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12/30/13 12:16 AM
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This argument is fucking pointless! This fight is never gonna happen for five reasons

1. Cyborg 5/9 170 cuts to make 145 never Gona be 135
2. Ufc has no 145 weightclass
3. Ronda super popular, most ronda fans never even heard of cyborg or strikeforce
4. a catchweight super lose lose for ufc because that wouldn't change the fact that they don't have 145 women
5. Dana is not stupid cyborg easily wins that fight, plus ronda is ufc champ and mma is a zuffa ran monarchy so yea
12/30/13 12:18 AM
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JudoEd - How many people here really believe that given time and no 'roids, a 5'8" woman can't make 135 lbs? If Guyborg wants the belt, she will have to beat the champion at the champion's weight. I know they are not super healthy, but how much does an average 5'10" runway model weight? 110?

I would rather see Ronda fight Holly Holm. Phone Post 3.0

Being champion of 135 means nothing but that. This is about finding out who is the better fighter not who is the better fighter at 135. That's why ideally it'd be an open-weight fight where both come in as comfortable with their bodies before they fight.
Ya, unfortunately, there these things called athletic commissions and the idea of "open weight combat" doesn't really fit into their licensing process. Phone Post 3.0
12/30/13 12:19 AM
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Cyborg was champ at 145 before Ronda was a champion.
Ronda had two choices; 1- Fight a huge, roided out, male looking Cyborg for a belt...or 2- Fight a similar sized, natural looking female Tate.
She made the right choice as evident by her Strikeforce title, UFC title, and overall popularity.
Fact: If Cyborg really wants Rousey, she needs to get back into the UFC, and drop to 135. Phone Post 3.0
12/30/13 12:34 AM
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the ufc offered to pay for dolce to get cyborg to 135,they also offered her a zuffa contract with all the perks and also fight in invicta whilst they sort shit out.. Tito declined it.

 

Thats, right.. they offered her a UFC contract whilst fighting outside of the UFC, amazing and imagine turning that down especially with insurance. Tito is dumb, fair play.


you're leaving out under doctor's advice that it'd be too dangerous for her to cut to 135.

There is nothing special about being 135 pounds. Ronda needs to fight a catchweight with Cyborg or she will rightly be followed with thoughts of her ducking that fight. It's absurd that 20 pounds is going to block a fight between the supposed two most dominant female fighters alive
Just like everyone thinks less of GSP because he ducked Silva by not gaining weight to fight a different division..?

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12/30/13 12:36 AM
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JerodR - Cyborg wins by power NOT technique. Ronda's grappling and ground game are so far beyond Cyborg. A slimmed down Cyborg at 135lbs has little to no chance against Rousey and she knows it. A punchers chance is about it. It isn't about a weight cut, it is about not losing the one tool she has to win-power.

In terms of female PFP can you imagine Ronda with Cyborgs muscle mass? Cyborg would get destroyed. That is because Ronda has much better technique. Ronda PFP is better than Cyborg.

It amazes me that after all of these years people still get sucked in to the idea of the person with the biggest muscles wins. Phone Post 3.0

Sorry try again, you wanna talk technique ronda striking fucking sucks and she not that good at defending takedowns her self, when she faught carmouche she never was able to throw her you realy think she can come and get cyborg down? I love ronda but cyborg throws are better judo or no judo. And I love how you tryna talk technique but inply cyborg ground technique sucks or something?
You people opinion are bias and not realistic at all.
12/30/13 12:38 AM
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the ufc offered to pay for dolce to get cyborg to 135,they also offered her a zuffa contract with all the perks and also fight in invicta whilst they sort shit out.. Tito declined it.

 

Thats, right.. they offered her a UFC contract whilst fighting outside of the UFC, amazing and imagine turning that down especially with insurance. Tito is dumb, fair play.


you're leaving out under doctor's advice that it'd be too dangerous for her to cut to 135.

There is nothing special about being 135 pounds. Ronda needs to fight a catchweight with Cyborg or she will rightly be followed with thoughts of her ducking that fight. It's absurd that 20 pounds is going to block a fight between the supposed two most dominant female fighters alive
Just like everyone thinks less of GSP because he ducked Silva by not gaining weight to fight a different division..?

