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"Now since you put more emphasis on title defenses, will you keep that same "orcus consistency" that you are renown for, and you would give us your opinion that Jose Aldo is better than Fedor because he has more title defenses right? Same for Matt Hughes, same for Miguel Torres?"

Since you just cut and pasted your question again, I'll cut and paste the response I already gave: More emphasis than I do on what? Enlighten me. I was merely curious as to just how many fighters outranked, in your estimation, the fighter with the most title defenses in MMA history, and if that list included guys he actually already beat.

"I have owned you so many times"

lol

"You just named FIVE opponents of Fedor who were bigger than Fedor. Now see if you can name me 5 opponents who were bigger than Anderson by the same comparison."

No. And again: So?

" You can however say, that what some of Fedor's opponents lacked in skill, they had the added variable of size either in weight, height, reach or combination of the three. Can you say that for Anderson's opponents who lacked skill?"

First of all, your language is misleading. Usually "what they lacked in x" implies "they made up with y". In this case, they did NOT make up with size what they lacked in skill. Otherwise, they'd have been top fighters. They would have a list of significant wins to their names. Yet, they don't.

I don't consider Anderson's opponents who lacked skill. Why would I? Anderson isn't a GOAT contender because he beat Patrick Cote, just like GSP's win over Dan Hardy does nothing for him. But to play along, what those guys lacked in certain skills -- although they are certainly more skilled in MMA than Zulu etc -- they may have made up for with speed or toughness etc. You have failed time and time again to substantiate your insistence that we should give more "points" for beating bigger guys.
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"I guaranfuckingtee Fedor beating Hong Man Choi was more impressive than Anderson beating 20+ of his opponents."

Really? You guarantee it? To whom? Because it certainly wasn't more impressive to me, or to many others.

"In fact, HMC woulda likely knocked Anderson TFO."

Obviously. He was getting outstruck by Jose Fucking Canseco until Jose blew his knee out, but he would KTFO of Anderson Silva. Your delusion that this is the case, or that HMC is somehow a dangerous MMA opponent for anyone above welterweight, pretty much invalidates any arguments you can make. The guy had zero wrestling, zero ground game, does that sound like a recipe for MMA success?

"Fedor got handed opponents all shapes and sizes with little time to prepare."

Who gives a fuck? And how did you reach this conclusion anyway? Every fight had to be negotiated for tooth and nail with his management by all accounts from every organization he has signed with. Don't pretend he was taking on all-comers with no say in the matter.

"Anderson fought in one division and was given months, if not a year to prepare."

Cool!

"Anderson lost to scrubs, ragtagged by Chael fucking Sonnen, and beat twice by a guy half the planet had never heard of, and was brought in to lose, just to avoid Belfort 7.0."

Fedor while ranked #1 lost to a guy who was barely in the top 10 and then lost to another guy whom Anderson tooled who was not even ranked at HW, because he weighed 207 in jeans. And lol @ the delusional mindset that would say Weidman was "brought in to lose" when virtually EVERY fighter in the UFC picked Weidman to win, and all the fans knew Weidman was a dangerous style matchup for Anderson (or for anyone, for that matter). But let me get this straight: You thought that after their champ was "ragtagged by Chael Sonnen", they decided to have Chris Weidman -- a huge middleweight with the highest takedown success rate in the UFC, who had never been taken down in MMA, never lost, had KO power, excellent GnP, and top notch grappling -- "brought in to lose"?

Do you read what you write? Are you embarassed at what you just said? Again: Think about how you JUST SAID Anderson was "ragtagged by Chael Sonnen", and then how you followed that up with Chris Weidman being "brought in to lose" so that Anderson wouldn't have to lose to a guy he already KTFO in the first round. Try to think about if that makes any kind of sense, or if the only way you could have typed it were if you were desperately trying to make Anderson sound as bad as possible, truth and accuracy be damned.

And lol some more @ avoiding Belfort. Anderson KTFO of Belfort in the first round with a Steven Seagal special when Vitor was coming in off quick KOs of Rich Franklin, Matt Lindland, and Terry Martin and was undefeated at 185. But yeah, after KOing him with a showboat technique, Anderson probably became paralyzed with fear after Vitor KO'd Akiyama and choked out Anthony Johnson. Are you seriously retarded?


