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12/29/13 6:35 PM
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Mustard Tiger - It won't happen until Cyborg drops Tito as a manager.

The UFC was going to pick up the tab for her Invicta fights and the services of Dolce to ensure a healthy cut to 135. Tito's counter offer? Release her from her Strikeforce (UFC) contract.

So now she's still fighting for Invicta, no Dulce, and no connection with the UFC.

Tito Ortiz deserves respect for his accomplishments in the cage, but as far as his business decisions; Tito is about as smart as a bag of hammers.
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12/29/13 6:36 PM
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BoxingIsDead - Move up five, move down five, its not hard to cut the difference. Zuffa doesn't want to make the fight, end of story. Ronda can continue to fight cans.

Cans?
She is beating top 10 girls in her weight class.
She as McMann and Zingano next. Then Davis if she keeps winning. In 2014 she will have Holm and Murphy, all top talent. Your lack of MMA knowledge shows when you call them cans.

Your lack of common sense is appalling. Ronda will wipe the floor with anyone in her division. At minimum, Rousey is more than a five to one favorite gainst any female on Zuffa's current roster. Do you understand? There is one female fight that matters, Cyborg/Rousey and it's what the fans want to see.

So by this logic then all of Silvas opponents the past few years were cans because he was a big favorite over them. She is fighting the best in the world at her weight class. I don't think you understand what the term can means, lol.
12/29/13 6:44 PM
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I honestly think Ronda is the most Alpha girl out there. She must have some crazy ass amounts of natural test.
12/29/13 6:50 PM
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BertR - This isn't complicated. Cyborg and Ronda are supposedly the two best female fighters in mma and there is a 20 pound difference between the two. Split the difference in a catchweight at 145 and have them fight it out.

If Ronda continues to win at 135 in the UFC all that means is she's the champion of the UFC 135 pound division. Not the best female fighter and not better than Cyborg. There is nothing special about staying at 135 pounds except it allows Dana to protect her since Cyborg isn't medically advised to cut to that weight. Until she fights Cyborg she will continue to be looked at as ducking her. At least Gina got in the cage with her knowing she was probably going to take the loss and she did.

I am a fan of Ronda. She get's a lot of hate because of her personality but im not put off by it and i admire what she's doing for female mma. At the same time, it's disingenuous for the UFC to make her out to be the best female fighter in the world when she hasn't faced Cyborg.

Ronda fights at 135, Cyborg at 145
How is splitting the difference make it 145?

Truth is Cyborg could make 135 and she won't do it. UFC agreed to pay Dolce to help her but she won't even try because she believes the muscles are what makes her the fighter she is and scared to lose them. Sadly for her, UFC isn't going to budge and she will have to move to 135.

Right now Rousey has McMann, then Zingano.
Also got Davis after that.
Not to mention Holm and Murphy who could be in UFC next year so if Cyborgs plan was to wait till there was no match ups for Ronda then she failed and will continue to make a fraction of what she could in the UFC.

I thought cyborg is fighting at 155 her next fight

http://fansided.com/2013/07/22/cris-cyborg-is-moving-up-a-weight-class-for-next-invicta-fc-bout/


She got medical advice from a doctor telling her to avoid cutting to 135 so why would she listen to Dolce who found a marketing niche by converting himself from an mma fighter into a diet guru. More power to him but he's not a doctor and has no idea about the consequences of her dropping to the weight like her doctor does who advised her against doing it.

Regardless, as i said above until Ronda faces Cyborg she will be rightly looked at as ducking her. Cyborg beat Gina and hasn't lost a fight since then and there is only a 20 pound weight difference between the two, so if the UFC want's to block a catchweight fight from happening that's their choice but they will be rightly criticized for doing so since they're protecting Ronda from fight the fight she needs to have to legitimize herself as the undisputed best female fighter in the world.

LMFAO, so I guess by this logic if Cyborg goes to 195 for her next fight it would only be fair for her to fight Ronda at 165 then.

As far as her Dr, everyone is in agreement that the Dr wrote the note after his/her client said she didn't want to go to 135. She can make 135 if she wanted too but won't even try. Refuses to see UFC Dr or let Dolce help her. She is ducking Ronda/UFC in hopes of getting more money down the road.

I think 90% of the people on the UG will agree Ronda is NOT ducking Cyborg, Cyborg is ducking her.

Catchweight makes NO SENSE for the UFC and won't happen.

