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12/29/13 5:49 PM
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NFABeeJay - Quite simple.

Make 135 and sign with the UFC. Everything else is stupid to talk about. The UFC has 2 WMMA weight classes neither are 145. That's just tough shit if you don't want to make the cut.

Of course the UFC is gonna side with their champion also, who wouldn't?

I would guarantee that if Cyborg would make 135 and quit playing games they would bring her in!

This is all on her NOT the UFC and especially not Honda. Phone Post 3.0

The UFC can signal that they want to make a catch weight fight anytime they want but they don't. Ronda doesn't want to move up to 145 and Cyborg isn't medically cleared to fight 135. This fight not happening is on the UFC and Ronda. They are choosing to protect Ronda from Cyborg probably because the UFC want's to create a 135 pound limit bubble for it's fans to live in which will block Cyborg out as the face of women's mma.

we all know Cyborg is the person Ronda has to go through to claim legitimacy as the best but it seems like there are many people trying to jump through hoops to avoid it.
12/29/13 5:49 PM
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How someone could say that a fighter is so big that doctors say the weight cut could have serious permanent consequences yet think the lighter fighter should still fight them is beyond me.

If they are really that different in size to where Ronda can make weight anytime she wants but Cyborg could die then there is really nothing to discuss. Phone Post 3.0
12/29/13 5:56 PM
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BertR - This isn't complicated. Cyborg and Ronda are supposedly the two best female fighters in mma and there is a 20 pound difference between the two. Split the difference in a catchweight at 145 and have them fight it out.

If Ronda continues to win at 135 in the UFC all that means is she's the champion of the UFC 135 pound division. Not the best female fighter and not better than Cyborg. There is nothing special about staying at 135 pounds except it allows Dana to protect her since Cyborg isn't medically advised to cut to that weight. Until she fights Cyborg she will continue to be looked at as ducking her. At least Gina got in the cage with her knowing she was probably going to take the loss and she did.

I am a fan of Ronda. She get's a lot of hate because of her personality but im not put off by it and i admire what she's doing for female mma. At the same time, it's disingenuous for the UFC to make her out to be the best female fighter in the world when she hasn't faced Cyborg.

Ronda fights at 135, Cyborg at 145
How is splitting the difference make it 145?

Truth is Cyborg could make 135 and she won't do it. UFC agreed to pay Dolce to help her but she won't even try because she believes the muscles are what makes her the fighter she is and scared to lose them. Sadly for her, UFC isn't going to budge and she will have to move to 135.

Right now Rousey has McMann, then Zingano.
Also got Davis after that.
Not to mention Holm and Murphy who could be in UFC next year so if Cyborgs plan was to wait till there was no match ups for Ronda then she failed and will continue to make a fraction of what she could in the UFC.
12/29/13 5:58 PM
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BoxingIsDead - Move up five, move down five, its not hard to cut the difference. Zuffa doesn't want to make the fight, end of story. Ronda can continue to fight cans.

Cans?
She is beating top 10 girls in her weight class.
She as McMann and Zingano next. Then Davis if she keeps winning. In 2014 she will have Holm and Murphy, all top talent. Your lack of MMA knowledge shows when you call them cans.
12/29/13 6:12 PM
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BertR - This isn't complicated. Cyborg and Ronda are supposedly the two best female fighters in mma and there is a 20 pound difference between the two. Split the difference in a catchweight at 145 and have them fight it out.

If Ronda continues to win at 135 in the UFC all that means is she's the champion of the UFC 135 pound division. Not the best female fighter and not better than Cyborg. There is nothing special about staying at 135 pounds except it allows Dana to protect her since Cyborg isn't medically advised to cut to that weight. Until she fights Cyborg she will continue to be looked at as ducking her. At least Gina got in the cage with her knowing she was probably going to take the loss and she did.

I am a fan of Ronda. She get's a lot of hate because of her personality but im not put off by it and i admire what she's doing for female mma. At the same time, it's disingenuous for the UFC to make her out to be the best female fighter in the world when she hasn't faced Cyborg.

Ronda fights at 135, Cyborg at 145
How is splitting the difference make it 145?

Truth is Cyborg could make 135 and she won't do it. UFC agreed to pay Dolce to help her but she won't even try because she believes the muscles are what makes her the fighter she is and scared to lose them. Sadly for her, UFC isn't going to budge and she will have to move to 135.