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Except Rousey started out at 145 and ran to 135 when the pressure was on to fight Cyborg.
12/30/13 12:48 AM
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The Cyborg camp took that medical advice about a FAST weight-cut being unsafe and ran with it. I think they conveniently avoided the aspect that Cyborg could SLOWLY lose her muscle mass to safely drop weight. Basically anyone that has added muscle mass can also lose that muscle mass. It's not like she was skin and bones.

Cyborg does not want to lose her size and strength advantage. Perhaps if she did, Gina would not have been overwhelmed at the end and Ronda would be able to walk through her punches to clinch and throw.

This isn't about being on steroids either. Ronda could be on something, and Miesha's bf was accused of selling steroids by Michelle Ould...
12/30/13 1:05 AM
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Fudge Cake - The Cyborg camp took that medical advice about a FAST weight-cut being unsafe and ran with it. I think they conveniently avoided the aspect that Cyborg could SLOWLY lose her muscle mass to safely drop weight. Basically anyone that has added muscle mass can also lose that muscle mass. It's not like she was skin and bones.

Cyborg does not want to lose her size and strength advantage. Perhaps if she did, Gina would not have been overwhelmed at the end and Ronda would be able to walk through her punches to clinch and throw.

This isn't about being on steroids either. Ronda could be on something, and Miesha's bf was accused of selling steroids by Michelle Ould...

Realy she don't want to lose mucle mass and a strength advantage? Lol your a joke have you ever seen cyborg fight or train or who she trains with, you realy think cyborg gives a fuck about who stronger or bigger lol. Man what's with these fucking conspiracy theories!

Gina carano fucking sucked she was a half ass brawler who ran into someone with better striking, end of story end of her career.
12/30/13 1:11 AM
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JerodR - Cyborg wins by power NOT technique. Ronda's grappling and ground game are so far beyond Cyborg. A slimmed down Cyborg at 135lbs has little to no chance against Rousey and she knows it. A punchers chance is about it. It isn't about a weight cut, it is about not losing the one tool she has to win-power.

In terms of female PFP can you imagine Ronda with Cyborgs muscle mass? Cyborg would get destroyed. That is because Ronda has much better technique. Ronda PFP is better than Cyborg.

It amazes me that after all of these years people still get sucked in to the idea of the person with the biggest muscles wins. Phone Post 3.0

Sorry try again, you wanna talk technique ronda striking fucking sucks and she not that good at defending takedowns her self, when she faught carmouche she never was able to throw her you realy think she can come and get cyborg down? I love ronda but cyborg throws are better judo or no judo. And I love how you tryna talk technique but inply cyborg ground technique sucks or something?
You people opinion are bias and not realistic at all.
Everything u said was discredited at "cyborgs throws are better judo or no judo"

What the fuck are you smoking?

Ronda is an Olympic judo medalist. There needs to be an intelligence test given before people are allowed to post. Phone Post 3.0
12/30/13 1:17 AM
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I'm coming too!

 

HAHAHA Phone Post 3.0
12/30/13 1:28 AM
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JerodR - Cyborg wins by power NOT technique. Ronda's grappling and ground game are so far beyond Cyborg. A slimmed down Cyborg at 135lbs has little to no chance against Rousey and she knows it. A punchers chance is about it. It isn't about a weight cut, it is about not losing the one tool she has to win-power.

In terms of female PFP can you imagine Ronda with Cyborgs muscle mass? Cyborg would get destroyed. That is because Ronda has much better technique. Ronda PFP is better than Cyborg.

It amazes me that after all of these years people still get sucked in to the idea of the person with the biggest muscles wins. Phone Post 3.0

Sorry try again, you wanna talk technique ronda striking fucking sucks and she not that good at defending takedowns her self, when she faught carmouche she never was able to throw her you realy think she can come and get cyborg down? I love ronda but cyborg throws are better judo or no judo. And I love how you tryna talk technique but inply cyborg ground technique sucks or something?
You people opinion are bias and not realistic at all.
Cyborg showed so much skill when Gima took her down multiple times, mounted her, and even had a sub. You don't think Rousey could take her down? Talk about delusional.

Straight up boxing obviously Cyborg beats Rousey. However grappling and ground Rousey outclasses Cyborg. Every fight Cyborg clinches with her opponents and she can't so that with Ronda. Sorry but it is what it is.

Cyborg is the one that got popped.
Cyborg is the one that can't make weight.
Cyborg is the one that asked to be let out of her UFC contract.
Cyborg knows exactly where to find Ronda but she is the one avoiding it because she insists on having the muscle of a man rather than trim down a bit to prove she can beat Ronda.

