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10/14/13 10:35 PM
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BJ Penn Forever
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What does a prelim fighter average in Shooto, KSW, WSOF, M1?
How about the main event guys in those shows or shows like Pancrase, KOTK, MFC, Jungle Fight etc...
10/14/13 11:19 PM
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You think that's bad pay? Any idea how wide the gap is between the UFC and Bellator in terms of fighter pay:revenue? Clue - wider than Soa Paleleleleleleiiii Phone Post 3.0

Flawed logic.
Did you know that Jerry Jones made around 231 million dollars (that's operating revenue) and Tony Romo, the star of the franchise, is only making $11 million per year? What does that mean? If I had to throw a guess out there, I would say that it means that owners make a lot more money than employees. Phone Post

Shhh... logic is not allowed
10/14/13 11:29 PM
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I'm trippin on how they are making money when their hates are only a percentage of what they pay out. Can they really be making that much money quietly? Phone Post
10/14/13 11:32 PM
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2000 bucks really? If the fighters used all their training time to collect pop bottles they would earn more Phone Post 3.0

Juan Quesada: $1,500

That sucks to be a pro fighter and make less money than to pay rent on a 1 bedroom apartment.
1500 would get you a 4 bedroom apartment here, you must live in a pretty expensive place where they charge 1500 for 1 bedroom Phone Post 3.0

Orange County that gets you a 1 bedroom apartment,,,,,and it's pretty small too
10/14/13 11:32 PM
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A 73k gate for Bellator makes me worried for the state of MMA. If Bellator can only sell 800 tickets, how are the bumfuck regional shows going to sell tickets?

Bellator just does an AWFUL job of promoting their cards for the live audience. They pretty much outsource it to whatever casino is hosting the event that week. Bellator is, and always has been, far more concerned with their TV product than they are with their live audience.

Lots of local MMA shows with much weaker rosters easily outdraw Bellator at the turnstiles. Since they don't have TV deals and rely on the live gate to pay their bills, they put a lot of effort into getting people to come out to the show.
I went to a local show in maine that easily had 5000 people.in attendance. That's crazy that they had more in attendance than bellator Phone Post
10/14/13 11:33 PM
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KOdClowning - I just looked, can't find the highlight tape on youtube. what happened?

I took my highlight and some of my other fights down. I feel like it was actually very counter productive to me getting fight opportunities.

10/14/13 11:34 PM
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These days, the local shows in Vancouver have about 500 people in attendance.
10/15/13 12:18 AM
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You guys that are complaining about the undercard pay, do you even watch the Bellator prelims? There's guys with losing records on there I'm pretty sure.
10/15/13 1:23 AM
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You think that's bad pay? Any idea how wide the gap is between the UFC and Bellator in terms of fighter pay:revenue? Clue - wider than Soa Paleleleleleleiiii Phone Post 3.0

Flawed logic.
Did you know that Jerry Jones made around 231 million dollars (that's operating revenue) and Tony Romo, the star of the franchise, is only making $11 million per year? What does that mean? If I had to throw a guess out there, I would say that it means that owners make a lot more money than employees. Phone Post

Shhh... logic is not allowed

NFL salaries are determined by the revenue for the whole league, not one team. The CBA dictates that 47% of all revenue be earmarked to the players (probably closer to 40% since the owners don't have to split certain sources) so picking the most profitable team who's is bound to the same salary cap limits as the rest of the NFL is cherry picking.
I didn't cherry pick the Cowboys. Although it is true that they are the most valuable franchise in the league, in terms of annual revenue, the average NFL team generates around $270 million a year. Phone Post
10/15/13 1:51 AM
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A more interesting number would be percent of revenue given to the fighters.
10/15/13 3:47 AM
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You think that's bad pay? Any idea how wide the gap is between the UFC and Bellator in terms of fighter pay:revenue? Clue - wider than Soa Paleleleleleleiiii Phone Post 3.0

Flawed logic.
Did you know that Jerry Jones made around 231 million dollars (that's operating revenue) and Tony Romo, the star of the franchise, is only making $11 million per year? What does that mean? If I had to throw a guess out there, I would say that it means that owners make a lot more money than employees. Phone Post

Shhh... logic is not allowed

NFL salaries are determined by the revenue for the whole league, not one team. The CBA dictates that 47% of all revenue be earmarked to the players (probably closer to 40% since the owners don't have to split certain sources) so picking the most profitable team who's is bound to the same salary cap limits as the rest of the NFL is cherry picking.
I didn't cherry pick the Cowboys. Although it is true that they are the most valuable franchise in the league, in terms of annual revenue, the average NFL team generates around $270 million a year. Phone Post

They each generate $270 million in revenue but each team also average $120 million in player salaries.
I'm not seeing your point. You can figure a $750k average gate. If it is a PPV event @ an average buy rate of 450k, cut that in half for cable/sat/ppv operator split so 225k @ $50 per comes out to $11.25 million. So roughly $12 million per event. Once you factor in non-disclosed locker room/performance bonuses with PPV cuts for the headliners you are probably coming close to 30/70 split per event. Considering that unlike other major sports the UFC has to pay out of pocket to produce their events (as opposed to the major sports who have networks paying them for the privilege of producing their events) That isn't even counting the insurance premiums for all fighters (and that number must be fucking frightening).
Could the pay be better? Of course. But considering that they are really only 12 years into owning the UFC, and they are only 15% off of the pay schedule of the #1 sport in America's players union CBA. Phone Post
10/15/13 9:49 AM
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2000 bucks really? If the fighters used all their training time to collect pop bottles they would earn more Phone Post 3.0

Juan Quesada: $1,500

That sucks to be a pro fighter and make less money than to pay rent on a 1 bedroom apartment.
1500 would get you a 4 bedroom apartment here, you must live in a pretty expensive place where they charge 1500 for 1 bedroom Phone Post 3.0

Orange County that gets you a 1 bedroom apartment,,,,,and it's pretty small too

Now divide that pay by 3 or 4 and what can you afford since a lot of fighters fight 3 or 4 times a year?
10/15/13 3:32 PM
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The Little Axe Murderer - 
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Bananatoles - Dang that's much worse than the ufc.