Right now Rousey has McMann, then Zingano.
Also got Davis after that.
Not to mention Holm and Murphy who could be in UFC next year so if Cyborgs plan was to wait till there was no match ups for Ronda then she failed and will continue to make a fraction of what she could in the UFC.

I thought cyborg is fighting at 155 her next fight

http://fansided.com/2013/07/22/cris-cyborg-is-moving-up-a-weight-class-for-next-invicta-fc-bout/


She got medical advice from a doctor telling her to avoid cutting to 135 so why would she listen to Dolce who found a marketing niche by converting himself from an mma fighter into a diet guru. More power to him but he's not a doctor and has no idea about the consequences of her dropping to the weight like her doctor does who advised her against doing it.

Regardless, as i said above until Ronda faces Cyborg she will be rightly looked at as ducking her. Cyborg beat Gina and hasn't lost a fight since then and there is only a 20 pound weight difference between the two, so if the UFC want's to block a catchweight fight from happening that's their choice but they will be rightly criticized for doing so since they're protecting Ronda from fight the fight she needs to have to legitimize herself as the undisputed best female fighter in the world.
12/29/13 6:14 PM
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BoxingIsDead - Move up five, move down five, its not hard to cut the difference. Zuffa doesn't want to make the fight, end of story. Ronda can continue to fight cans.

Cans?
She is beating top 10 girls in her weight class.
She as McMann and Zingano next. Then Davis if she keeps winning. In 2014 she will have Holm and Murphy, all top talent. Your lack of MMA knowledge shows when you call them cans.

Your lack of common sense is appalling. Ronda will wipe the floor with anyone in her division. At minimum, Rousey is more than a five to one favorite gainst any female on Zuffa's current roster. Do you understand? There is one female fight that matters, Cyborg/Rousey and it's what the fans want to see.
12/29/13 6:22 PM
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BoxingIsDead - Move up five, move down five, its not hard to cut the difference. Zuffa doesn't want to make the fight, end of story. Ronda can continue to fight cans.

Cans?
She is beating top 10 girls in her weight class.
She as McMann and Zingano next. Then Davis if she keeps winning. In 2014 she will have Holm and Murphy, all top talent. Your lack of MMA knowledge shows when you call them cans.

Your lack of common sense is appalling. Ronda will wipe the floor with anyone in her division. At minimum, Rousey is more than a five to one favorite gainst any female on Zuffa's current roster. Do you understand? There is one female fight that matters, Cyborg/Rousey and it's what the fans want to see.

But is that fight fair? is Cyborg a ped abuser with the strength of a man fighting Ronda who has never tested positive fair?

When you look at Cyborg do you see a man or women fighting?

Regardless Cyborg was given a chance to make up for her failures and come and fight for the UFC. She declined because she will only fight if he she has the advantage.
12/29/13 6:25 PM
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Start a new weight class: Batman weight.

And let's get it done!
12/29/13 6:26 PM
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It won't happen until Cyborg drops Tito as a manager.

The UFC was going to pick up the tab for her Invicta fights and the services of Dolce to ensure a healthy cut to 135. Tito's counter offer? Release her from her Strikeforce (UFC) contract.

So now she's still fighting for Invicta, no Dulce, and no connection with the UFC.

Tito Ortiz deserves respect for his accomplishments in the cage, but as far as his business decisions; Tito is about as smart as a bag of hammers.
12/29/13 6:34 PM
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BertR - This isn't complicated. Cyborg and Ronda are supposedly the two best female fighters in mma and there is a 20 pound difference between the two. Split the difference in a catchweight at 145 and have them fight it out.

If Ronda continues to win at 135 in the UFC all that means is she's the champion of the UFC 135 pound division. Not the best female fighter and not better than Cyborg. There is nothing special about staying at 135 pounds except it allows Dana to protect her since Cyborg isn't medically advised to cut to that weight. Until she fights Cyborg she will continue to be looked at as ducking her. At least Gina got in the cage with her knowing she was probably going to take the loss and she did.

I am a fan of Ronda. She get's a lot of hate because of her personality but im not put off by it and i admire what she's doing for female mma. At the same time, it's disingenuous for the UFC to make her out to be the best female fighter in the world when she hasn't faced Cyborg.

