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10/23/13 6:32 PM
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TBoy2
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TBoy2 - I've been training for 17 years w/o regular black belt instructor. Just got my brown this year and I guess you could call me a hobbyist, at least compared to other BJJ people. I train on average twice a week. Some years I was down to 1 day a week and others 3-4 days a week.

Started in 1995 under a Rickson blue belt when I was still competing in Judo. My first instructor in addition to being a blue under Rickson, was a Judo NeWaza specialist, and trained every year with Erik Paulson. Learned a ton the first few years. I eventually changed gyms because I was not learning anymore or getting better. Should have left a couple years earlier but stayed out of loyalty.

The new gym was taught by a very good purple college student, Rylan Lizares. He got his brown, finished school and moved back to Hawaii. He later got his black and is one of the top instructors in Hawaii. Then Jeff Rockwell took over after Rylan left who was a purple at the time. He left a year or so later and is also now a black belt. After Rylan left we have had other purple and brown belt instructors. A couple of these instructors moved away and started their own schools. Now I am one of 4 brown belt instructors at the school. The head instructor is very close now to his black belt.

It has been a long journey for me. I commonly ask myself "Who the heck trains a martial art for 17 years and is not a black belt?" Crazy, huh

Jeff Rockwell is almost always the main instructor at every class I go to and that dudes awesome.

Yeah Jeff is Awesome. I learned allot from him and still use things he taught me. It has been a few years since we trained but I'm sure he is still way good.

He was always on the cutting edge of BJJ. I remember seeing him in 1995/96 using the deep half guard before it was called that. One time he rolled with this huge guy using the Deep Half and the guy couldn't do nothing. I thought it was way cool and had him teach it to me.

Back then there was also the debate of training Gi vs NoGi. For like the first 10 months I only saw him train in the Gi at our school. Then he entered a big Submission tournament and beat everyone. He was even using chokes before they were popular like the Peruvian Necktie. The Peruvian Necktie wasn't a known name for the choke, at least by us. Jeff called it the Top Drop choke.
10/23/13 7:26 PM
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Double Gold BJJ - Another question to ask to those of you that don't train with black belts is, Is there a blackbelt in your town? Do you not train with a blackbelt out of choice or are you forced to?
When I started there was 2 black belts in my town, now there is 3. Really it didn't bother me when I first started because everyone was smashing me anyway.

Now my team is my team and that's that.

The club we are affiliated with has around 5 black belts 3 hours away and that's who I train with when I travel. Phone Post 3.0
10/23/13 8:32 PM
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When I first started training my instructor was a purple belt teaching out of his garage. At that time I believe there was only one black belt in Tucson. Now there are 13 or so, including my instructor.

I spent my first 6 years of training without having a black belt to train with on a regular basis. In all honesty, I think it was a better way to start. We did not have any sort of formal school; it was more like a club than anything. It allowed me to miss out on a lot of the politics that happen in jiu jitsu.
10/24/13 3:13 PM
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I did until I got my Blackbelt so I guess now I guess I do? Phone Post 3.0
10/25/13 9:21 AM
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I've been training for 7 years without black belts. Instructors or otherwise. We have black belts, just none that train or instruct the classes I attend. Our club has early morning classes between 7-9 am. These classes offer me the ability to train while minimizing the amount of time spent away from my family.

I for sure miss the opportunity to learn from these resources and it's also likely stunted my own development. Perhaps once the kids get a little older and it's not cool to spend time with pops anymore I'll start looking at training at different times and get some much needed black belt time in.
10/29/13 3:51 AM
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First club was run by a purple, the one I'm at now by a brown.
Both have now had black belts for a while now.

One difference I note as time went on is that they were MUCH more passionate about teaching originally, and due to far smaller class sizes there was a lot more attention given.

Haven't rolled with my instructor since the day he got his purple Phone Post 3.0
10/29/13 4:20 AM
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I used to train with Victor Estima. He was on the mat rolling with us every day, which was cool, but the gulf in ability was enormous - even with the brown belts; he could just play with people.

Then Victor left and opened a new gym, so I started training with a friend who is a purple belt (so am I). I still train with a blackbelt every 2 or 3 weeks and my progress seems fine. Phone Post 3.0
11/1/13 3:24 AM
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Do you train in Charleston? Phone Post 3.0
11/1/13 3:37 AM
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Double Gold BJJ - Another question to ask to those of you that don't train with black belts is, Is there a blackbelt in your town? Do you not train with a blackbelt out of choice or are you forced to?

There are none withing 100 miles of here.
11/1/13 7:44 AM
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Do you train in Charleston? Phone Post 3.0
No, I train on the other side of the state in the Greenville area (Simpsonville) Phone Post 3.0
11/4/13 11:24 PM
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Only trained under a black for a few months in 16 years of grappling Phone Post
11/5/13 9:28 AM
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first 2 years were under a bb. he turned his school over to me and my partner when we got our blue belts and he moved to teach elsewhere. in a town with 4 other bjj/mma acadamies with bb instructors, that was intimidating when i thought about it... so i didnt think about it much. 3 years running the gym, were both purple belts now. we have a bb hobbyist who trains twice a week at our gym, who got promoted last year and doesnt have interest in running the school or teaching more than one small class on the weekend. we both do mma (hes a 6-1 pro and im about to make my pro debut) and compete actively in bjj. we both study our asses off. we use our students to learn - like if i struggle with a move or position or a counter ill teach it to my class and then see what they come up with, or if i struggle when someone else does something to me ill teach that to everyone so that im forced to come up with a solution. we also made an relationship with 2 of the other bb's in town and once or twice a month well go train with them. our enrollment has gone from 19 students in november of 2010 to over 90 today. working our way up. a lot of hard work, and it will never end, and i love it so it isnt really work.

11/5/13 9:29 AM
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first 2 years were under a bb. he turned his school over to me and my partner when we got our blue belts and he moved to teach elsewhere. in a town with 4 other bjj/mma acadamies with bb instructors, that was intimidating when i thought about it... so i didnt think about it much. 3 years running the gym, were both purple belts now. we have a bb hobbyist who trains twice a week at our gym, who got promoted last year and doesnt have interest in running the school or teaching more than one small class on the weekend. we both do mma (hes a 6-1 pro and im about to make my pro debut) and compete actively in bjj. we both study our asses off. we use our students to learn - like if i struggle with a move or position or a counter ill teach it to my class and then see what they come up with, or if i struggle when someone else does something to me ill teach that to everyone so that im forced to come up with a solution. we also made an relationship with 2 of the other bb's in town and once or twice a month well go train with them. our enrollment has gone from 19 students in november of 2010 to over 90 today. working our way up. a lot of hard work, and it will never end, and i love it so it isnt really work.


also - our bb we trained under is still our instructor and im on the phone with him every week. we fly him to town 3 times a year for seminars.


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