"Difference is, organizations didn't propagate Fedor's greatness, the declaration was made by the people and for the people, you whalewatching treehugging granola eating moron."

lol...you bought into Fedor being the greatest of all time hook line and sinker. You saw him crush giant dudes like Zulu in seconds, and you have been fooled into thinking that's more impressive than "Anderson beating 20 of his opponents". How did you get that idea if not by promotional magic? Can you point to some results in MMA that support your claim that giants like Zulu and HMC or even Schilt are big wins because of their size, or are fearsome opponents because of it? Remind me what their records were and who they beat leading up to and after fighting Fedor?

What really put Fedor over the top in your eyes? Beating Nog, who was invincible? Why did you think Nog was invincible, because he beat Bob Sapp who never beat anybody? Because he beat Mark Coleman who had one win worth any kind of a shit in seven fucking years? How did you conclude all these guys were unbeatable if not for promotional hocus pocus?

Here's a serious question: Which good heavyweights do you think would not steamroll the "giants" that Fedor beat? Let's say Cain, JDS, Cormier, Werdum, Bigfoot, Barnett, Nogueira, fuck throw Randy in there too. Which of them do you think would lose to Zulu, Schilt, HMC, Ogawa, Sylvia (at the time Fedor fought him)? Any of them? Give me a fucking break. If every HW worth a damn would beat those guys, then how do you have the gall to use them as deciding factors in a GOAT discussion?
1/10/14 8:16 PM
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I'd say GSP because he went out without being completely exposed as shot.....

I know all you guys think he lost but it was still a decision decided by 1 round not the devestating ko's the other 2 took.......

just my opinion......so no need to get sandy about it...


GSP is certainly a strong contender in the discussion.
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D241: Can you just give a direct answer to where you put Anderson on the GOAT list???

Seems like you have Fedor Igor Randy...who else above him? Phone Post 3.0
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FETT_GayFerPayNINJA - D241: Can you just give a direct answer to where you put Anderson on the GOAT list???

Seems like you have Fedor Igor Randy...who else above him? Phone Post 3.0

Most heavyweights have to routinely fight guys with 20+ pounds on them, so presumably virtually every heavyweight must be above Anderson.
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It's an impossible question to answer. There are a lot of them in life. Dead heat in history.

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gokudamus stole my name iv - "Now since you put more emphasis on title defenses, will you keep that same "orcus consistency" that you are renown for, and you would give us your opinion that Jose Aldo is better than Fedor because he has more title defenses right? Same for Matt Hughes, same for Miguel Torres?"

Since you just cut and pasted your question again, I'll cut and paste the response I already gave: More emphasis than I do on what? Enlighten me. I was merely curious as to just how many fighters outranked, in your estimation, the fighter with the most title defenses in MMA history, and if that list included guys he actually already beat.

"I have owned you so many times"

lol

"You just named FIVE opponents of Fedor who were bigger than Fedor. Now see if you can name me 5 opponents who were bigger than Anderson by the same comparison."

No. And again: So?

" You can however say, that what some of Fedor's opponents lacked in skill, they had the added variable of size either in weight, height, reach or combination of the three. Can you say that for Anderson's opponents who lacked skill?"

First of all, your language is misleading. Usually "what they lacked in x" implies "they made up with y". In this case, they did NOT make up with size what they lacked in skill. Otherwise, they'd have been top fighters. They would have a list of significant wins to their names. Yet, they don't.

I don't consider Anderson's opponents who lacked skill. Why would I? Anderson isn't a GOAT contender because he beat Patrick Cote, just like GSP's win over Dan Hardy does nothing for him. But to play along, what those guys lacked in certain skills -- although they are certainly more skilled in MMA than Zulu etc -- they may have made up for with speed or toughness etc. You have failed time and time again to substantiate your insistence that we should give more "points" for beating bigger guys.

 

Where is UFC98Newb to see this weak ass reply.

 

 

This is yet another example of how you are owned, because when you look at my questions, then look at how far off you go to avoid answering them directly, it's quite obvious you are talking out your buttocks, as usual.

 

Would give us your opinion that Jose Aldo is better than Fedor because he has more title defenses right? Same for Matt Hughes, same for Miguel Torres?