Ronda fights at 135, Cyborg at 145
How is splitting the difference make it 145?

Truth is Cyborg could make 135 and she won't do it. UFC agreed to pay Dolce to help her but she won't even try because she believes the muscles are what makes her the fighter she is and scared to lose them. Sadly for her, UFC isn't going to budge and she will have to move to 135.

Right now Rousey has McMann, then Zingano.
Also got Davis after that.
Not to mention Holm and Murphy who could be in UFC next year so if Cyborgs plan was to wait till there was no match ups for Ronda then she failed and will continue to make a fraction of what she could in the UFC.

I thought cyborg is fighting at 155 her next fight

http://fansided.com/2013/07/22/cris-cyborg-is-moving-up-a-weight-class-for-next-invicta-fc-bout/


She got medical advice from a doctor telling her to avoid cutting to 135 so why would she listen to Dolce who found a marketing niche by converting himself from an mma fighter into a diet guru. More power to him but he's not a doctor and has no idea about the consequences of her dropping to the weight like her doctor does who advised her against doing it.

Regardless, as i said above until Ronda faces Cyborg she will be rightly looked at as ducking her. Cyborg beat Gina and hasn't lost a fight since then and there is only a 20 pound weight difference between the two, so if the UFC want's to block a catchweight fight from happening that's their choice but they will be rightly criticized for doing so since they're protecting Ronda from fight the fight she needs to have to legitimize herself as the undisputed best female fighter in the world.

LMFAO, so I guess by this logic if Cyborg goes to 195 for her next fight it would only be fair for her to fight Ronda at 165 then.

As far as her Dr, everyone is in agreement that the Dr wrote the note after his/her client said she didn't want to go to 135. She can make 135 if she wanted too but won't even try. Refuses to see UFC Dr or let Dolce help her. She is ducking Ronda/UFC in hopes of getting more money down the road.

I think 90% of the people on the UG will agree Ronda is NOT ducking Cyborg, Cyborg is ducking her.

Catchweight makes NO SENSE for the UFC and won't happen.
12/29/13 6:35 PM
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Mustard Tiger - It won't happen until Cyborg drops Tito as a manager.

The UFC was going to pick up the tab for her Invicta fights and the services of Dolce to ensure a healthy cut to 135. Tito's counter offer? Release her from her Strikeforce (UFC) contract.

So now she's still fighting for Invicta, no Dulce, and no connection with the UFC.

Tito Ortiz deserves respect for his accomplishments in the cage, but as far as his business decisions; Tito is about as smart as a bag of hammers.
That's a bingoooo! Phone Post 3.0
12/29/13 6:36 PM
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BoxingIsDead - Move up five, move down five, its not hard to cut the difference. Zuffa doesn't want to make the fight, end of story. Ronda can continue to fight cans.

Cans?
She is beating top 10 girls in her weight class.
She as McMann and Zingano next. Then Davis if she keeps winning. In 2014 she will have Holm and Murphy, all top talent. Your lack of MMA knowledge shows when you call them cans.

Your lack of common sense is appalling. Ronda will wipe the floor with anyone in her division. At minimum, Rousey is more than a five to one favorite gainst any female on Zuffa's current roster. Do you understand? There is one female fight that matters, Cyborg/Rousey and it's what the fans want to see.

So by this logic then all of Silvas opponents the past few years were cans because he was a big favorite over them. She is fighting the best in the world at her weight class. I don't think you understand what the term can means, lol.
12/29/13 6:44 PM
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I honestly think Ronda is the most Alpha girl out there. She must have some crazy ass amounts of natural test.
12/29/13 6:50 PM
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BertR - This isn't complicated. Cyborg and Ronda are supposedly the two best female fighters in mma and there is a 20 pound difference between the two. Split the difference in a catchweight at 145 and have them fight it out.

If Ronda continues to win at 135 in the UFC all that means is she's the champion of the UFC 135 pound division. Not the best female fighter and not better than Cyborg. There is nothing special about staying at 135 pounds except it allows Dana to protect her since Cyborg isn't medically advised to cut to that weight. Until she fights Cyborg she will continue to be looked at as ducking her. At least Gina got in the cage with her knowing she was probably going to take the loss and she did.

