents say they did not notice any difference to other girls and she just lost by tko.

Also as I understand it, it's not magic but medical science.

There are guys with PHD's that don't agree on that so not sure how little you base that on.


Agree on what?

What does PHD tell anyhow? It certainly not a liability but it's also not a blank check to be expert on all things. Especially on medical science that is so compartmentalized that you really need to be specialist to have any real say on things. So lets see the studies because if we are solely relying on empirical evidence, then I will take the word of her opponents or doctors who are specialized on gender issues, over the word of some doctor with general praction and some research on totally unrelated things.

So in closing you state that you would "take the word of her opponents.....over the word of some doctor"...?

 

Interdasting.


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