Maybe Cyborg wins and maybe she doesn't. The fact if Cyborg wants to make a challenge then she knows how to do it. That sure as hell isn't going up a weight class and continuing to bull up. Phone Post 3.0
12/30/13 1:29 AM
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Fudge Cake - The Cyborg camp took that medical advice about a FAST weight-cut being unsafe and ran with it. I think they conveniently avoided the aspect that Cyborg could SLOWLY lose her muscle mass to safely drop weight. Basically anyone that has added muscle mass can also lose that muscle mass. It's not like she was skin and bones.

Cyborg does not want to lose her size and strength advantage. Perhaps if she did, Gina would not have been overwhelmed at the end and Ronda would be able to walk through her punches to clinch and throw.

This isn't about being on steroids either. Ronda could be on something, and Miesha's bf was accused of selling steroids by Michelle Ould...

Realy she don't want to lose mucle mass and a strength advantage? Lol your a joke have you ever seen cyborg fight or train or who she trains with, you realy think cyborg gives a fuck about who stronger or bigger lol. Man what's with these fucking conspiracy theories!

Gina carano fucking sucked she was a half ass brawler who ran into someone with better striking, end of story end of her career.
She sucked so bad that she took Cyborg down multiple times have up a full mount and got out in a sub. Tell me more. Phone Post 3.0
12/30/13 1:40 AM
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12/30/13 1:40 AM
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JerodR - Cyborg wins by power NOT technique. Ronda's grappling and ground game are so far beyond Cyborg. A slimmed down Cyborg at 135lbs has little to no chance against Rousey and she knows it. A punchers chance is about it. It isn't about a weight cut, it is about not losing the one tool she has to win-power.

In terms of female PFP can you imagine Ronda with Cyborgs muscle mass? Cyborg would get destroyed. That is because Ronda has much better technique. Ronda PFP is better than Cyborg.

It amazes me that after all of these years people still get sucked in to the idea of the person with the biggest muscles wins. Phone Post 3.0

Sorry try again, you wanna talk technique ronda striking fucking sucks and she not that good at defending takedowns her self, when she faught carmouche she never was able to throw her you realy think she can come and get cyborg down? I love ronda but cyborg throws are better judo or no judo. And I love how you tryna talk technique but inply cyborg ground technique sucks or something?
You people opinion are bias and not realistic at all.
Everything u said was discredited at "cyborgs throws are better judo or no judo"

What the fuck are you smoking?

Ronda is an Olympic judo medalist. There needs to be an intelligence test given before people are allowed to post. Phone Post 3.0

Ronda is a judo bronze medalist, but this is mma not judo, I go by what I see but I will admit that's my personal opinion, but by your logic Fitch shoulda been a take down machine against gsp because he's a AA wrestler and gsp has no wrestling background but that didn't happen did it? Ronda has a good armbar but like I said I don't think her throws are any better than cyborgs judo medalist or not.
12/30/13 1:46 AM
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Fudge Cake - The Cyborg camp took that medical advice about a FAST weight-cut being unsafe and ran with it. I think they conveniently avoided the aspect that Cyborg could SLOWLY lose her muscle mass to safely drop weight. Basically anyone that has added muscle mass can also lose that muscle mass. It's not like she was skin and bones.

Cyborg does not want to lose her size and strength advantage. Perhaps if she did, Gina would not have been overwhelmed at the end and Ronda would be able to walk through her punches to clinch and throw.

This isn't about being on steroids either. Ronda could be on something, and Miesha's bf was accused of selling steroids by Michelle Ould...

Realy she don't want to lose mucle mass and a strength advantage? Lol your a joke have you ever seen cyborg fight or train or who she trains with, you realy think cyborg gives a fuck about who stronger or bigger lol. Man what's with these fucking conspiracy theories!

Gina carano fucking sucked she was a half ass brawler who ran into someone with better striking, end of story end of her career.
She sucked so bad that she took Cyborg down multiple times have up a full mount and got out in a sub. Tell me more. Phone Post 3.0

What fucking fight was you watching? Took her down multiple times? The fight went to the ground like once and cyborg was the one who tried to throw Gina and got reversed and mounted for like 30 seconds. So tell me more about Gina mma career.
12/30/13 1:55 AM
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JerodR - Cyborg wins by power NOT technique. Ronda's grappling and ground game are so far beyond Cyborg. A slimmed down Cyborg at 135lbs has little to no chance against Rousey and she knows it. A punchers chance is about it. It isn't about a weight cut, it is about not losing the one tool she has to win-power.