I am a fan of Ronda. She get's a lot of hate because of her personality but im not put off by it and i admire what she's doing for female mma. At the same time, it's disingenuous for the UFC to make her out to be the best female fighter in the world when she hasn't faced Cyborg.

Ronda fights at 135, Cyborg at 145
How is splitting the difference make it 145?

Truth is Cyborg could make 135 and she won't do it. UFC agreed to pay Dolce to help her but she won't even try because she believes the muscles are what makes her the fighter she is and scared to lose them. Sadly for her, UFC isn't going to budge and she will have to move to 135.

Right now Rousey has McMann, then Zingano.
Also got Davis after that.
Not to mention Holm and Murphy who could be in UFC next year so if Cyborgs plan was to wait till there was no match ups for Ronda then she failed and will continue to make a fraction of what she could in the UFC.

I thought cyborg is fighting at 155 her next fight

http://fansided.com/2013/07/22/cris-cyborg-is-moving-up-a-weight-class-for-next-invicta-fc-bout/


She got medical advice from a doctor telling her to avoid cutting to 135 so why would she listen to Dolce who found a marketing niche by converting himself from an mma fighter into a diet guru. More power to him but he's not a doctor and has no idea about the consequences of her dropping to the weight like her doctor does who advised her against doing it.

Regardless, as i said above until Ronda faces Cyborg she will be rightly looked at as ducking her. Cyborg beat Gina and hasn't lost a fight since then and there is only a 20 pound weight difference between the two, so if the UFC want's to block a catchweight fight from happening that's their choice but they will be rightly criticized for doing so since they're protecting Ronda from fight the fight she needs to have to legitimize herself as the undisputed best female fighter in the world.

LMFAO, so I guess by this logic if Cyborg goes to 195 for her next fight it would only be fair for her to fight Ronda at 165 then.

As far as her Dr, everyone is in agreement that the Dr wrote the note after his/her client said she didn't want to go to 135. She can make 135 if she wanted too but won't even try. Refuses to see UFC Dr or let Dolce help her. She is ducking Ronda/UFC in hopes of getting more money down the road.

I think 90% of the people on the UG will agree Ronda is NOT ducking Cyborg, Cyborg is ducking her.

Catchweight makes NO SENSE for the UFC and won't happen.

Im not sure why you're being this unreasonable. The context of what im talking about is having them fight since they are renown for being the two best female fighters alive. There is only a 20lb weight difference but with Cyborg she doesn't have medical clearance to fight at 135. If Ronda wants to be considered better than Cyborg she needs to fight her and win but since Cyborg can't go down Ronda needs to move up to 145 for a catchweight fight so they can fight. Ronda can stay at 135 and the UFC can ignore Cyborg but the consequence is they will be rightly criticized for it and many will view Ronda as ducking Cyborg since she didn't move up 10 pounds to fight her.

12/29/13 7:03 PM
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Mustard Tiger - It won't happen until Cyborg drops Tito as a manager.

The UFC was going to pick up the tab for her Invicta fights and the services of Dolce to ensure a healthy cut to 135. Tito's counter offer? Release her from her Strikeforce (UFC) contract.

So now she's still fighting for Invicta, no Dulce, and no connection with the UFC.

Tito Ortiz deserves respect for his accomplishments in the cage, but as far as his business decisions; Tito is about as smart as a bag of hammers.

If the UFC has a vendetta against Tito and using that against Cyborg, the UFC should be criticized for playing politics at the expense of having the two best fighters female fighters fight.

It's nice that the UFC would pick up the tab for her Invicta fights which makes it all the more unfortunate she's not medically cleared to fight at 135. Dolce isn't a doctor so he has nothing to do with this because the issue isn't with losing weight since i'm sure Cyborg can cut weight. Because Dolce doesn't have the medical expertise to evaluate Cyborgs situation he wont be able to help her come up with a safe diet plan if a safe diet plan were even possible in Cyborgs case, which according to her doctor it isnt
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What was made public was that SHE LEFT the UFC. So this discussion is about what exactly? Is she returning to the UFC?
All the rest is nonsense...
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LardArseScaretyCat - What was made public was that SHE LEFT the UFC. So this discussion is about what exactly? Is she returning to the UFC?
All the rest is nonsense...