Im not sure why you're being this unreasonable. The context of what im talking about is having them fight since they are renown for being the two best female fighters alive. There is only a 20lb weight difference but with Cyborg she doesn't have medical clearance to fight at 135. If Ronda wants to be considered better than Cyborg she needs to fight her and win but since Cyborg can't go down Ronda needs to move up to 145 for a catchweight fight so they can fight. Ronda can stay at 135 and the UFC can ignore Cyborg but the consequence is they will be rightly criticized for it and many will view Ronda as ducking Cyborg since she didn't move up 10 pounds to fight her.

12/29/13 7:03 PM
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Mustard Tiger - It won't happen until Cyborg drops Tito as a manager.

The UFC was going to pick up the tab for her Invicta fights and the services of Dolce to ensure a healthy cut to 135. Tito's counter offer? Release her from her Strikeforce (UFC) contract.

So now she's still fighting for Invicta, no Dulce, and no connection with the UFC.

Tito Ortiz deserves respect for his accomplishments in the cage, but as far as his business decisions; Tito is about as smart as a bag of hammers.

If the UFC has a vendetta against Tito and using that against Cyborg, the UFC should be criticized for playing politics at the expense of having the two best fighters female fighters fight.

It's nice that the UFC would pick up the tab for her Invicta fights which makes it all the more unfortunate she's not medically cleared to fight at 135. Dolce isn't a doctor so he has nothing to do with this because the issue isn't with losing weight since i'm sure Cyborg can cut weight. Because Dolce doesn't have the medical expertise to evaluate Cyborgs situation he wont be able to help her come up with a safe diet plan if a safe diet plan were even possible in Cyborgs case, which according to her doctor it isnt
12/29/13 7:07 PM
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What was made public was that SHE LEFT the UFC. So this discussion is about what exactly? Is she returning to the UFC?
All the rest is nonsense...
12/29/13 7:18 PM
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LardArseScaretyCat - What was made public was that SHE LEFT the UFC. So this discussion is about what exactly? Is she returning to the UFC?
All the rest is nonsense...

The context of her leaving the UFC though is she was medically advised to not fight at 135. Although she can't fight a 135 she can at 145 which is her cutting limit, so she can fight a catchweight fight with Ronda. The problem it seems is the UFC and Ronda don't want her to fight Cyborg at that weight so they're ignoring her despite Cyborg probably being the best female fighter on the planet while marketing Ronda as the best despite not fighting Cyborg. There wouldn't be a problem if the UFC and Ronda acknowledged that Cyborg is the best womans fighter on the planet but they don't do that, so they're being criticized.
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onebaldegg - You are right 2leftfeet. That's if she wants the UFC 135 belt. She has said on several occasions that she would fight RhonDuh at a catchweight just to see who is the better fighter. RhonDuh wants nothing to do with her. Why? Because RhonDuh has everything to lose and would lose. Cyborg can't make 135. That's why she went to an organization that did have a 145 class and won the belt there. She has a belt already. The real question that WE ALL want answered is "Who is the best female fighter in the world?" Right now according to ALL ranking (that are not UFC rankings and include fighters from all organizations) Cyborg is the higher ranked female fighter. In fact she is ranked #1. So your argument is silly because you could make a similar argument for Cyborg. Which is:

If RhonDuh wants to be the P4P women's #1 fighter, than step up and fight Cyborg at a weight that is makable for both. It's that simple.

See how that works 2leftfeet?

i can't find any p4p rankings that have guyborg #1 besides one that has not been updated since october.

 

http://espn.go.com/mma/rankings/_/class/womens-pound-for-pound

http://www.mmarising.com/rankings/womens-pound-for-pound-top-15/

http://www.tapology.com/rankings/33-current-best-pound-for-pound-female-mma-fighters

http://www.fightmatrix.com/mma-ranks/womens-pound-for-pound/


Here are a few for you. I agree with you that many sites have RhonDuh and Cyborg neck and neck.

http://www.mmaweekly.com/womens-pound-for-pound-mma-top-10

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mma-top-10-rankings-jessica-181838248--mma.html


It's just a shame we may never get this fight to happen. When this is the real women's fight that the fans want to see. I see the strengths breaking down like this. Anybody else see this play out differently?

Striking advantage: Cyborg. We have seen Cris maul fighters before. I am not sure that RhonDuh could weather the storm. Rousey's standup looked average at best against Tate at UFC168.