In terms of female PFP can you imagine Ronda with Cyborgs muscle mass? Cyborg would get destroyed. That is because Ronda has much better technique. Ronda PFP is better than Cyborg.

It amazes me that after all of these years people still get sucked in to the idea of the person with the biggest muscles wins. Phone Post 3.0

Sorry try again, you wanna talk technique ronda striking fucking sucks and she not that good at defending takedowns her self, when she faught carmouche she never was able to throw her you realy think she can come and get cyborg down? I love ronda but cyborg throws are better judo or no judo. And I love how you tryna talk technique but inply cyborg ground technique sucks or something?
You people opinion are bias and not realistic at all.
Cyborg showed so much skill when Gima took her down multiple times, mounted her, and even had a sub. You don't think Rousey could take her down? Talk about delusional.

Straight up boxing obviously Cyborg beats Rousey. However grappling and ground Rousey outclasses Cyborg. Every fight Cyborg clinches with her opponents and she can't so that with Ronda. Sorry but it is what it is.

Cyborg is the one that got popped.
Cyborg is the one that can't make weight.
Cyborg is the one that asked to be let out of her UFC contract.
Cyborg knows exactly where to find Ronda but she is the one avoiding it because she insists on having the muscle of a man rather than trim down a bit to prove she can beat Ronda.

Maybe Cyborg wins and maybe she doesn't. The fact if Cyborg wants to make a challenge then she knows how to do it. That sure as hell isn't going up a weight class and continuing to bull up. Phone Post 3.0

So tell me how them great judo throws work agains carmouche? Oh weight the didn't work at all, look I'm not tryna bash ya girl playboy but ronda not all that and I never said that they should even fight each other there in different weightclasses and one weightclasses is not in the ufc.
12/30/13 1:56 AM
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Fucking phone!
12/30/13 2:12 AM
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Fudge Cake - The Cyborg camp took that medical advice about a FAST weight-cut being unsafe and ran with it. I think they conveniently avoided the aspect that Cyborg could SLOWLY lose her muscle mass to safely drop weight. Basically anyone that has added muscle mass can also lose that muscle mass. It's not like she was skin and bones.

Cyborg does not want to lose her size and strength advantage. Perhaps if she did, Gina would not have been overwhelmed at the end and Ronda would be able to walk through her punches to clinch and throw.

This isn't about being on steroids either. Ronda could be on something, and Miesha's bf was accused of selling steroids by Michelle Ould...

Realy she don't want to lose mucle mass and a strength advantage? Lol your a joke have you ever seen cyborg fight or train or who she trains with, you realy think cyborg gives a fuck about who stronger or bigger lol. Man what's with these fucking conspiracy theories!

Gina carano fucking sucked she was a half ass brawler who ran into someone with better striking, end of story end of her career.
She sucked so bad that she took Cyborg down multiple times have up a full mount and got out in a sub. Tell me more. Phone Post 3.0

What fucking fight was you watching? Took her down multiple times? The fight went to the ground like once and cyborg was the one who tried to throw Gina and got reversed and mounted for like 30 seconds. So tell me more about Gina mma career.
Just watched it again and It went to the ground twice. Both times Gina ended up on top. I just can't believe that someone who has won just about everything in Judo including an Olympic medal could not take Cyborg to the ground.

Agree to disagree I guess. I still say win or lose Cyborg goes for a ride. Phone Post 3.0
12/30/13 2:13 AM
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Brandonbrazell - Fucking phone!
Finally something we agree on! lol Phone Post 3.0
12/30/13 3:14 AM
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She barely out grappled Gina. She had a puncher's chance but I'm now more sure of Ronda's ability to take a punch so Cyborg has no chance.
12/31/13 2:03 AM
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How could Cyborg be scared when it's Ronda and Dana who are the ones trying to get her to cut down to unhealthy levels? If Ronda wanted this fight tomorrow all she'd have to do is tell Dana she wants it @ 145 and put her foot down but she doesn't.