The context of her leaving the UFC though is she was medically advised to not fight at 135. Although she can't fight a 135 she can at 145 which is her cutting limit, so she can fight a catchweight fight with Ronda. The problem it seems is the UFC and Ronda don't want her to fight Cyborg at that weight so they're ignoring her despite Cyborg probably being the best female fighter on the planet while marketing Ronda as the best despite not fighting Cyborg. There wouldn't be a problem if the UFC and Ronda acknowledged that Cyborg is the best womans fighter on the planet but they don't do that, so they're being criticized.
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onebaldegg - You are right 2leftfeet. That's if she wants the UFC 135 belt. She has said on several occasions that she would fight RhonDuh at a catchweight just to see who is the better fighter. RhonDuh wants nothing to do with her. Why? Because RhonDuh has everything to lose and would lose. Cyborg can't make 135. That's why she went to an organization that did have a 145 class and won the belt there. She has a belt already. The real question that WE ALL want answered is "Who is the best female fighter in the world?" Right now according to ALL ranking (that are not UFC rankings and include fighters from all organizations) Cyborg is the higher ranked female fighter. In fact she is ranked #1. So your argument is silly because you could make a similar argument for Cyborg. Which is:

If RhonDuh wants to be the P4P women's #1 fighter, than step up and fight Cyborg at a weight that is makable for both. It's that simple.

See how that works 2leftfeet?

i can't find any p4p rankings that have guyborg #1 besides one that has not been updated since october.

 

http://espn.go.com/mma/rankings/_/class/womens-pound-for-pound

http://www.mmarising.com/rankings/womens-pound-for-pound-top-15/

http://www.tapology.com/rankings/33-current-best-pound-for-pound-female-mma-fighters

http://www.fightmatrix.com/mma-ranks/womens-pound-for-pound/


Here are a few for you. I agree with you that many sites have RhonDuh and Cyborg neck and neck.

http://www.mmaweekly.com/womens-pound-for-pound-mma-top-10

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mma-top-10-rankings-jessica-181838248--mma.html


It's just a shame we may never get this fight to happen. When this is the real women's fight that the fans want to see. I see the strengths breaking down like this. Anybody else see this play out differently?

Striking advantage: Cyborg. We have seen Cris maul fighters before. I am not sure that RhonDuh could weather the storm. Rousey's standup looked average at best against Tate at UFC168.

Grappling advantage: May have to go with RhonDuh on this one, because this is her bread and butter. Is Cyborg a black belt? I am not sure.







right thats the one from october i was talking about. (both links are the same mma weekly rankings).

So you need to ammend your "Right now according to ALL ranking (that are not UFC rankings and include fighters from all organizations) Cyborg is the higher ranked female fighter. In fact she is ranked #1." Statement to the more accurate "Right now according to NO ranking (that are not UFC rankings and include fighters from all organizations) Cyborg is the higher ranked female fighter. In fact she is ranked #2."

The fight is there waiting for her. all she has to do is put down the needle and make weight.

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BertR - This isn't complicated. Cyborg and Ronda are supposedly the two best female fighters in mma and there is a 20 pound difference between the two. Split the difference in a catchweight at 145 and have them fight it out.

If Ronda continues to win at 135 in the UFC all that means is she's the champion of the UFC 135 pound division. Not the best female fighter and not better than Cyborg. There is nothing special about staying at 135 pounds except it allows Dana to protect her since Cyborg isn't medically advised to cut to that weight. Until she fights Cyborg she will continue to be looked at as ducking her. At least Gina got in the cage with her knowing she was probably going to take the loss and she did.

I am a fan of Ronda. She get's a lot of hate because of her personality but im not put off by it and i admire what she's doing for female mma. At the same time, it's disingenuous for the UFC to make her out to be the best female fighter in the world when she hasn't faced Cyborg.

Ronda fights at 135, Cyborg at 145
How is splitting the difference make it 145?

Truth is Cyborg could make 135 and she won't do it. UFC agreed to pay Dolce to help her but she won't even try because she believes the muscles are what makes her the fighter she is and scared to lose them. Sadly for her, UFC isn't going to budge and she will have to move to 135.

Right now Rousey has McMann, then Zingano.
Also got Davis after that.
Not to mention Holm and Murphy who could be in UFC next year so if Cyborgs plan was to wait till there was no match ups for Ronda then she failed and will continue to make a fraction of what she could in the UFC.