That's a simple yes or no answer. The fact you go at lengths to reply without answering speaks for itself.

You try to be come off so smart but are so dumb when you give these ridiculous answers. Since you want to play that way, let me break it down in RETARD form so you cannot dicktuck anymore.

JDS had to beat Shane Carwin to become the champion. JDS was not the champion, this was not a title defense. When JDS was champion, he defended the belt against Frank Mir.   

Do you think beating Frank Mir as a title defense is GREATER than beating Shane Carwin to become the champion?(SIMPLE yes or no answer)

 

 

" You can however say, that what some of Fedor's opponents lacked in skill, they had the added variable of size either in weight, height, reach or combination of the three. Can you say that for Anderson's opponents who lacked skill?"

Actually you CONVENIENTLY left out a certain part of my quote for Agenda purposes: You cannot say that all of Fedor's opponents were equal in skill. You cannot say that all of Anderson's opponents were equal in skill.  You can however say, that what some of Fedor's opponents lacked in skill, they had the added variable of size either in weight, height, reach or combination of the three.  Can you say that for Anderson's opponents who lacked skill?

"orcus-First of all, your language is misleading. Usually "what they lacked in x" implies "they made up with y". In this case, they did NOT make up with size what they lacked in skill. Otherwise, they'd have been top fighters. They would have a list of significant wins to their names. Yet, they don't."

 

 

This is why I don't argue with you. I have learned all your angles, and I have used your own opinions, and have asked you to use the same logic on your opinions across the board, which you consistently CANNOT do, which is why you give these ridiculous long winded answers saying a whole lot of nothing.

 

Don't even bother replying to this, and just know I'm going back to quoting 2003-2007 orcus so that people can at least see you weren't always a crazy crazy weird Fedor hater.

 

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"Would give us your opinion that Jose Aldo is better than Fedor because he has more title defenses right? Same for Matt Hughes, same for Miguel Torres?"

No. Can you point me to where I said title defenses outweigh everything else? What exactly did I say title defenses outweigh?

"Do you think beating Frank Mir as a title defense is GREATER than beating Shane Carwin to become the champion?(SIMPLE yes or no answer)"

Nope.

"Actually you CONVENIENTLY left out a certain part of my quote for Agenda purposes: You cannot say that all of Fedor's opponents were equal in skill. You cannot say that all of Anderson's opponents were equal in skill. You can however say, that what some of Fedor's opponents lacked in skill, they had the added variable of size either in weight, height, reach or combination of the three. Can you say that for Anderson's opponents who lacked skill?"

I didn't leave that out at all. In the very next paragraph, I said that I don't really count Anderson's less skilled opponents, just like GSP's win over Dan Hardy does almost nothing for him in the GOAT conversation.

Is this your idea of "owning" me? Blatantly failing to read or understand what I write and then accusing me of ducking your brilliant questions? lol.

What's hilarious is I just pointed out how I already answered the questions I was supposedly avoiding. Meanwhile, you repeatedly fail to answer ANY questions. So I'll ask them again:

Who are all the fighters you have above Anderson as GOAT?

What exactly do you believe is the significance of Anderson not beating guys a couple inches taller?

Which legitimately good heavyweights would you pick to lose to Zulu, Ogawa, Schilt, Hunt, HMC at the time Fedor fought them?

If being big outweighs the lack of skills for those guys, why did they not have more success in MMA when they had such size advantages over most of their opponents?
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Let me get this straight, where exactly is Anderson on your list? Below Fedor, below Igor...I assume below Randy Couture, because he beat loads of guys much bigger than himself...below Cain for sure, below Dan Henderson too maybe?

Where exactly do you put the guy with the most title defenses in MMA history?
Imo, title defenses mean nothing.
Not for Fedor, Anderson, Hughes, GSP, or anybody else.
It's about the obstacles a man overcomes.
"Title defenses" is window dressing. Phone Post 3.0

Title defenses imply several things: that you're fighting a higher level of competition on average than someone in a non-title fight is; that you have more pressure; and that you have less motivation.
I'm not addressing what it implies, I'm addressing the truth of the matter.
Pressure is relative and nearly impossible to differentiate.
Ask any fighter and you've heard it a million times, every fight is the biggest of their career. Phone Post 3.0

You are addressing what it implies, because there is no "truth" to the statement "title defenses mean nothing". Aside from being just another opinion -- like everything else in this discussion -- it's actually literally UN-true, because a title defense MEANS that you're defending the title. It means you're the champion. It means that you're recognized as being the best and/or most accomplished fighter in your promotion.

