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10/14/13 6:46 AM
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Bananatoles - Dang that's much worse than the ufc.

2000 bucks really? If the fighters used all their training time to collect pop bottles they would earn more Phone Post 3.0

Juan Quesada: $1,500

That sucks to be a pro fighter and make less money than to pay rent on a 1 bedroom apartment.
1500 would get you a 4 bedroom apartment here, you must live in a pretty expensive place where they charge 1500 for 1 bedroom Phone Post 3.0
Here has in Toronto canada Phone Post 3.0

5 hours away in Montreal 1500$/month is a house


My example wasn't one month of rent (I probably should have explained it better). If you train for 2 or 3 months for a fight and you only fight once every three months. $1500 can't get you an apartment for 3 months (in a lot of places in the US).
10/14/13 7:40 AM
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2000 bucks really? If the fighters used all their training time to collect pop bottles they would earn more Phone Post 3.0

 

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10/14/13 8:26 AM
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2000 bucks really? If the fighters used all their training time to collect pop bottles they would earn more Phone Post 3.0

Juan Quesada: $1,500

That sucks to be a pro fighter and make less money than to pay rent on a 1 bedroom apartment.
I fought for Bellator earlier this year, pay was $1000show/$1000win. And that's the highest pay I've ever had from a fight.

The fight prior to Bellator pay was $600/$600 and the fight after was $500/$500

This isn't the sport to get into for the money. Phone Post 3.0

Can i ask if your fight was recorded and broadcast on SPIKE? And how many fights were you contracted or obligated for with Bellator?

My fight was a Spike.com prelim. I was the first fight of the night at Bellator 89 in Charlotte, NC back in February. It was for 1 fight. I lost a decision, but my manager told me they were impressed with how professional I was regarding the situation(original opponent got injured and I got a new one a week out, I accepted the first guy they offered no questions asked) and that they would bring me back. They're probably not gonna bring me back though. I came into that fight with a 7-3 record, I lost a decision then bounced back and won a fight in my hometown in August. Now I'm 8-4.

10/14/13 8:38 AM
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There is nothing to discuss really. Phone Post 3.0

so does that mean you think its right that they pay fighters $1,500? cuz thats a fuckin joke
10/14/13 8:56 AM
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In the UK you can get more than 1500 per month on benefits! Phone Post 3.0
10/14/13 9:17 AM
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"2000 bucks really? If the fighters used all their training time to collect pop bottles they would earn more "

-the sad fact is thats true. MMA fighters dont get paid-fo sure.
10/14/13 9:27 AM
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To bad they do not get more at the gate! DO a show in Winnipeg or Thunderbay where people have nothing to do and you will get 8K @ the door No Problem!

10/14/13 9:42 AM
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There is nothing to discuss really. Phone Post 3.0

so does that mean you think its right that they pay fighters $1,500? cuz thats a fuckin joke
They are in year 1 on a major network. How much do you think they should pay each fighter based on their income (which you don't know)? At least they aren't using mysterious shower room bonuses as a cop out. Phone Post 3.0
Bjorks gonna Bjork. Phone Post 3.0
10/14/13 9:46 AM
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1400 tickets
600 comped
Thats almost 1/2 of your live attendance!? HOLY SHYTE! It seems they have to comp that many seats to make it look like theres people there. They should use a larger ramp and special effects so they can cut half of the arena down. Itd make it look more full of people.

PS. I fought in Denver CO at KickDownClassic-5 in 2003 and had more then 1800 people watching live...this is ridiculous for Bellator. lol
10/14/13 10:01 AM
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There is nothing to discuss really. Phone Post 3.0

so does that mean you think its right that they pay fighters $1,500? cuz thats a fuckin joke
They are in year 1 on a major network. How much do you think they should pay each fighter based on their income (which you don't know)? At least they aren't using mysterious shower room bonuses as a cop out. Phone Post 3.0

Back in 2004, Zuffa was in their fourth year of owning the UFC and weren't even on a network, yet they still paid guys a minimum of $2K/$2K and caught tons of shit for it.