I thought cyborg is fighting at 155 her next fight

http://fansided.com/2013/07/22/cris-cyborg-is-moving-up-a-weight-class-for-next-invicta-fc-bout/


She got medical advice from a doctor telling her to avoid cutting to 135 so why would she listen to Dolce who found a marketing niche by converting himself from an mma fighter into a diet guru. More power to him but he's not a doctor and has no idea about the consequences of her dropping to the weight like her doctor does who advised her against doing it.

Regardless, as i said above until Ronda faces Cyborg she will be rightly looked at as ducking her. Cyborg beat Gina and hasn't lost a fight since then and there is only a 20 pound weight difference between the two, so if the UFC want's to block a catchweight fight from happening that's their choice but they will be rightly criticized for doing so since they're protecting Ronda from fight the fight she needs to have to legitimize herself as the undisputed best female fighter in the world.

LMFAO, so I guess by this logic if Cyborg goes to 195 for her next fight it would only be fair for her to fight Ronda at 165 then.

As far as her Dr, everyone is in agreement that the Dr wrote the note after his/her client said she didn't want to go to 135. She can make 135 if she wanted too but won't even try. Refuses to see UFC Dr or let Dolce help her. She is ducking Ronda/UFC in hopes of getting more money down the road.

I think 90% of the people on the UG will agree Ronda is NOT ducking Cyborg, Cyborg is ducking her.

Catchweight makes NO SENSE for the UFC and won't happen.

Im not sure why you're being this unreasonable. The context of what im talking about is having them fight since they are renown for being the two best female fighters alive. There is only a 20lb weight difference but with Cyborg she doesn't have medical clearance to fight at 135. If Ronda wants to be considered better than Cyborg she needs to fight her and win but since Cyborg can't go down Ronda needs to move up to 145 for a catchweight fight so they can fight. Ronda can stay at 135 and the UFC can ignore Cyborg but the consequence is they will be rightly criticized for it and many will view Ronda as ducking Cyborg since she didn't move up 10 pounds to fight her.


It's not a 20lb difference, it's 10lbs.
Also, she TURNED DOWN the chance to be in the UFC and have the UFC have it's medical team and Dolce work with her to get to 135. The fact that you actually believe her Dr. is laughable. That was a way for her camp to save face and try to force Ronda to 145 where Cyborg would have the advantage. Now that it's not working she will go to 155 and hope they can meet in the middle at 145. Dana isn't stupid and knows Cyborg CAN MAKE 135 if she changed her diet but she refuses. It's not on the UFC to make the fight, it's on Cyborg to drop to 135 and fight Ronda. If she wants the fight, lose the weight, not that hard to do.
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LardArseScaretyCat - What was made public was that SHE LEFT the UFC. So this discussion is about what exactly? Is she returning to the UFC?
All the rest is nonsense...

The context of her leaving the UFC though is she was medically advised to not fight at 135. Although she can't fight a 135 she can at 145 which is her cutting limit, so she can fight a catchweight fight with Ronda. The problem it seems is the UFC and Ronda don't want her to fight Cyborg at that weight so they're ignoring her despite Cyborg probably being the best female fighter on the planet while marketing Ronda as the best despite not fighting Cyborg. There wouldn't be a problem if the UFC and Ronda acknowledged that Cyborg is the best womans fighter on the planet but they don't do that, so they're being criticized.

Ok. So Weidman is ducking Jones who in turn is ducking Cain? Is that the logic? They can all fight a class above. Why don't they? Cyborg is meaningless for the UFC unless she makes 135.

Cyborg got Tito as a manager - clearly someone that can help getting some goodwill out of the people in the UFC. I wonder, who is ducking who...?
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LardArseScaretyCat - What was made public was that SHE LEFT the UFC. So this discussion is about what exactly? Is she returning to the UFC?
All the rest is nonsense...

The context of her leaving the UFC though is she was medically advised to not fight at 135. Although she can't fight a 135 she can at 145 which is her cutting limit, so she can fight a catchweight fight with Ronda. The problem it seems is the UFC and Ronda don't want her to fight Cyborg at that weight so they're ignoring her despite Cyborg probably being the best female fighter on the planet while marketing Ronda as the best despite not fighting Cyborg. There wouldn't be a problem if the UFC and Ronda acknowledged that Cyborg is the best womans fighter on the planet but they don't do that, so they're being criticized.