Grappling advantage: May have to go with RhonDuh on this one, because this is her bread and butter. Is Cyborg a black belt? I am not sure.







right thats the one from october i was talking about. (both links are the same mma weekly rankings).

So you need to ammend your "Right now according to ALL ranking (that are not UFC rankings and include fighters from all organizations) Cyborg is the higher ranked female fighter. In fact she is ranked #1." Statement to the more accurate "Right now according to NO ranking (that are not UFC rankings and include fighters from all organizations) Cyborg is the higher ranked female fighter. In fact she is ranked #2."

The fight is there waiting for her. all she has to do is put down the needle and make weight.

12/29/13 7:36 PM
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BertR - This isn't complicated. Cyborg and Ronda are supposedly the two best female fighters in mma and there is a 20 pound difference between the two. Split the difference in a catchweight at 145 and have them fight it out.

If Ronda continues to win at 135 in the UFC all that means is she's the champion of the UFC 135 pound division. Not the best female fighter and not better than Cyborg. There is nothing special about staying at 135 pounds except it allows Dana to protect her since Cyborg isn't medically advised to cut to that weight. Until she fights Cyborg she will continue to be looked at as ducking her. At least Gina got in the cage with her knowing she was probably going to take the loss and she did.

I am a fan of Ronda. She get's a lot of hate because of her personality but im not put off by it and i admire what she's doing for female mma. At the same time, it's disingenuous for the UFC to make her out to be the best female fighter in the world when she hasn't faced Cyborg.

Ronda fights at 135, Cyborg at 145
How is splitting the difference make it 145?

Truth is Cyborg could make 135 and she won't do it. UFC agreed to pay Dolce to help her but she won't even try because she believes the muscles are what makes her the fighter she is and scared to lose them. Sadly for her, UFC isn't going to budge and she will have to move to 135.

Right now Rousey has McMann, then Zingano.
Also got Davis after that.
Not to mention Holm and Murphy who could be in UFC next year so if Cyborgs plan was to wait till there was no match ups for Ronda then she failed and will continue to make a fraction of what she could in the UFC.

I thought cyborg is fighting at 155 her next fight

http://fansided.com/2013/07/22/cris-cyborg-is-moving-up-a-weight-class-for-next-invicta-fc-bout/


She got medical advice from a doctor telling her to avoid cutting to 135 so why would she listen to Dolce who found a marketing niche by converting himself from an mma fighter into a diet guru. More power to him but he's not a doctor and has no idea about the consequences of her dropping to the weight like her doctor does who advised her against doing it.

Regardless, as i said above until Ronda faces Cyborg she will be rightly looked at as ducking her. Cyborg beat Gina and hasn't lost a fight since then and there is only a 20 pound weight difference between the two, so if the UFC want's to block a catchweight fight from happening that's their choice but they will be rightly criticized for doing so since they're protecting Ronda from fight the fight she needs to have to legitimize herself as the undisputed best female fighter in the world.

LMFAO, so I guess by this logic if Cyborg goes to 195 for her next fight it would only be fair for her to fight Ronda at 165 then.

As far as her Dr, everyone is in agreement that the Dr wrote the note after his/her client said she didn't want to go to 135. She can make 135 if she wanted too but won't even try. Refuses to see UFC Dr or let Dolce help her. She is ducking Ronda/UFC in hopes of getting more money down the road.

I think 90% of the people on the UG will agree Ronda is NOT ducking Cyborg, Cyborg is ducking her.

Catchweight makes NO SENSE for the UFC and won't happen.

Im not sure why you're being this unreasonable. The context of what im talking about is having them fight since they are renown for being the two best female fighters alive. There is only a 20lb weight difference but with Cyborg she doesn't have medical clearance to fight at 135. If Ronda wants to be considered better than Cyborg she needs to fight her and win but since Cyborg can't go down Ronda needs to move up to 145 for a catchweight fight so they can fight. Ronda can stay at 135 and the UFC can ignore Cyborg but the consequence is they will be rightly criticized for it and many will view Ronda as ducking Cyborg since she didn't move up 10 pounds to fight her.


