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10/18/13 5:58 PM
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Regardless of much as one side wants to blame the other, they are both responsible.

Dana couldn't stop talking shit about Fedor and his legacy. When Fedor was still fighting, the UG was inundated with Dana quotes bashing Fedor. Not a good start to negotiations.

Fedor and Co came in with some unrealistic demands. This could have been in response to Dana's non-stop shit talk. Maybe, maybe not.

All I know is the fans missed out on some potentially exciting fights. History will remember this as clashing egos and rhetoric fit for a politician.

Everyone has egg on their face in this sad story. Phone Post 3.0
10/18/13 5:59 PM
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It's funny to me those that bring up "the big stage", or "#1 organization/promotion".

Fedor is an organization.
The whole UFC was competing with one man.


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10/18/13 6:42 PM
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MuchRespec' - OK the problem with these arguments is you kids completely lack perspective.

It's like saying Jack Johnson couldn't have been any good because he never fought for Don King and all the greatest champs fought for Don King.

Does that sound stupid? It should. Yet that's the argument you kids are making, "he couldn't have been any good because he never fought for Dana Fucking White".

Horse. Shit.

When Fedor was at the top of his game the absolute BEST the UFC could produce was Tim Sylvia, Andrei Arlovski and Frank Mir. And Dana and his sycophants back then were claiming that Fedor was afraid of Tim Sylvia.

How about this: don't be a fucking mark. The guy was a great fighter and his run was legendary. I feel sorry for you guys that missed it, it was fucking epic.

But if you're just going to repeat Dana's PR just understand that it makes you sound foolish. Fighting is a hard way to make a living and fighters get old. If they're really really good, like Fedor, they get rich along the way. Like Fedor.

It's hard to stay motivated to train your ass off to fight your ass off for money, when you're already rich. And what motivation would there be, if you were a rich fighter at the tail end of your career, to fight for a guy who's done nothing for the past 10 years but talk nasty shit about you?

The funniest part is you kids trying to pretend that none of it mattered because he never fought in the UFC. The UFC was the second tier for HW talent during Fedor's run. The guy signed with Scott Coker after making (literally) millions in affliction because Coker wasn't a dick.

Really if you can't understand this, there's no hope for you.

Very good post sir
10/18/13 7:28 PM
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Dana handled himself like a piece of shit during that time.

 

10/18/13 7:32 PM
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Dana probably asked him if he 'wanted to be a f-king FIGHTER?!'
10/18/13 7:40 PM
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Bottom line is that Vadim was all about building up the M1 Global brand at that time, period. Hence the desire for an arena in Russia.
10/18/13 7:45 PM
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everyone wanted to see Fedor in the UFC.

everyone that is, except Fedor and his team.

That White and Fertita has 0 remorse shows that they did all they could to sign Fedor.

Dana and Lorenzo wanted to see Fedor fight in the UFC just as bad as everyone here, if there's one person that could have made that deal its Lorenzo, and he could not.

So really, for me, this puts it to rest.

At least we know which side was negociating in good faith and we can move on from there, at least, I did.

The worst for me was if there would have never been any talk or effort to get Fedor in the UFC, it revealed that it was no coincidence that Fedor avoided the UFC for his entire career.
10/18/13 7:52 PM
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What Dana meant when he said "you are one punch away..."

Fedor was pretty much undefeated, his whole career he fought to gain momentum and make money.

At the peak of your career, undefeated, you got ONE chance to put it all on the line in a gigantic fight and get massive exposure and cash.

And the opportunity could go away with a single punch.

At least, that's what I understood, Dana was talking about an opportunity that wouldn't come around again.

I don't think it was meant as an insult, they were talking business.
10/18/13 7:56 PM
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Dana White to the greatest fighter of all time, hands down the greatest heavyweight of all time-

"You should sign with my promotion because you are only 1 punch away from being worth nothing"

 

 

Yeah, that was a very stupid thing to say at the negotiating table.  Dana has shown he can hold himself accountable, unfortunately either his ego is too big, or he fears the downfall would be too much if he admitted he shouldn't have been so brash when dealing with Fedor.

 

 


This.

Not this, are you guys forgetting Fedor's management wanting to CO-Promote? Thats the ONLY thing that stopped it from happening. I hope I don't get voted down for this but come on, quit making Dana out to be the devil, we all know that's Frank Mir. It's not that Dana's ego was too big, he just wasn't going to co-promote with M1, and why the fuck should he of?

Fedor says It was Dana, Dana says It was Fedors managers. The truth probably lies somewhere In the middle. Probably leaning towards fedor though, since Dana and company tend to be less honest about this kind of thing. They are promotors, after all.
10/18/13 7:57 PM
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You're one punch away from being worth f---ing zero.'