I don't know if you are trolling, misinformed or delusional.

You do know UFC offered to honor her contract from Strikeforce and let have those fights in Invicta at 145. While she was under contract she would of had insurance and been able to work with the UFC medical team and Dolce to see if she can make 135. She refused that contract because she wants more money.
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LardArseScaretyCat - What was made public was that SHE LEFT the UFC. So this discussion is about what exactly? Is she returning to the UFC?
All the rest is nonsense...

The context of her leaving the UFC though is she was medically advised to not fight at 135. Although she can't fight a 135 she can at 145 which is her cutting limit, so she can fight a catchweight fight with Ronda. The problem it seems is the UFC and Ronda don't want her to fight Cyborg at that weight so they're ignoring her despite Cyborg probably being the best female fighter on the planet while marketing Ronda as the best despite not fighting Cyborg. There wouldn't be a problem if the UFC and Ronda acknowledged that Cyborg is the best womans fighter on the planet but they don't do that, so they're being criticized.

I don't know if you are trolling, misinformed or delusional.

You do know UFC offered to honor her contract from Strikeforce and let have those fights in Invicta at 145. While she was under contract she would of had insurance and been able to work with the UFC medical team and Dolce to see if she can make 135. She refused that contract because she wants more money.

And the whole thing where she refused to work with Dolce, because if she had, then she wouldn't be able to hide behind the excuse that she can't make the weight.

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BertR - This isn't complicated. Cyborg and Ronda are supposedly the two best female fighters in mma and there is a 20 pound difference between the two. Split the difference in a catchweight at 145 and have them fight it out.

If Ronda continues to win at 135 in the UFC all that means is she's the champion of the UFC 135 pound division. Not the best female fighter and not better than Cyborg. There is nothing special about staying at 135 pounds except it allows Dana to protect her since Cyborg isn't medically advised to cut to that weight. Until she fights Cyborg she will continue to be looked at as ducking her. At least Gina got in the cage with her knowing she was probably going to take the loss and she did.

I am a fan of Ronda. She get's a lot of hate because of her personality but im not put off by it and i admire what she's doing for female mma. At the same time, it's disingenuous for the UFC to make her out to be the best female fighter in the world when she hasn't faced Cyborg.

Ronda fights at 135, Cyborg at 145
How is splitting the difference make it 145?

Truth is Cyborg could make 135 and she won't do it. UFC agreed to pay Dolce to help her but she won't even try because she believes the muscles are what makes her the fighter she is and scared to lose them. Sadly for her, UFC isn't going to budge and she will have to move to 135.

Right now Rousey has McMann, then Zingano.
Also got Davis after that.
Not to mention Holm and Murphy who could be in UFC next year so if Cyborgs plan was to wait till there was no match ups for Ronda then she failed and will continue to make a fraction of what she could in the UFC.

I thought cyborg is fighting at 155 her next fight

http://fansided.com/2013/07/22/cris-cyborg-is-moving-up-a-weight-class-for-next-invicta-fc-bout/


She got medical advice from a doctor telling her to avoid cutting to 135 so why would she listen to Dolce who found a marketing niche by converting himself from an mma fighter into a diet guru. More power to him but he's not a doctor and has no idea about the consequences of her dropping to the weight like her doctor does who advised her against doing it.

Regardless, as i said above until Ronda faces Cyborg she will be rightly looked at as ducking her. Cyborg beat Gina and hasn't lost a fight since then and there is only a 20 pound weight difference between the two, so if the UFC want's to block a catchweight fight from happening that's their choice but they will be rightly criticized for doing so since they're protecting Ronda from fight the fight she needs to have to legitimize herself as the undisputed best female fighter in the world.

LMFAO, so I guess by this logic if Cyborg goes to 195 for her next fight it would only be fair for her to fight Ronda at 165 then.

As far as her Dr, everyone is in agreement that the Dr wrote the note after his/her client said she didn't want to go to 135. She can make 135 if she wanted too but won't even try. Refuses to see UFC Dr or let Dolce help her. She is ducking Ronda/UFC in hopes of getting more money down the road.

I think 90% of the people on the UG will agree Ronda is NOT ducking Cyborg, Cyborg is ducking her.

Catchweight makes NO SENSE for the UFC and won't happen.