That's why many consider Cyborg to be the true wmma "p4p" champion until Ronda beats her but it seems the UFC and Ronda don't want to take that chance.
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the ufc offered to pay for dolce to get cyborg to 135,they also offered her a zuffa contract with all the perks and also fight in invicta whilst they sort shit out.. Tito declined it.

 

Thats, right.. they offered her a UFC contract whilst fighting outside of the UFC, amazing and imagine turning that down especially with insurance. Tito is dumb, fair play.


you're leaving out under doctor's advice that it'd be too dangerous for her to cut to 135.

There is nothing special about being 135 pounds. Ronda needs to fight a catchweight with Cyborg or she will rightly be followed with thoughts of her ducking that fight. It's absurd that 20 pounds is going to block a fight between the supposed two most dominant female fighters alive
Just like everyone thinks less of GSP because he ducked Silva by not gaining weight to fight a different division..?

Gheeey Phone Post 3.0

Except Rousey started out at 145 and ran to 135 when the pressure was on to fight Cyborg.
A fair point.

But cyroid had the chance to fight Ronda and effed it up in every way possible.

Personally I'd love to see the fight happen, but I'm not holding my breath.

I also think it's pretty weak to call out a champ but then expect them to come to you.
You want a UFC belt, they don't have one at 145. You want to fight Rousey, then you have to be in the UFC at 135...
There could be an element of getting away from fighting guyborg, but who wouldn't leave Strikeforce for the UFC when they are willing to essentially create a division for you? More money, more exposure, better future.
Nah.. I'd rather stay with a JV promotion so I can fight against the only decent fighter they have who happens to be juiced to the gills... If you want to call that ducking, feel free Phone Post 3.0
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BertR - How could Cyborg be scared when it's Ronda and Dana who are the ones trying to get her to cut down to unhealthy levels? If Ronda wanted this fight tomorrow all she'd have to do is tell Dana she wants it @ 145 and put her foot down but she doesn't.

That's why many consider Cyborg to be the true wmma "p4p" champion until Ronda beats her but it seems the UFC and Ronda don't want to take that chance.
Last time I checked there wasn't a 145 Women's division in the UFC. hmmmmm


LOL @ unhealthy weight cut. She had her chance. Next....... Phone Post 3.0
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the ufc offered to pay for dolce to get cyborg to 135,they also offered her a zuffa contract with all the perks and also fight in invicta whilst they sort shit out.. Tito declined it.

 

Thats, right.. they offered her a UFC contract whilst fighting outside of the UFC, amazing and imagine turning that down especially with insurance. Tito is dumb, fair play.


you're leaving out under doctor's advice that it'd be too dangerous for her to cut to 135.

There is nothing special about being 135 pounds. Ronda needs to fight a catchweight with Cyborg or she will rightly be followed with thoughts of her ducking that fight. It's absurd that 20 pounds is going to block a fight between the supposed two most dominant female fighters alive
Just like everyone thinks less of GSP because he ducked Silva by not gaining weight to fight a different division..?

Gheeey Phone Post 3.0

Except Rousey started out at 145 and ran to 135 when the pressure was on to fight Cyborg.
A fair point.

But cyroid had the chance to fight Ronda and effed it up in every way possible.

Personally I'd love to see the fight happen, but I'm not holding my breath.

I also think it's pretty weak to call out a champ but then expect them to come to you.
You want a UFC belt, they don't have one at 145. You want to fight Rousey, then you have to be in the UFC at 135...
There could be an element of getting away from fighting guyborg, but who wouldn't leave Strikeforce for the UFC when they are willing to essentially create a division for you? More money, more exposure, better future.
Nah.. I'd rather stay with a JV promotion so I can fight against the only decent fighter they have who happens to be juiced to the gills... If you want to call that ducking, feel free Phone Post 3.0
Just seen this.

This pretty much sums it up.

Honda is on the top of the mountain, if you want her, come get her! Phone Post 3.0
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BertR - How could Cyborg be scared when it's Ronda and Dana who are the ones trying to get her to cut down to unhealthy levels? If Ronda wanted this fight tomorrow all she'd have to do is tell Dana she wants it @ 145 and put her foot down but she doesn't.

That's why many consider Cyborg to be the true wmma "p4p" champion until Ronda beats her but it seems the UFC and Ronda don't want to take that chance.
I don't think you understand what 'pound for pound' means.

No one needs to gain or lose weight in a pound for pound ranking, hence the name. Phone Post 3.0

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