You are ALWAYS addressing implications in ANY of these arguments. What does fighting bigger opponents "mean"? You give Fedor GOAT because you think fighting bigger guys IMPLIES fighting guys who are harder to beat, and thus the IMPLICATION is that wins over those guys are greater accomplishments.

Its not really about the bigger guys Fedor fought being harder to beat, its about the fact that he was more than willing to fight them.

People ignorantly say that Fedor fought hand-picked opponents as if there was some grand plan to pad his record. The fact is that the heavyweights that Fedor dominated were the best in the world at the time. The ONLY HW that Fedor didn't fight who posed a serious threat was Josh Barnett. Fedor tried to fight Barnett, so that missed opportunity was not his fault.... and please don't mention Couture and Mir because anybody who pays even a little bit of attention knows that Fedor was a horrible matchup for both of those guys.

Fedor's wins over Big Nog and CroCop are really what cement his legacy as the top HW of his era. Wins over Arlovski and Sylvia served to solidify that status, especially since they were dominant and decisive victories.

Anderson does not necessarily lose points for cutting to middleweight for most of his career... but he doesn't gain any either. There is no doubt that Anderson took the best advantage he could by cutting down as far as he realistically could and still be effective. His LHW fights were impressive... but certainly not against top LHW contenders at the time. Had ANderson made the jump to LHW several years ago(like he should have after he cleaned out 185)... I seriously doubt he would have dominated. The bigger, stronger, better wrestlers @ 205 would have been difficult for Anderson to dominate with any consistency. I'm sure he would have won some fights, but I doubt he would have won the belt. He struggled against Sonnen on the ground, and 205 is a murderers row of powerful wrestlers who do much more damage than Sonnen on the ground. Wins over LHWs at 185, Hendo and Belfort, were certainly impressive... but also fights it can be argued would be VERY dangerous for Anderson if they re-matched.

I personally think both Belfort and Hendo could and would beat Anderson at 205 (a weight Anderson fits very comfortably in). Of course, this is only speculation... but its how I see it.

My long-winded point is this.....

It is hard for me to rank Anderson as the GOAT, when he ruled over a historically weak division. The handful of wins that define his greatness (Franklin, Hendo, Belfort), are no greater than the handful of wins that define Fedor's (Nog, Mirko, Arlovski, Sylvia). They are both in the GOAT conversation, but to me a HW automatically gets bonus points just for being a HW. Plus, Fedor was realistically undefeated for a longer period of time, during an era that was closer to pure "NHB" than the modern "MMA" of the UFC.

It is also hard to be overly impressed with Anderson when viewing him next to fighters like Wandy and Hendo who would proudly take on all comers. Wandy had the balls to go toe-to-toe with HWs like Hunt and CroCop, while Hendo had the balls to fight HW greats like Big Nog and Fedor. These guys took the fights, and the risks, just because that is the kind of "fighters" they truly are, deep down. --- I just don't see Anderson willing to take on those risks. Anderson was much more willing to talk about a superfight with the smaller GSP, while he avioded any serious talks about fighting the bigger John Jones. This does make sense... Ithink Anderson beats GSP and loses to Jones. But avoiding Jones doesn't earn him any bonus points.

Its all a matter of opinion really. Some of us more old-school guys view drastic weight-cutting as a type of cop-out. While it certainly makes sense from a strategic perspective... it doesn't earn any points in the "balls" category.

I rank Anderson in the top 5 greatest fighters ever. He pretty much has to be there. I also rank him as the greatest middleweight of all time. BUT... Fedor's run is still more impressive to me. I also consider Vanderlei Silva's dominant run in Pride to be more impressive than Anderson's in the UFC.

Its all a matter of opinion really. But Fedor would have fought anybody, even much larger fighters. Anderson picked and chose his LHW opponents just as much as people accuse Fedor of "handpicking" opponents.