Im not sure why you're being this unreasonable. The context of what im talking about is having them fight since they are renown for being the two best female fighters alive. There is only a 20lb weight difference but with Cyborg she doesn't have medical clearance to fight at 135. If Ronda wants to be considered better than Cyborg she needs to fight her and win but since Cyborg can't go down Ronda needs to move up to 145 for a catchweight fight so they can fight. Ronda can stay at 135 and the UFC can ignore Cyborg but the consequence is they will be rightly criticized for it and many will view Ronda as ducking Cyborg since she didn't move up 10 pounds to fight her.


It's not a 20lb difference, it's 10lbs.
Also, she TURNED DOWN the chance to be in the UFC and have the UFC have it's medical team and Dolce work with her to get to 135. The fact that you actually believe her Dr. is laughable. That was a way for her camp to save face and try to force Ronda to 145 where Cyborg would have the advantage. Now that it's not working she will go to 155 and hope they can meet in the middle at 145. Dana isn't stupid and knows Cyborg CAN MAKE 135 if she changed her diet but she refuses. It's not on the UFC to make the fight, it's on Cyborg to drop to 135 and fight Ronda. If she wants the fight, lose the weight, not that hard to do.

It doesn't matter if the UFC medical team and Dolce (who are both, btw, biased in favour of the agenda of the UFC) offered to work with her on it or not what matters is she has recieved medical advice by her own doctor on it being unsafe and has decided not to risk it. That doesn't delegitimatize anything i say about how it seems the UFC and Ronda are avoiding the fight. They are putting an artificial barrier up at 135lbs and blocking off who many consider to be the best female fighter on the planet despite having the power to put on a catchweight fight but choosing not to.

If Ronda can't beat Cyborg at 145 she deserves to not be viewed as the best female fighter on the planet. If moving up 10 pounds is too much of a hurdle for her to clear that says more about the nature of how she's exploiting the protection of her weight class. Look at Fedor who never cut and how he fought so many people who were larger and stronger than him but still won in a division which allowed a 60 pound difference. Ronda fighting at 145 and being unable to beat another fighter that fights at 145 says that she's a great 135 pounder but should only claim to be the best at 135 in the UFC promotion and not the best female fighter and not better than Cyborg.
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WMMA is above needing any single fighter or match happening. If Rhonda and cyborg don't fight, the world still turns. The ufc women's division will go on without cyborg, who chose to leave the organization. There is a good rising crop of wmma fighters and there will be no shortages of opponents in the future.

Rhonda will fight tough competition and become a household name, while cyborg will be remembered for being manly, popped for roids, and wasting an opportunity. Phone Post 3.0
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MRXC - If Cyborg can ever get to 135 (regardless of all these armchair MMA fans who yammer on about 'juicing' considering how many fighters have been popped for it, Cyborg is clearly not an outlier, so in reality, one instance of making a mistake, years ago, is really irrelevant today) she would give Ronda a serious fight.

Rousey was rocked more than once yesterday by Tate, who trows decent hands, but has no power and average coordination. Cyborg is the best stand-up fighter in WMMA and has rag dolled many Women on the feet.

Cyborg would be the stiffest test of Ronda's short career, that in reality has been filled with some cream puffs.

McMann could beat her, cause she will take her down and grind her, and Rousey was looking tired 3 minutes into round one yesterday.

Cat has stand-up that took Tate through the wood chipper. She could bop Ronda in the beak and take the belt.

All the easy fights, not to shit on Tate, but they were easy, are in the past now. Now Ronda has 3 straight fights of real Women who can match everything she does, save for the Judo. And Judo ain't everything. If it was Karo and Ishii would be world beaters.

Lack of credible competition doesn't make you the best, just the best at the time.

If Ronda beats McMann, Cat and Cyborg then I would consider her the GOAT in WMMA. At this point, despite her 'status' in the media, Marloes Coenen, Cyborg Justino & Tara LaRosa have accomplished more.

Ronda needs a Cyborg fight more than Cyborg needs Ronda in the annals of history, today.

I disagree Cyborg who has been popped for Roids should be considered in the GOAT when it comes to WMMA. I do believe if Ronda beats McMann and Zingano in 2014. Then Davis and possibly an undefeated Holm and L Murphy in 2015 she will go down as GOAT if she retired at that point regardless of if she fights Cyborg or not.

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