It's not a 20lb difference, it's 10lbs.
Also, she TURNED DOWN the chance to be in the UFC and have the UFC have it's medical team and Dolce work with her to get to 135. The fact that you actually believe her Dr. is laughable. That was a way for her camp to save face and try to force Ronda to 145 where Cyborg would have the advantage. Now that it's not working she will go to 155 and hope they can meet in the middle at 145. Dana isn't stupid and knows Cyborg CAN MAKE 135 if she changed her diet but she refuses. It's not on the UFC to make the fight, it's on Cyborg to drop to 135 and fight Ronda. If she wants the fight, lose the weight, not that hard to do.
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LardArseScaretyCat - What was made public was that SHE LEFT the UFC. So this discussion is about what exactly? Is she returning to the UFC?
All the rest is nonsense...

The context of her leaving the UFC though is she was medically advised to not fight at 135. Although she can't fight a 135 she can at 145 which is her cutting limit, so she can fight a catchweight fight with Ronda. The problem it seems is the UFC and Ronda don't want her to fight Cyborg at that weight so they're ignoring her despite Cyborg probably being the best female fighter on the planet while marketing Ronda as the best despite not fighting Cyborg. There wouldn't be a problem if the UFC and Ronda acknowledged that Cyborg is the best womans fighter on the planet but they don't do that, so they're being criticized.

Ok. So Weidman is ducking Jones who in turn is ducking Cain? Is that the logic? They can all fight a class above. Why don't they? Cyborg is meaningless for the UFC unless she makes 135.

Cyborg got Tito as a manager - clearly someone that can help getting some goodwill out of the people in the UFC. I wonder, who is ducking who...?
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LardArseScaretyCat - What was made public was that SHE LEFT the UFC. So this discussion is about what exactly? Is she returning to the UFC?
All the rest is nonsense...

The context of her leaving the UFC though is she was medically advised to not fight at 135. Although she can't fight a 135 she can at 145 which is her cutting limit, so she can fight a catchweight fight with Ronda. The problem it seems is the UFC and Ronda don't want her to fight Cyborg at that weight so they're ignoring her despite Cyborg probably being the best female fighter on the planet while marketing Ronda as the best despite not fighting Cyborg. There wouldn't be a problem if the UFC and Ronda acknowledged that Cyborg is the best womans fighter on the planet but they don't do that, so they're being criticized.

I don't know if you are trolling, misinformed or delusional.

You do know UFC offered to honor her contract from Strikeforce and let have those fights in Invicta at 145. While she was under contract she would of had insurance and been able to work with the UFC medical team and Dolce to see if she can make 135. She refused that contract because she wants more money.
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LardArseScaretyCat - What was made public was that SHE LEFT the UFC. So this discussion is about what exactly? Is she returning to the UFC?
All the rest is nonsense...

The context of her leaving the UFC though is she was medically advised to not fight at 135. Although she can't fight a 135 she can at 145 which is her cutting limit, so she can fight a catchweight fight with Ronda. The problem it seems is the UFC and Ronda don't want her to fight Cyborg at that weight so they're ignoring her despite Cyborg probably being the best female fighter on the planet while marketing Ronda as the best despite not fighting Cyborg. There wouldn't be a problem if the UFC and Ronda acknowledged that Cyborg is the best womans fighter on the planet but they don't do that, so they're being criticized.

I don't know if you are trolling, misinformed or delusional.

You do know UFC offered to honor her contract from Strikeforce and let have those fights in Invicta at 145. While she was under contract she would of had insurance and been able to work with the UFC medical team and Dolce to see if she can make 135. She refused that contract because she wants more money.

And the whole thing where she refused to work with Dolce, because if she had, then she wouldn't be able to hide behind the excuse that she can't make the weight.

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BertR - This isn't complicated. Cyborg and Ronda are supposedly the two best female fighters in mma and there is a 20 pound difference between the two. Split the difference in a catchweight at 145 and have them fight it out.

If Ronda continues to win at 135 in the UFC all that means is she's the champion of the UFC 135 pound division. Not the best female fighter and not better than Cyborg. There is nothing special about staying at 135 pounds except it allows Dana to protect her since Cyborg isn't medically advised to cut to that weight. Until she fights Cyborg she will continue to be looked at as ducking her. At least Gina got in the cage with her knowing she was probably going to take the loss and she did.

I am a fan of Ronda. She get's a lot of hate because of her personality but im not put off by it and i admire what she's doing for female mma. At the same time, it's disingenuous for the UFC to make her out to be the best female fighter in the world when she hasn't faced Cyborg.

Ronda fights at 135, Cyborg at 145
How is splitting the difference make it 145?