Muhammad Ali is arguably "greater" than Sugar Ray Robinson..... mostly because Ali was a heavyweight. The best HW fighter is the best fighter period, and the "greatest" HW gets more "greatness" points than the greatest middleweight.

Thats my rant :)
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Should have been "Wanderlei"....

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"The fact is that the heavyweights that Fedor dominated were the best in the world at the time."

Are you saying with a straight face that Fujita, Ogawa, Zulu, Hunt, Randleman were the best HWs in the world at the time Fedor fought them?

"Fedor's wins over Big Nog and CroCop are really what cement his legacy as the top HW of his era. "

Those are certainly the most impressive wins of his career without question. I don't think anyone can even argue that, which is why it's funny when some just keep harping on fighting the "big guys". There's a reason Nog and Crocop are Fedor's biggest wins by a country mile and why none of those "giants" are EVER mentioned in a discussion of the best heavyweights.

"205 is a murderers row of powerful wrestlers who do much more damage than Sonnen on the ground. "

It is? Other than Jon Jones, who on earth are you describing?

"I personally think both Belfort and Hendo could and would beat Anderson at 205 (a weight Anderson fits very comfortably in)."

Why is that? Since you no doubt think Anderson is "naturally" bigger than both guys, and thus must logically be cutting more than they are at 185, why do you think they would have the advantage with less of a cut?

" Some of us more old-school guys view drastic weight-cutting as a type of cop-out."

What do you consider "drastic"? That is, what would a guy have to weigh on fight night for a middleweight fight for you to consider him to have cut "drastic" weight?

"But Fedor would have fought anybody, even much larger fighters. "

The same goes for all heavyweights.

"Muhammad Ali is arguably "greater" than Sugar Ray Robinson..... mostly because Ali was a heavyweight. "

Not many serious boxing historians would agree with you.

"the "greatest" HW gets more "greatness" points than the greatest middleweight."

This is actually the exact opposite of the whole point of "GOAT" or "p4p" talks.
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I think you put more emphasis on accomplishments, than you do of fighting dangerous opponents.

And you come out of left field with "when did I say title defenses outweigh everything else"? Who the hell said you said they outweigh everything else? This is you trying to put words I did not say
 
gokudamus stole my name iv - "Can you point me to where I said title defenses outweigh everything else? What exactly did I say title defenses outweigh?
READINGCOMPREHENSION. I said you put more empahsis on accomplishments(such as title defenses), and your genius self tries to make it seem like I am the one saying you said title defenses outweight everything else.
 
 
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Fedor fought 1-3 top 5 contenders a year? Really? That's weird because he only had three title defenses in his entire career and one of those was a rematch. Who were these top 5 contenders? Zulu? Coleman? Randleman? Hunt? Ogawa? Goodridge? Fujita? Can you show me any rankings that had any of them in the top 5?
 
 
gokudamus stole my name iv - Title defenses imply several things: that you're fighting a higher level of competition on average than someone in a non-title fight is; that you have more pressure; and that you have less motivation.
 
 
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Losing to Mark Hunt would've been just as bad for Fedor as Anderson losing to Thales Leites.
 
Like I said, you are CONSISTANTLY INCONSISTENT.  You had two separate post where YOU are the one talking about Fedor's few title defenses(despite conveniently leaving out he fought several guys higher caliber than guys GSP/Anderson faced while still holding the belt).  
You IMPLY that title defenses mean you are fighting a higher level of competition.

 

So inconsistent

 
 
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I don't consider Anderson's opponents who lacked skill. Why would I? Anderson isn't a GOAT contender because he beat Patrick Cote, just like GSP's win over Dan Hardy does nothing for him. 
 

"Why would you"?

Because you said this shit within 24 hours ago!!

 
 
gokudamus stole my name iv - Title defenses imply several things: that you're fighting a higher level of competition on average than someone in a non-title fight is; that you have more pressure; and that you have less motivation.
 
 

That is the epitome of how you discredit/debate Fedor.  You downplay Fedor because he's only had "3 title defenses".  

Then I ask you since your ARGUMENT is Fedor isn't great b/c of his # of title defenses, then under that SAME logic using YOUR emphasis on title defenses, all of a sudden "where did I say title defenses outweigh everything".