Dana has zero tact. Phone Post 3.0
10/18/13 7:59 PM
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kinson - Didn't Hendo beat fedor? Just saying. Phone Post
Yup, not only was Fedor not the greatest heavyweight ever. He wasn't even one of the best light heavyweights of the night. Phone Post
You two should try harder. Or go away. Phone Post
Are you trying to dispute that an out-of- his prime ex-UFC light heavyweight KO'd Fedor in one round? Phone Post

I don't think Hendo was out of his prime then..Fedor was losing his fire, while Hendo's burned brighter than ever. Likely through Unnatural means. Like Randy couture, not many can do what Hendo did..But they found ways to extend their primes, extend their careers.
10/18/13 8:18 PM
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eXtv - Hendo at the tail end of his career, wow he lost to Hendo one of the best of all time and with wins over other Heavyweights like Yvel and Minotauro.

What's his record then, 32.... - 4???? Oh my god 4 losses out of 36 fights what an overrated can crusher.
Tell me the names of 10 people in his 30 fight win streak without using google Phone Post 3.0
10/18/13 8:27 PM
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Fighters Only, web/editorial
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fedor did fight loads of shit guys as well as top killers, i dont know why the fanboy contingent dry and deny that element of his record. He's contender for GOAT but facts are facts
10/18/13 8:39 PM
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Fedor put him in his place in the negotiations. Wasn't afraid to tell Dana like it was.


 

10/18/13 8:50 PM
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Fedor Vs. Brock would have looked a lot like Brock vs. Mir II. But it was and is probably the fight the fight I wanted to see most as far as the heavyweight division is concerned.
10/18/13 8:59 PM
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time traveling 12er - I see Fedor as the Bill Russell of MMA. Lots of people have him as one of the goats, but it's hard to say he was THE goat because of the circumstances of his era. Also those three consecutive losses really puts a question mark on his GOAT status. Eventually the Michael Jordan of MMA may come about and people will push Fedor down the ranks.

 

It most certainly is NOT hard to say he was THE goat.

 

 

I can make a case for Fedor being the Goat over anyone, and it's easy.  There is Fedor, and then there is the rest. I have no reason to say this other than his career made me feel this way. Trust me, I wanted Big Nog to win against him, wanted Randy and Barnett to beat him, but at the end of the day, it's crystal clear to me he is the greatest fighter I have ever seen or known about.

 

If you however feel there are others who have a better resume, by all means, put your debate hat on and get a cup of coffee, it will be a long night for you.

10/18/13 9:24 PM
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lol @ all the noobs that think UFC was bigger than Pride back in the day.

10/18/13 9:25 PM
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MuchRespec' - I guess it's more of a soto makkikomi but whatever, that kid hits the turn with authority.
Coming from aikido, I'd also say seio nage Phone Post
10/18/13 9:37 PM
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JediJitsu - You're one punch away from being worth f---ing zero.'


Dana has zero tact. Phone Post 3.0

You didn't understand the statement.

He was trying to put together a superfight by pointing out that you only get the chance for such a mega-fight once.

If you knocked out (or triangle chocked, beaten to stoppage, and then KO'd) in your next fight, you will NOT get the chance to make that kind of money again. Ever.

Perfectly sound negotiation tactic, especially when sitting across the table for Russian mobsters demanding a fucking stadium.

You guys must be some weak negotiators to think pointing out the obvious is 'disrespectful'.
10/18/13 10:47 PM
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NocauteMMA - Fedor Vs. Brock would have looked a lot like Brock vs. Mir II. But it was and is probably the fight the fight I wanted to see most as far as the heavyweight division is concerned.

This.

I am a Fedor fan forever and never cared for Brock that much but I respect his skillset.

With Fedor's tendency in his later fights to plant his feet and throw bungalows, looping Russian style bungalows with all his weight behind them I think that'd leave him wide open for Brock to double leg him into bolivia. Fedor never gets out from underneath and is pounded out.

I don't think he gets a sub from the bottom against such a big guy with that kind of top control. I think it would've probably been pretty one sided.

Don't know if he's the GOAT or not, not really that important to me. I was always excited to watch him fight.



10/19/13 12:57 AM
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What does it matter that Fedor thought Dana White "hated" him? He has said countless times that he lets his management handle "all that."

Dana White said a lot of mean spirited, derogatory things about the guy that I consider my number one favorite fighter of all time.

That had no bearing on why he did not sign.

It's been stated over and over that M1 wanted to co-promote, and that was the big hiccup.