Truth is Cyborg could make 135 and she won't do it. UFC agreed to pay Dolce to help her but she won't even try because she believes the muscles are what makes her the fighter she is and scared to lose them. Sadly for her, UFC isn't going to budge and she will have to move to 135.

Right now Rousey has McMann, then Zingano.
Also got Davis after that.
Not to mention Holm and Murphy who could be in UFC next year so if Cyborgs plan was to wait till there was no match ups for Ronda then she failed and will continue to make a fraction of what she could in the UFC.

I thought cyborg is fighting at 155 her next fight

http://fansided.com/2013/07/22/cris-cyborg-is-moving-up-a-weight-class-for-next-invicta-fc-bout/


She got medical advice from a doctor telling her to avoid cutting to 135 so why would she listen to Dolce who found a marketing niche by converting himself from an mma fighter into a diet guru. More power to him but he's not a doctor and has no idea about the consequences of her dropping to the weight like her doctor does who advised her against doing it.

Regardless, as i said above until Ronda faces Cyborg she will be rightly looked at as ducking her. Cyborg beat Gina and hasn't lost a fight since then and there is only a 20 pound weight difference between the two, so if the UFC want's to block a catchweight fight from happening that's their choice but they will be rightly criticized for doing so since they're protecting Ronda from fight the fight she needs to have to legitimize herself as the undisputed best female fighter in the world.

LMFAO, so I guess by this logic if Cyborg goes to 195 for her next fight it would only be fair for her to fight Ronda at 165 then.

As far as her Dr, everyone is in agreement that the Dr wrote the note after his/her client said she didn't want to go to 135. She can make 135 if she wanted too but won't even try. Refuses to see UFC Dr or let Dolce help her. She is ducking Ronda/UFC in hopes of getting more money down the road.

I think 90% of the people on the UG will agree Ronda is NOT ducking Cyborg, Cyborg is ducking her.

Catchweight makes NO SENSE for the UFC and won't happen.

Im not sure why you're being this unreasonable. The context of what im talking about is having them fight since they are renown for being the two best female fighters alive. There is only a 20lb weight difference but with Cyborg she doesn't have medical clearance to fight at 135. If Ronda wants to be considered better than Cyborg she needs to fight her and win but since Cyborg can't go down Ronda needs to move up to 145 for a catchweight fight so they can fight. Ronda can stay at 135 and the UFC can ignore Cyborg but the consequence is they will be rightly criticized for it and many will view Ronda as ducking Cyborg since she didn't move up 10 pounds to fight her.


It's not a 20lb difference, it's 10lbs.
Also, she TURNED DOWN the chance to be in the UFC and have the UFC have it's medical team and Dolce work with her to get to 135. The fact that you actually believe her Dr. is laughable. That was a way for her camp to save face and try to force Ronda to 145 where Cyborg would have the advantage. Now that it's not working she will go to 155 and hope they can meet in the middle at 145. Dana isn't stupid and knows Cyborg CAN MAKE 135 if she changed her diet but she refuses. It's not on the UFC to make the fight, it's on Cyborg to drop to 135 and fight Ronda. If she wants the fight, lose the weight, not that hard to do.

It doesn't matter if the UFC medical team and Dolce (who are both, btw, biased in favour of the agenda of the UFC) offered to work with her on it or not what matters is she has recieved medical advice by her own doctor on it being unsafe and has decided not to risk it. That doesn't delegitimatize anything i say about how it seems the UFC and Ronda are avoiding the fight. They are putting an artificial barrier up at 135lbs and blocking off who many consider to be the best female fighter on the planet despite having the power to put on a catchweight fight but choosing not to.

If Ronda can't beat Cyborg at 145 she deserves to not be viewed as the best female fighter on the planet. If moving up 10 pounds is too much of a hurdle for her to clear that says more about the nature of how she's exploiting the protection of her weight class. Look at Fedor who never cut and how he fought so many people who were larger and stronger than him but still won in a division which allowed a 60 pound difference. Ronda fighting at 145 and being unable to beat another fighter that fights at 145 says that she's a great 135 pounder but should only claim to be the best at 135 in the UFC promotion and not the best female fighter and not better than Cyborg.
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WMMA is above needing any single fighter or match happening. If Rhonda and cyborg don't fight, the world still turns. The ufc women's division will go on without cyborg, who chose to leave the organization. There is a good rising crop of wmma fighters and there will be no shortages of opponents in the future.