 

 

Dude, come on man. I cannot waste my time on such nonsense. I am the king of showing the UG how orcus contradicts himself, but on this thread, I did it within 24hours. That's how good I'm getting.

But it is more time consuming and less rewarding. I get more amusement by showing positive orcus quotes than I do explaining how contradictory your "logic" is.

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Like I said, you put more emphasis on accomplishments(such as title defense), than you do on the danger of the opponent.

 

So if you don't put emphasis on title defenses, and instead are going by the quality of opponents

 

Are you willing to rank Fedor's opponents from his worst to best, and do the same for Anderson?

 

Like you would put Zulu towards the bottom of Fedor's list, and you'd have Nog towards the top.

You'd have Cote towards the bottom of Anderson's list, and you'd have Rich Franklin towards the top(you bash Hendo so much I don't want you to CONTRADICT yourself and list him at the top of Anderson's list).

 

I tried to go to my old legend comparison thread, but b/c it's a POLL I cannot click on that thread. I'm pretty sure however someone conveniently listed all of their opponents and it was easier to see the breakdown, maybe you could open that thread, I can't.

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Can someone do me a favor and click this link and see if it redirects them to the main page, or the thread?

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&thread=1903388

or if you're a blue, can you extend the search timeframe from 1 month to 12 months, and in the thread title type in legend comparison

Then see if you are able to click the thread and open it from the search url.

 

I'm trying to figure out if this is happening to just me or everyone. Thanks.

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"And you come out of left field with "when did I say title defenses outweigh everything else"? Who the hell said you said they outweigh everything else? This is you trying to put words I did not say"

Left field? Putting words into your mouth? This is literally your quote that I responded to: ""Jose Aldo is better than Fedor because he has more title defenses right? Same for Matt Hughes, same for Miguel Torres?""

You are asking if I put Aldo, Hughes, and Torres above Fedor "because [they] have more title defenses". In other words, your question makes no sense whatsoever unless you are assuming I put title defenses above everything else. Otherwise, what are you asking? You mentioned zero that those guys have over Fedor other than title defenses and assume I must have them over him because of those defenses. But yeah, you never implied I think title defenses outweigh everything else! Hilariously, you then in your very next post say "Then I ask you since your ARGUMENT is Fedor isn't great b/c of his # of title defenses, then under that SAME logic using YOUR emphasis on title defenses" -- thus admitting that's exactly what you were saying. But nope, don't want to put words in your mouth!

"Losing to Mark Hunt would've been just as bad for Fedor as Anderson losing to Thales Leites."

Why, because Hunt is fat? Mark Hunt was a 5-2 kickboxer with no wrestling and no grappling, coming directly off a fight where he was submitted in seconds, going up against a guy whose specialty was takedown to GnP or submission. Thales Leites was a 14-1 brazilian jiujitsu blackbelt going up against a striker who was widely believed to have poor takedown defense and possibly suspect grappling (at least according to those who like to trumpet his sub losses to Takase and Chonan).

"Because you said this shit within 24 hours ago!"

Are you high? My quote that YOU pasted says "higher level of competition ON AVERAGE than someone in a non-title fight." How is this contradicted by Anderson defending against a couple B-level guys?

Franklin in the rematch was what, #2 or #3? Henderson was probably #2, Vitor was #2 or #3, Sonnen was I don't know, top 5, Weidman was top 5 I think, Maia was top 5...those are the world rankings of Anderson's opponents in his title fights. Cote and Leites aren't going to drag down that AVERAGE too much. Who is going to have a string of non-title fights with that high an AVERAGE level of opponent?

"You downplay Fedor because he's only had "3 title defenses". "

This is an absolutely FANTASTIC example of your woeful reading comprehension and freakish twisting of everything you read.

Someone said Fedor fought 3-5 top contenders a year. I pointed out that he only had 3 title defenses in his entire career, so how could he have been fighting all those "top contenders" each year -- i.e., why would they not have been title fights? And I asked the poster to list those 3-5 "top contenders" Fedor fought each year, which of course he never did. Just like you won't. Or should I say, like you can't.

"Then I ask you since your ARGUMENT is Fedor isn't great b/c of his # of title defenses"

Paste where I made that argument.