Despite Dana's dumbass anti-Fedor rants, M1 was willing to play ball if they could co-promote. It was a ridiculous proposition, and Fedor didnt sign.

We can shit-talk Dana all day and night for things he said about Fedor that just aren't true. But it is NOT why a deal wasn't signed.

10/19/13 1:51 AM
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lol @ all the noobs that think UFC was bigger than Pride back in the day.

This, fucking hilarious Phone Post 3.0
10/19/13 2:06 AM
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JediJitsu - You're one punch away from being worth f---ing zero.'


Dana has zero tact. Phone Post 3.0

You didn't understand the statement.

He was trying to put together a superfight by pointing out that you only get the chance for such a mega-fight once.

If you knocked out (or triangle chocked, beaten to stoppage, and then KO'd) in your next fight, you will NOT get the chance to make that kind of money again. Ever.

Perfectly sound negotiation tactic, especially when sitting across the table for Russian mobsters demanding a fucking stadium.

You guys must be some weak negotiators to think pointing out the obvious is 'disrespectful'.
I understood the statement just fine.

It could have been said in a much more professional and respectful manner, ie, with tact. Phone Post 3.0
10/19/13 2:09 AM
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Fedor would have FUCKING KILLED Brock! Dana would have spent millions to have his HW champ get KO'd in the first round
10/19/13 5:48 AM
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time traveling 12er - I see Fedor as the Bill Russell of MMA. Lots of people have him as one of the goats, but it's hard to say he was THE goat because of the circumstances of his era. Also those three consecutive losses really puts a question mark on his GOAT status. Eventually the Michael Jordan of MMA may come about and people will push Fedor down the ranks.

 

It most certainly is NOT hard to say he was THE goat.

 

 

I can make a case for Fedor being the Goat over anyone, and it's easy.  There is Fedor, and then there is the rest. I have no reason to say this other than his career made me feel this way. Trust me, I wanted Big Nog to win against him, wanted Randy and Barnett to beat him, but at the end of the day, it's crystal clear to me he is the greatest fighter I have ever seen or known about.

 

If you however feel there are others who have a better resume, by all means, put your debate hat on and get a cup of coffee, it will be a long night for you.


For me, to be the GOAT there has to be very few questions. And there are lots of questions that can be asked on Fedor's Goat status. For one there's the era in which he was the most dominant. Some might consider it the heyday of the sport, but many others may consider it the sport in it's infancy. A time when the sport wasn't attracting the level of athlete that it does now or will increasingly attract in the future. Then there are the questions of where he fought. In Pride, where there have been accusations of fight fixing, yakuza invlovement, no testing for PED's, ect. Then there are his three consecutive losses to fighters that shouldn't have been on his level. His supporters went from GOAT to saying he was already past his prime in the matter of one or two fights. Then there's the question of how deep his own division was in comparison to other divisions. I've heard people say that Prides HW division was the toughest division of all time, but some will disagree.

Like I said he's the Bill Russell of MMA and it's not a diss on Fedor, just a comment on his place in history. Bill Russell had an era of domination that is nearly unmatched in all sports. 10 years of titles as the main man. This, in a sport where even winning two in a row is hard. But he's not #1 one many GOAT lists. Why? Because there are too many questions. The depth of the league and level of talent at the time. The strength of his teammates. And possibly most importantly the fact that almost no fan alive watched him play. Imagine how much worse it would be if he never even played in the NBA and only played in the ABA.

This is going to be Fedor some day. If MMA grows huge Fedor is going to be a phantom name that only hard core fans call out because ZUFFA owns all his tape. The vast majority of fans will not have seen him fight and only have a vague notion of what Pride even was. Even those that take the time to look back will see his three losses to questionable opposition at the end of his career and most glaringly the fact that he never stepped foot in the octagon.

Then there's the simple fact that Anderson Silva arguably has a more impressive streak in a more relevant era and he did it in the premier organization. If Fedor is the undisputed GOAT there shouldn't be a name that's arguably above him IMO.

Don't follow your line of thinking at all. Fedor is the #1 on many, many GOAT lists and pro fighters today are still coming out and putting him at #1 all time. JDS did it, Aldo did it, Randleman did it, etc.

Look at it this way; the guy's last real big fight was over 2 years ago, he's been retired for over a year, and yet there are still threads being made daily about him on here, Dana is still answering questions about him, and fighters are still coming out and saying he's the best ever. Doesn't seem like his legend is fading into irrelevancy at all.

And there is no 'undisputed' GOAT in MMA because there are a bunch of guys that can have a case made for them. It's a subjective discussion and there are always going to be people with different interpretations.

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