Rhonda will fight tough competition and become a household name, while cyborg will be remembered for being manly, popped for roids, and wasting an opportunity. Phone Post 3.0
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MRXC - If Cyborg can ever get to 135 (regardless of all these armchair MMA fans who yammer on about 'juicing' considering how many fighters have been popped for it, Cyborg is clearly not an outlier, so in reality, one instance of making a mistake, years ago, is really irrelevant today) she would give Ronda a serious fight.

Rousey was rocked more than once yesterday by Tate, who trows decent hands, but has no power and average coordination. Cyborg is the best stand-up fighter in WMMA and has rag dolled many Women on the feet.

Cyborg would be the stiffest test of Ronda's short career, that in reality has been filled with some cream puffs.

McMann could beat her, cause she will take her down and grind her, and Rousey was looking tired 3 minutes into round one yesterday.

Cat has stand-up that took Tate through the wood chipper. She could bop Ronda in the beak and take the belt.

All the easy fights, not to shit on Tate, but they were easy, are in the past now. Now Ronda has 3 straight fights of real Women who can match everything she does, save for the Judo. And Judo ain't everything. If it was Karo and Ishii would be world beaters.

Lack of credible competition doesn't make you the best, just the best at the time.

If Ronda beats McMann, Cat and Cyborg then I would consider her the GOAT in WMMA. At this point, despite her 'status' in the media, Marloes Coenen, Cyborg Justino & Tara LaRosa have accomplished more.

Ronda needs a Cyborg fight more than Cyborg needs Ronda in the annals of history, today.

I disagree Cyborg who has been popped for Roids should be considered in the GOAT when it comes to WMMA. I do believe if Ronda beats McMann and Zingano in 2014. Then Davis and possibly an undefeated Holm and L Murphy in 2015 she will go down as GOAT if she retired at that point regardless of if she fights Cyborg or not.
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Some parallels to Fedor's management and Cyborg's perhaps?

Not saying it's identical, but both potential bests not getting to fight in the big league at least partially bc of their management. Really unfortunate. Phone Post 3.0
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BertR - This isn't complicated. Cyborg and Ronda are supposedly the two best female fighters in mma and there is a 20 pound difference between the two. Split the difference in a catchweight at 145 and have them fight it out.

If Ronda continues to win at 135 in the UFC all that means is she's the champion of the UFC 135 pound division. Not the best female fighter and not better than Cyborg. There is nothing special about staying at 135 pounds except it allows Dana to protect her since Cyborg isn't medically advised to cut to that weight. Until she fights Cyborg she will continue to be looked at as ducking her. At least Gina got in the cage with her knowing she was probably going to take the loss and she did.

I am a fan of Ronda. She get's a lot of hate because of her personality but im not put off by it and i admire what she's doing for female mma. At the same time, it's disingenuous for the UFC to make her out to be the best female fighter in the world when she hasn't faced Cyborg.

Ronda fights at 135, Cyborg at 145
How is splitting the difference make it 145?

Truth is Cyborg could make 135 and she won't do it. UFC agreed to pay Dolce to help her but she won't even try because she believes the muscles are what makes her the fighter she is and scared to lose them. Sadly for her, UFC isn't going to budge and she will have to move to 135.

Right now Rousey has McMann, then Zingano.
Also got Davis after that.
Not to mention Holm and Murphy who could be in UFC next year so if Cyborgs plan was to wait till there was no match ups for Ronda then she failed and will continue to make a fraction of what she could in the UFC.

I thought cyborg is fighting at 155 her next fight

http://fansided.com/2013/07/22/cris-cyborg-is-moving-up-a-weight-class-for-next-invicta-fc-bout/


She got medical advice from a doctor telling her to avoid cutting to 135 so why would she listen to Dolce who found a marketing niche by converting himself from an mma fighter into a diet guru. More power to him but he's not a doctor and has no idea about the consequences of her dropping to the weight like her doctor does who advised her against doing it.

Regardless, as i said above until Ronda faces Cyborg she will be rightly looked at as ducking her. Cyborg beat Gina and hasn't lost a fight since then and there is only a 20 pound weight difference between the two, so if the UFC want's to block a catchweight fight from happening that's their choice but they will be rightly criticized for doing so since they're protecting Ronda from fight the fight she needs to have to legitimize herself as the undisputed best female fighter in the world.

LMFAO, so I guess by this logic if Cyborg goes to 195 for her next fight it would only be fair for her to fight Ronda at 165 then.

