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11/21/13 1:41 AM
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LOL! 

Not sure if serious and really dont care. You race means nothing and your situation is your own fault. Man up and take care of business. Every man falls down in life (myself included - and itwas a hard one) and it our own responsibility to take care of our business notthe governments. 

11/21/13 1:42 AM
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LOL! 

Not sure if serious and really dont care. You race means nothing and your situation is your own fault. Man up and take care of business. Every man falls down in life (myself included - and itwas a hard one) and it our own responsibility to take care of our business notthe governments. 


Nah, I'm good with single white engineers getting that maternity tax, nah mean? Fuck 'em.

11/21/13 1:50 AM
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LOL! 

Not sure if serious and really dont care. You race means nothing and your situation is your own fault. Man up and take care of business. Every man falls down in life (myself included - and itwas a hard one) and it our own responsibility to take care of our business notthe governments. 


Nah, I'm good with single white engineers getting that maternity tax, nah mean? Fuck 'em.


LOL!

You think your trying to be clever but really your just being.. you.

11/21/13 1:52 AM
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rjbo71 - 

LOL! 

Not sure if serious and really dont care. You race means nothing and your situation is your own fault. Man up and take care of business. Every man falls down in life (myself included - and itwas a hard one) and it our own responsibility to take care of our business notthe governments. 


Nah, I'm good with single white engineers getting that maternity tax, nah mean? Fuck 'em.


LOL!

You think your trying to be clever but really your just being.. you.


Not the "Welcome back!" I was expecting from you...

11/21/13 2:12 AM
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The bottom line is the OP should just pay the fine and if ya get sick they can't decline you due to preexisting illnesses.

Obama is such a moron he let Congress design and structure the law which bears his name and will bear his name and which will define his presidency.

Who is ignorant enough to let Congress of all groups be responsible for designing the law which will bear your name and be your legacy. Hell when Hillary tried to pass a health care solution in the 90's she produced the bill and delivered it to Congress. When has Obama presented his own solution sans teleprompter?

The dude is lazy, ignorant, and reckless....The tragic part is the generations which will end up paying the price and be forced to fix this shit Phone Post 3.0
11/21/13 3:00 AM
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Wasn't there a lawyer type here defending this ACA to the death last year?? Steve was it?? Phone Post 3.0
11/21/13 3:10 AM
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I would be interested in reading Ridgeback's thoughts on healthcare. Shouldn't a single-payer healthcare system and Orthodoxy go together like peanut butter and jelly? (Not that the ACA counts)...


As far as I know there is no Orthodox teaching on what kind of economic model is best to follow.  Some hierarchs have shown some guarded support for free markets due to how much they appear to help the average person, but that is nothing like an official teaching.

I do think that the ACA was a blend of the worst parts of both corporatism and socialism.  It would have been better to just go for a single payer system, or maybe have a single payer system for all the people that make incomes less than a certain level.  But that would have to be attended with a huge decrease in military spending and bringing US troops home from most places in the world, especially those places that are perfectly capable of defending themselves.  It is pretty hard to justify the amount of money the US spends on its military when the only defensible war is a war of defense.  

11/21/13 3:28 AM
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Spazzo - Seems you have more of a problem with a shitty employer than Obamacare. Phone Post 3.0

No, I completely blame Obamacare. Without it, I would still have the same coverage. I don't blame my company for doing what they did. They shouldn't have to help foot the bills of people that are not of their concern, just like I shouldn't.
You understand the old system does what you blame Obamacare for. Someone isn't insured, you pay their hospital bills. Phone Post 3.0
11/21/13 3:32 AM
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Spazzo - Seems you have more of a problem with a shitty employer than Obamacare. Phone Post 3.0

No, I completely blame Obamacare. Without it, I would still have the same coverage. I don't blame my company for doing what they did. They shouldn't have to help foot the bills of people that are not of their concern, just like I shouldn't.
You understand the old system does what you blame Obamacare for. Someone isn't insured, you pay their hospital bills. Phone Post 3.0
No the hospital writes it off as charity or sues the person who doesn't pay. It's not as if the hosp sends taxpayers a bill.

I worked in medical billing and they have lawyers on retainer. Don't pay, go to collections, get sued. Then they garnish you. That's how that works.

I am sorry op. Phone Post 3.0
11/21/13 3:32 AM
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Single payer would have been much better than Obamacare. But it would never have gone anywhere in congress, unfortunately. Phone Post 3.0
11/21/13 3:52 AM
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Spazzo - Single payer would have been much better than Obamacare. But it would never have gone anywhere in congress, unfortunately. Phone Post 3.0

I agree, which is strange because most Americans have no problem with medicaid and social security.  