Fast forward to 2013 and Bellator is in it's fifth year, has been on TV for it's entire existence, and now has a deal with a major cable network with a history of MMA programming. Why are they paying less than the pre-TUF era UFC?
10/14/13 12:02 PM
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Decent fighter purse + no "sponsorship tax" + tickets sold on consignment (ie. fighters who are a draw, even local fighters, can earn a portion of the live gate).

If you watch the dark bouts on spike.com, it's clear most of these guys would not be in the UFC. One of the fighters themselves said he'd be fighting for $500/$500 or $600/$600 elsewhere.

Tim, I'd be willing to bet they'll bring you back when they have another show in North or South Carolina.
10/14/13 12:07 PM
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the pay level isn't what irks me about that list, I just can't get how Pitbull get's less than guys nowhere near titles and who have far less fights in Bellator. Yes I get contracts and how Pitbull will probably cash in on the PPV but still 12,000 while no names are making 15,000 I just don't get that.


Where did that $12,000 number for Pitbull come from?
10/14/13 12:24 PM
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Given none of the guys with the low payouts are a draw or particularly important to the card, I'm not sure of the complaint. It is better and easier money than entry level guys like that make in other pro sports.

Most 7-3 boxers would be lucky to get $100 a round, and they'd have hundreds of amateur fights over a period of a decade or so before getting to that point. Pro baseball players at the Single A level get $1050 a month during the season, nothing during the offseason. Again, the barrier to entry is much higher too.
10/14/13 12:30 PM
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Pay would lower in any other show. In 99 out of 100 events, live gate has to cover everything - profit, advertising, venue, etc. Gross was 73k, payout was $294,500. It would be 1/10th of that normally.

10/14/13 12:39 PM
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I agree with the reasons that the fighters don't make a lot of money, but it sucks to be a pro at anything and not make enough to pay the rent.

Also if only 1400 tickets sold that really sucks for Bellator. I'm surprised at how low that number is. There are local events and smaller promotions that consistently sell more than that.
10/14/13 12:46 PM
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There is nothing to discuss really. Phone Post 3.0

so does that mean you think its right that they pay fighters $1,500? cuz thats a fuckin joke
They are in year 1 on a major network. How much do you think they should pay each fighter based on their income (which you don't know)? At least they aren't using mysterious shower room bonuses as a cop out. Phone Post 3.0

Back in 2004, Zuffa was in their fourth year of owning the UFC and weren't even on a network, yet they still paid guys a minimum of $2K/$2K and caught tons of shit for it.

Fast forward to 2013 and Bellator is in it's fifth year, has been on TV for it's entire existence, and now has a deal with a major cable network with a history of MMA programming. Why are they paying less than the pre-TUF era UFC?

Correct me if I'm wrong but Zuffa and the UFC was also selling $1 mil gates at that point and around 80k a show for ppv. That seems like a lot more than a $75k gate and the $60k or whatever SPIKE is paying.
10/14/13 12:47 PM
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You think that's bad pay? Any idea how wide the gap is between the UFC and Bellator in terms of fighter pay:revenue? Clue - wider than Soa Paleleleleleleiiii Phone Post 3.0

Flawed logic.

Oh, mathematics is flawed


Well yeah, since Viacom obviously lost a bunch of money on that event. The gate barely covered having Cheick on the card. Bellator is currently running an unsustainable model, and that's paying some guys $1500 to fight.

As someone said, Bellator needs a region to call home. Maybe the north-east would be a good spot to call home. Jersey, Mass, Maine, stuff like that.
10/14/13 12:47 PM
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Over 99% of boxers don't even make $500 a fight. The pay disparity in boxing is degrees of magnitude higher than MMA. Phone Post 3.0
10/14/13 1:00 PM
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Bananatoles - Dang that's much worse than the ufc.

2000 bucks really? If the fighters used all their training time to collect pop bottles they would earn more Phone Post 3.0

Juan Quesada: $1,500

That sucks to be a pro fighter and make less money than to pay rent on a 1 bedroom apartment.
I fought for Bellator earlier this year, pay was $1000show/$1000win. And that's the highest pay I've ever had from a fight.