As far as her Dr, everyone is in agreement that the Dr wrote the note after his/her client said she didn't want to go to 135. She can make 135 if she wanted too but won't even try. Refuses to see UFC Dr or let Dolce help her. She is ducking Ronda/UFC in hopes of getting more money down the road.

I think 90% of the people on the UG will agree Ronda is NOT ducking Cyborg, Cyborg is ducking her.

Catchweight makes NO SENSE for the UFC and won't happen.

Im not sure why you're being this unreasonable. The context of what im talking about is having them fight since they are renown for being the two best female fighters alive. There is only a 20lb weight difference but with Cyborg she doesn't have medical clearance to fight at 135. If Ronda wants to be considered better than Cyborg she needs to fight her and win but since Cyborg can't go down Ronda needs to move up to 145 for a catchweight fight so they can fight. Ronda can stay at 135 and the UFC can ignore Cyborg but the consequence is they will be rightly criticized for it and many will view Ronda as ducking Cyborg since she didn't move up 10 pounds to fight her.


It's not a 20lb difference, it's 10lbs.
Also, she TURNED DOWN the chance to be in the UFC and have the UFC have it's medical team and Dolce work with her to get to 135. The fact that you actually believe her Dr. is laughable. That was a way for her camp to save face and try to force Ronda to 145 where Cyborg would have the advantage. Now that it's not working she will go to 155 and hope they can meet in the middle at 145. Dana isn't stupid and knows Cyborg CAN MAKE 135 if she changed her diet but she refuses. It's not on the UFC to make the fight, it's on Cyborg to drop to 135 and fight Ronda. If she wants the fight, lose the weight, not that hard to do.

It doesn't matter if the UFC medical team and Dolce (who are both, btw, biased in favour of the agenda of the UFC) offered to work with her on it or not what matters is she has recieved medical advice by her own doctor on it being unsafe and has decided not to risk it. That doesn't delegitimatize anything i say about how it seems the UFC and Ronda are avoiding the fight. They are putting an artificial barrier up at 135lbs and blocking off who many consider to be the best female fighter on the planet despite having the power to put on a catchweight fight but choosing not to.

If Ronda can't beat Cyborg at 145 she deserves to not be viewed as the best female fighter on the planet. If moving up 10 pounds is too much of a hurdle for her to clear that says more about the nature of how she's exploiting the protection of her weight class. Look at Fedor who never cut and how he fought so many people who were larger and stronger than him but still won in a division which allowed a 60 pound difference. Ronda fighting at 145 and being unable to beat another fighter that fights at 145 says that she's a great 135 pounder but should only claim to be the best at 135 in the UFC promotion and not the best female fighter and not better than Cyborg.

Let me get this right, UFC medical team and Dolce are biased to the UFC but you don't think her own Dr is biased towards her?

Please clarify that.

UFC is not trying to avoid the fight, they will make it at 135 and Cyborg refuses to see UFC Drs, let Dolce help her or even attempt to make 135.
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DiSmAnTLeR - WMMA is above needing any single fighter or match happening. If Rhonda and cyborg don't fight, the world still turns. The ufc women's division will go on without cyborg, who chose to leave the organization. There is a good rising crop of wmma fighters and there will be no shortages of opponents in the future.

Rhonda will fight tough competition and become a household name, while cyborg will be remembered for being manly, popped for roids, and wasting an opportunity. Phone Post 3.0

Exactly...

Cyborg can sit around and wait all she wants UFC can do the following 5 matchups for Ronda.

McMann
Zingano
Davis (A lot of people consider her 2nd best in the world at 135)
Holm (She will eventually come to the UFC)
L Murphy (undefeated champ for Invicta)

That takes us through 2015.

Cyborg needs the UFC the UFC DOES NOT need Cyborg because there are plenty of girls at 135 for Ronda to fight.
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"Let me get this right, UFC medical team and Dolce are biased to the UFC but you don't think her own Dr is biased towards her?

Please clarify that.

UFC is not trying to avoid the fight, they will make it at 135 and Cyborg refuses to see UFC Drs, let Dolce help her or even attempt to make 135."

had to cut off that quote chain. Getting too long.

I never said that her doctor wasn't possibly biased in favour of her. I don't know her doctor. What i do know is if she's looking out for her own best medical interests, she will probably be more responsive with the advice of someone whom she knows and believes to be more empathetic to her long-term health interests in relation to the effects of a weight cut on her and her potential to bear children than the company she wants to hire herself out to and be exploited so they can maximize their profits and brand growth. Her doctor doesn't have the same pressures and has most likely a better personal relationship with her to offer her less-politicized medical advice.