11/21/13 4:00 AM
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If the Democrats don't get rid of the ACA early next year they are going to get beaten during the mid-term elections in a brutal fashion.  I think they know this.  I don't think the ACA is long for this world.  


You have no idea what you are talking about, the Tea Party purge has already begun. Try following some elections. Yeesh.
11/21/13 5:59 AM
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Spazzo - Seems you have more of a problem with a shitty employer than Obamacare. Phone Post 3.0

No, I completely blame Obamacare. Without it, I would still have the same coverage. I don't blame my company for doing what they did. They shouldn't have to help foot the bills of people that are not of their concern, just like I shouldn't.
You understand the old system does what you blame Obamacare for. Someone isn't insured, you pay their hospital bills. Phone Post 3.0
No no no no no no no, unfortunately you've been fed this spoonful of dog shit and you believe it. For the most part most wound care facility, hospitals, etc. write non-payment off on their taxes. It helps them at the end o the year specially if their a non-profit. Your taxes never went to paying for those with out health insurances bills. This was something the insurance companies wanted you to believe from the get go so that this p.o.s. bill would get passed. Phone Post 3.0
11/21/13 6:05 AM
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I would be interested in reading Ridgeback's thoughts on healthcare. Shouldn't a single-payer healthcare system and Orthodoxy go together like peanut butter and jelly? (Not that the ACA counts)...


Can you tell me what other industrialized nation has adopted the same monstrosity we have here in the States?

Meanwhile I will tell you about the likes of Franc and Italy that has actually been moving to a more privatized system.

 


The reason 'murica has ended up with such a monstrosity is due to the structure of the American political system. Switzerland's system is what Obamacare should look like.
11/21/13 6:16 AM
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ACA is another scrouge designed to break the backs of the American people. Phone Post
11/21/13 7:24 AM
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TSMontana - Had a decent health plan at a reasonable price through employer. Then a month ago, we were told that our premiums were going to go up 400% for the same coverage (healthy man in 30's, no dependents). Now, just before our enrollment period began, employer (relatively large company) decides not to offer any coverage starting in 2014. Got letter today telling us to go to healthcare.gov website for future health coverage.

Faced with dilemma to either attempt to enroll through that website (hell no...at least not now), try to find a private co-operative to enroll in that caters to freelancers in my profession (pay out the nose), or just thumb nose at the IRS and pray I don't get sick/injured. Couldn't imagine if I had a family how hard that choice would have to be. Hard enough without that complicating things.
This has me scared shitless. Our firm is only 6 people and we have group coverage. I basically pay for my own insurance through the firm and it's not cheap, but it is really good ($250 deductible, $2000 annual max). I looked on the healthcare.gov website for our state and I could find plans that cost about the same but they provided much less; could not find anything close to the same deductible and annual max. The lowest deductible I saw was $1k, and that plan cost about 50 percent more. Phone Post 3.0
11/21/13 9:17 AM
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Frills - The bottom line is the OP should just pay the fine and if ya get sick they can't decline you due to preexisting illnesses.

Obama is such a moron he let Congress design and structure the law which bears his name and will bear his name and which will define his presidency.

Who is ignorant enough to let Congress of all groups be responsible for designing the law which will bear your name and be your legacy. Hell when Hillary tried to pass a health care solution in the 90's she produced the bill and delivered it to Congress. When has Obama presented his own solution sans teleprompter?

The dude is lazy, ignorant, and reckless....The tragic part is the generations which will end up paying the price and be forced to fix this shit Phone Post 3.0

...and what exactly is that fine? That $10K figure everyone talks about, or the gradually increasing fines that they can't collect on unless you have a tax refund coming? Plus, I don't think that fine actually gives you coverage. It's just the penalty. I'd still be on the hook for the full bill from the healthcare provider.

I agree that Obama is very overrated when it comes to mental acuity and strategy. He thought he was slick. Congress is a lot slicker.
11/21/13 9:18 AM
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Spazzo - Single payer would have been much better than Obamacare. But it would never have gone anywhere in congress, unfortunately. Phone Post 3.0

Congress really doesn't get as much blame as they should for a lot of shit that goes wrong. I guess that is what being the president is about. You take the blunt of everything. Kinda like how a coach will get fired because the players are playing shitty lol.

Oh, don't worry, POTUS is doing his best to let us know who is truly responsible for this monstrosity. The Republicans who wanted no part of it, didn't vote for it, and said it was a bad idea. LOL. /sarcasm
11/21/13 9:20 AM
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TSMontana - Had a decent health plan at a reasonable price through employer. Then a month ago, we were told that our premiums were going to go up 400% for the same coverage (healthy man in 30's, no dependents). Now, just before our enrollment period began, employer (relatively large company) decides not to offer any coverage starting in 2014. Got letter today telling us to go to healthcare.gov website for future health coverage.