2000 bucks really? If the fighters used all their training time to collect pop bottles they would earn more Phone Post 3.0

Juan Quesada: $1,500

That sucks to be a pro fighter and make less money than to pay rent on a 1 bedroom apartment.
1500 would get you a 4 bedroom apartment here, you must live in a pretty expensive place where they charge 1500 for 1 bedroom Phone Post 3.0

You must live in a real shit hole if $1500 gets you a 4 bedroom apartment.
10/15/13 4:18 PM
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2000 bucks really? If the fighters used all their training time to collect pop bottles they would earn more Phone Post 3.0

Juan Quesada: $1,500

That sucks to be a pro fighter and make less money than to pay rent on a 1 bedroom apartment.
1500 would get you a 4 bedroom apartment here, you must live in a pretty expensive place where they charge 1500 for 1 bedroom Phone Post 3.0
Here has in Toronto canada Phone Post 3.0

Where in Toronto? The condo I'm moving out of at the bottom of Spadina is listed at over $1600. 10 years ago I lived in a 3 bedroom house at Yonge and Eg that cost $2,500. Even in Hamilton you'd pay $2000 or more for a 4 bedroom house and that was 8 years ago. Little Italy, you'd probably be paying $2500 or more these days. So either this is you blowing smoke, or you consider Barrie to be part of Toronto.
10/15/13 4:33 PM
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The Little Axe Murderer - 
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Bananatoles - Dang that's much worse than the ufc.

2000 bucks really? If the fighters used all their training time to collect pop bottles they would earn more Phone Post 3.0

Juan Quesada: $1,500

That sucks to be a pro fighter and make less money than to pay rent on a 1 bedroom apartment.
1500 would get you a 4 bedroom apartment here, you must live in a pretty expensive place where they charge 1500 for 1 bedroom Phone Post 3.0
Here has in Toronto canada Phone Post 3.0

Where in Toronto can you get a 4 bedroom house for $1500? the average one bedroom (non basement apartment) is $1200. I'm talking Toronto, Toronto. not the GTA (Greater Toronto Area).
10/15/13 7:22 PM
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You think that's bad pay? Any idea how wide the gap is between the UFC and Bellator in terms of fighter pay:revenue? Clue - wider than Soa Paleleleleleleiiii Phone Post 3.0

Flawed logic.
Did you know that Jerry Jones made around 231 million dollars (that's operating revenue) and Tony Romo, the star of the franchise, is only making $11 million per year? What does that mean? If I had to throw a guess out there, I would say that it means that owners make a lot more money than employees. Phone Post

Shhh... logic is not allowed

NFL salaries are determined by the revenue for the whole league, not one team. The CBA dictates that 47% of all revenue be earmarked to the players (probably closer to 40% since the owners don't have to split certain sources) so picking the most profitable team who's is bound to the same salary cap limits as the rest of the NFL is cherry picking.
I didn't cherry pick the Cowboys. Although it is true that they are the most valuable franchise in the league, in terms of annual revenue, the average NFL team generates around $270 million a year. Phone Post

They each generate $270 million in revenue but each team also average $120 million in player salaries.
I'm not seeing your point. You can figure a $750k average gate. If it is a PPV event @ an average buy rate of 450k, cut that in half for cable/sat/ppv operator split so 225k @ $50 per comes out to $11.25 million. So roughly $12 million per event. Once you factor in non-disclosed locker room/performance bonuses with PPV cuts for the headliners you are probably coming close to 30/70 split per event. Considering that unlike other major sports the UFC has to pay out of pocket to produce their events (as opposed to the major sports who have networks paying them for the privilege of producing their events) That isn't even counting the insurance premiums for all fighters (and that number must be fucking frightening).
Could the pay be better? Of course. But considering that they are really only 12 years into owning the UFC, and they are only 15% off of the pay schedule of the #1 sport in America's players union CBA. Phone Post

First, you're greatly underestimating the revenue on 450,000 selling ppv. This year numbered events have averaged over $2 mil at the gate. There is also non North American ppv sales which aren't included into the ppv sales plus fees bars pay to show. Add in foreign tv broadcasts, sponsorship money (both to the UFC direcly and through the sponsor tax on fighters), merchandise sales and later repacking as DVD and on TV DDV sales and you're talking closer to $20 million than $12 million. If they are paying $4 million to all the fighters that's 20% of the revenue for that card..

Lorenzo said during that EPSN interview 2 years ago that they've paid $250 million to the fighters between 2005-2011 while estimates are that they made $1.5 billion or more during that same span. That would meant the fighters share during that time is about 16%.
Its the average for all events. I didn't count DVD/Videogame/Foreign Markets for the same reason I didn't count fighter sponsorships and endorsements. Those are figures aren't available and it is pure speculation. Phone Post

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