The UFC making the cut limit at 135 instead of putting on a catch-weight at 145 says they and Ronda are avoiding the fight. 135 or bust is an artificial limit that Cyborg hasn't been medically cleared to fight at. If they want to avoid the fight by allowing a catchweight, that's unfortunate but at the same time please don't go around claiming Ronda is the best female mma fighter when you're avoiding a fight with cyborg.

This is all simple but it's being made convoluted because the UFC is putting their business and marketing interests once again over allowing the best fighters fight, and they're not only doing that but also marketing Ronda as the best female fighter on the planet despite blocking her from fighting someone who many feel is a better fighter.
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Rhonda v Cyborg isn't fair....She's a man baby!!!
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You suggest pulling a champion from a division to accommodate a fighter that's not even in the organization. What if Cyborg wins then, what do you do with the rest of the 135, make them go to 145 to fight Cyborg for the 135 belt? Are you serious?!
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Any fight between Cyborg and Ronda will result in this.  Cyborg is the girl in the jean pants.


It didn't show Cyborg flying through the air though.

On a side note, damn that music is annoying, sounded like a whistle.
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LardArseScaretyCat - You suggest pulling a champion from a division to accommodate a fighter that's not even in the organization. What if Cyborg wins then, what do you do with the rest of the 135, make them go to 145 to fight Cyborg for the 135 belt? Are you serious?!

UG logic, lol
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LardArseScaretyCat - You suggest pulling a champion from a division to accommodate a fighter that's not even in the organization. What if Cyborg wins then, what do you do with the rest of the 135, make them go to 145 to fight Cyborg for the 135 belt? Are you serious?!

Ronda's not being pulled she can still be champion of the 135 pound division. What the fight with Cyborg will do is give clarity over who the best fighter in women's mma is since many consider them to be the two best in it and the UFC continues to make the claim that they're about having the best fighters fight. There wouldn't be an issue if they just marketed Ronda as the best 135lm wmma fighter in the UFC, but they don't do that they market Ronda as the best in the world despite Cyborg being out there and there only being a 20lb difference in weight classes (or 10 considering Cyborg has fought so far at 145 but is moving up to 155)
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BertR - "Let me get this right, UFC medical team and Dolce are biased to the UFC but you don't think her own Dr is biased towards her?

Please clarify that.

UFC is not trying to avoid the fight, they will make it at 135 and Cyborg refuses to see UFC Drs, let Dolce help her or even attempt to make 135."

had to cut off that quote chain. Getting too long.

I never said that her doctor wasn't possibly biased in favour of her. I don't know her doctor. What i do know is if she's looking out for her own best medical interests, she will probably be more responsive with the advice of someone whom she knows and believes to be more empathetic to her long-term health interests in relation to the effects of a weight cut on her and her potential to bear children than the company she wants to hire herself out to and be exploited so they can maximize their profits and brand growth. Her doctor doesn't have the same pressures and has most likely a better personal relationship with her to offer her less-politicized medical advice.

The UFC making the cut limit at 135 instead of putting on a catch-weight at 145 says they and Ronda are avoiding the fight. 135 or bust is an artificial limit that Cyborg hasn't been medically cleared to fight at. If they want to avoid the fight by allowing a catchweight, that's unfortunate but at the same time please don't go around claiming Ronda is the best female mma fighter when you're avoiding a fight with cyborg.

This is all simple but it's being made convoluted because the UFC is putting their business and marketing interests once again over allowing the best fighters fight, and they're not only doing that but also marketing Ronda as the best female fighter on the planet despite blocking her from fighting someone who many feel is a better fighter.

"What i do know is if she's looking out for her own best medical interests"

If that was the case she wouldn't be doing roids.
She used it as a negotiating tactic to try to get the fight at her weight class before the BW WMMA division in the UFC was established. For enough money she will stop doing roids and go to 135.

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"The UFC making the cut limit at 135 instead of putting on a catch-weight at 145"

It's not a catchweight if thats the normal weight Cyborg fights at, lol.

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"Cyborg hasn't been medically cleared to fight at 135"

Didn't her camp even say it was possible at one point.
Also, she won't let any other Dr or Dietitian see her so it's pointless to say she isn't medically cleared. She actually is if she cut the weight but "her Dr" advised her against it.

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