Faced with dilemma to either attempt to enroll through that website (hell no...at least not now), try to find a private co-operative to enroll in that caters to freelancers in my profession (pay out the nose), or just thumb nose at the IRS and pray I don't get sick/injured. Couldn't imagine if I had a family how hard that choice would have to be. Hard enough without that complicating things.
This has me scared shitless. Our firm is only 6 people and we have group coverage. I basically pay for my own insurance through the firm and it's not cheap, but it is really good ($250 deductible, $2000 annual max). I looked on the healthcare.gov website for our state and I could find plans that cost about the same but they provided much less; could not find anything close to the same deductible and annual max. The lowest deductible I saw was $1k, and that plan cost about 50 percent more. Phone Post 3.0

I would be, too.
11/21/13 9:22 AM
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If the Democrats don't get rid of the ACA early next year they are going to get beaten during the mid-term elections in a brutal fashion.  I think they know this.  I don't think the ACA is long for this world.  


You have no idea what you are talking about, the Tea Party purge has already begun. Try following some elections. Yeesh.

...and I think that divide may be Dems saving grace. You don't get enough Republicans to turn out to vote, and enough Independents who still blame the GOP for gridlock in Congress, and GOP candidates don't get enough votes to win, or keep office.
11/21/13 9:24 AM
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Spazzo - Single payer would have been much better than Obamacare. But it would never have gone anywhere in congress, unfortunately. Phone Post 3.0

I agree, which is strange because most Americans have no problem with medicaid and social security.  


I think a certain generation (baby boomers) has no problem with it. Everyone else after them knows that they will only see a fraction of the benefits they pay in, if anything at all.
11/21/13 2:55 PM
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Spazzo - Seems you have more of a problem with a shitty employer than Obamacare. Phone Post 3.0

No, I completely blame Obamacare. Without it, I would still have the same coverage. I don't blame my company for doing what they did. They shouldn't have to help foot the bills of people that are not of their concern, just like I shouldn't.
You understand the old system does what you blame Obamacare for. Someone isn't insured, you pay their hospital bills. Phone Post 3.0
No the hospital writes it off as charity or sues the person who doesn't pay. It's not as if the hosp sends taxpayers a bill.

I worked in medical billing and they have lawyers on retainer. Don't pay, go to collections, get sued. Then they garnish you. That's how that works.

I am sorry op. Phone Post 3.0
When someone without insurance goes to the emergency room and can't pay who covers the cost? It costs money for a hospital to go after a patient for non-payment, as you probably know. Those costs have an affect on the cost of healthcare. Phone Post 3.0
11/21/13 2:58 PM
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Spazzo - Single payer would have been much better than Obamacare. But it would never have gone anywhere in congress, unfortunately. Phone Post 3.0

Congress really doesn't get as much blame as they should for a lot of shit that goes wrong. I guess that is what being the president is about. You take the blunt of everything. Kinda like how a coach will get fired because the players are playing shitty lol.
Agreed. Obama's fuck up is that he compromised before the discussion was started. Phone Post 3.0
11/21/13 3:11 PM
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Spazzo - Seems you have more of a problem with a shitty employer than Obamacare. Phone Post 3.0

No, I completely blame Obamacare. Without it, I would still have the same coverage. I don't blame my company for doing what they did. They shouldn't have to help foot the bills of people that are not of their concern, just like I shouldn't.
You understand the old system does what you blame Obamacare for. Someone isn't insured, you pay their hospital bills. Phone Post 3.0
No the hospital writes it off as charity or sues the person who doesn't pay. It's not as if the hosp sends taxpayers a bill.

I worked in medical billing and they have lawyers on retainer. Don't pay, go to collections, get sued. Then they garnish you. That's how that works.

I am sorry op. Phone Post 3.0
When someone without insurance goes to the emergency room and can't pay who covers the cost? It costs money for a hospital to go after a patient for non-payment, as you probably know. Those costs have an affect on the cost of healthcare. Phone Post 3.0

If there is one thing that was inevitable, is that the cost of healthcare was going to increase, no matter what. We have an aging top-heavy population that doesn't have nearly enough health-care providers to service them. Now, with a lot of health-care providers retiring in direct response to ACA, it's going to be 10x worse. Single payer wouldn't have been any better, in that facet.
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Update: my company now is offering a very minimal "preventative care" plan (my HR rep told me there was quite a backlash, when the rug got yanked out from its American workforce). Annual checkup and blood work, two "minor" office visits. That's it. No emergency care. Apparently it is enough to keep someone in compliance with the new law but basically costs the same as what I had before. They are looking to see if they can get their insurance partner to offer the non-ACA-compliant health plans again.

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