The fight prior to Bellator pay was $600/$600 and the fight after was $500/$500

This isn't the sport to get into for the money. Phone Post 3.0

Can i ask if your fight was recorded and broadcast on SPIKE? And how many fights were you contracted or obligated for with Bellator?

My fight was a Spike.com prelim. I was the first fight of the night at Bellator 89 in Charlotte, NC back in February. It was for 1 fight. I lost a decision, but my manager told me they were impressed with how professional I was regarding the situation(original opponent got injured and I got a new one a week out, I accepted the first guy they offered no questions asked) and that they would bring me back. They're probably not gonna bring me back though. I came into that fight with a 7-3 record, I lost a decision then bounced back and won a fight in my hometown in August. Now I'm 8-4.


Thanks for the answer. Hopefully they do bring you back - and for bigger purses.

I take my cues from Luke Thomas and others on this, it's much worse to pay a small purse when they're putting you on a major broadcast in which they're getting paid millions for it. I don't think Bellator is making much of anything on the .com but if they had put you on the cable TV broadcast, where they would have made money off showing you, then I think you should get a bigger cut since your fighting is what's making them that money. If it was a TV show SAG would be making sure you got a minimum.

The same with the contracts. If they're going to sign people to long contracts in which, if a fighter does great he can't negotiate a better deal and is stuck with the promotion for a long time but if he loses they can drop him like a hot potato then a promoter should be paying more for that. All the reward and none of the risk shouldn't come cheap.
10/14/13 2:00 PM
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quality - I agree with the reasons that the fighters don't make a lot of money, but it sucks to be a pro at anything and not make enough to pay the rent.

Also if only 1400 tickets sold that really sucks for Bellator. I'm surprised at how low that number is. There are local events and smaller promotions that consistently sell more than that.

actually they only sold 900 tickets... 600 was given away to have an attendance of 1400.

 

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If you watch the dark bouts on spike.com, it's clear most of these guys would not be in the UFC. One of the fighters themselves said he'd be fighting for $500/$500 or $600/$600 elsewhere.

Tim, I'd be willing to bet they'll bring you back when they have another show in North or South Carolina.

"If you watch the dark bouts on spike.com, it's clear most of these guys would not be in the UFC."

Well not to speak for anyone else, but I personally do believe I can compete at that level. I've been a little inconsistent lately and had a little bad luck but seeing some of the guys that get on TUF or that fight on the prelims, I don't consider them to be a higher level than me skill-wise.

 

Hopefully I will be brought back, but I'm not holding my breath on them ever coming to South Carolina, and I doubt they'll even come back to North Carolina....

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quality - I agree with the reasons that the fighters don't make a lot of money, but it sucks to be a pro at anything and not make enough to pay the rent.

Also if only 1400 tickets sold that really sucks for Bellator. I'm surprised at how low that number is. There are local events and smaller promotions that consistently sell more than that.

actually they only sold 900 tickets... 600 was given away to have an attendance of 1400.

 

Actually it would be 800 tickets sold but who's counting Phone Post 3.0
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Sounds like the writing is on the wall for Bellator unfortunately.
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quality - I agree with the reasons that the fighters don't make a lot of money, but it sucks to be a pro at anything and not make enough to pay the rent.

Also if only 1400 tickets sold that really sucks for Bellator. I'm surprised at how low that number is. There are local events and smaller promotions that consistently sell more than that.

actually they only sold 900 tickets... 600 was given away to have an attendance of 1400.

 


At what point is giving away 2/3s of the amount of tickets you've sold counter productive? Meaning, at a certain point wouldn't you want to stop comping so many tickets regardless of how many you've sold. I get that you want seats to be filled and present a product that appears popular, but that seems to be more of a "start up" tactic, a couple years into the game wouldn't the goal be to be popular and profitable?
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I had knew a guy that fought on a Bellator undercard in New Orleans 3 or 4 years ago that fought for free.  If I remember correctly, there were 2 under card fights where they listed the guys as Amateurs, despite this guy having already earned money fighting.


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