You are a joke. It's amazing you can use a computer. You are so utterly blinded by your fetishistic worship of Fedor and your disturbing obsession with me that you have lost any ability to comprehend anything you read, no matter how plainly it is put.

Take a break bro. Step back from the computer. You keep saying I dodged questions while your own posts quote my answers. You tell me I'm putting words in your mouth and then you turn around and say you said exactly what I said you did. It's sad.
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so you scared to rank both anderson and fedor's opponents i take it?

 

because you know putting them head to head would mean Anderson's opponents, despite more of them being "title defenses", are not as dangerous as Fedor's opponents.

 

You are 41yrs old, and every Friday night you are on the internet discrediting Fedor, week in and week out.

 

I'm a proud father of 2 and I choose to stay here with my boys instead of going out and being irresponsible, what is your excuse?

1/11/14 12:20 AM
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I'm an mma fan, defending a great fighter.

You claim to be an mma fan, yet go more out of your way to discredit Fedor than ANYONE makes post about any other topic.  You know this is true.

 

You are very insecure man. I would actually try to help you, but you are so insecure you are too afraid to admit you have problems. You are not normal man.  If you admitted it, we could go forward and try to find the root of your problem. This is why for YEARS you are still doing the same bad habits. 

It certainly doesn't make you happy, I can tell by the "douchbag241" and "dumdum241" comments, yet you continue to put yourself through this, week after week.  

I hope eventually I will annoy you to where you realize...."fuck man, all this talk about Fedor, especially to the same people, is really not healthy for me".

 

If you could past this, you would be a healthier person. I would never ask you to claim Fedor is the goat. I'm just asking for you to acknowledge your abnormal obsession, and try to cure it bro.

 

If you stopped this obsessive discrediting of Fedor every chance, you would show so much more of your good side.  These threads bring out the worst in you man. And I honestly wonder if you even realize it.

 

 

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lol @ "and lol some more"
hahahahaha
See, this is what separates the men from the boys.I can address the separate posters with different viewpoints rather than cramming various opinions together, don't need rankings to tell me how good a fighter is, don't need hype to recognize a matchup, ect. .
Weidman was "ranked" #8 after defeating Munoz, then #1 when matched up for the title. How's that work?
Tell me, what's the significance of ranking when they're changed overnight.
They're no less corrupt than your average politician.

"Barely ranked top ten".
I can't have an intelligible conversation with anyone who uses the word "ranked" as a foundation, although if I did, even in Zuffa world I'd still have a strong argument.
It tells me they simply do not know what they're seeing on their own.
Or "A HW who lost to a middleweight".
Dude, they're all just fighters.
When you get in a fight, do you say "the guy was like, a middleweight man, and I'm just a welterweight."
Now, if you're talking 50+ pounds, or 8" taller, then you're talking. That is something Fedor has done, and Anderson has not, plain and simple. Anderson stayed in MW world strategically.
Now if you think HMC sucked, that's your prerogative, but the dude was like 13-3 and previous K-1 champ against a slough of tough opponents before his surgery.

Ask Mirko Cro Cop or Fedor if they felt as if they dodged a bullet. Watch Fedor's face and reaction after the fight. I'll describe it for you..."WHEW!"
It's common fucking sense that a gigantic 7'6" K-1 fighter is a mountain to overcome for ANYONE.
Lol @ "zero ground game", ect.
Yes, obviously Semmy Schilt is scared of my daughter because of her purple belt in Judo.

Just curious...and this is for posterity, so, be honest.
Since you don't think much of HMC (after the Baldfather calls him a freakshow, so you jump on the bandwagon, remember?), tell me, who do you think Anderson Silva would rather face? :

- Hong Man Choi or

1) Travis "Michael Jordan" Lutter
2) Patrick Cote
3) Damien Maia
4) Stephan Bonnar
5) Forrest Griffin
6) Ryo Chonan
7) Luiz Azerado
8) Daiju Takase
9) Chael Sonnen
10) Thales Leites
11) James Irvin
12) Chris Leben
13) Anthony Fryklund
14) Lee Murray
15) Roan Carniero
16) Jose Barreto
17) Raimundo Pinheiro
18) Tetsuji Kato
19) Israel Albuquerque, aaaaaand
20) let's go with.....Waldir Dos Anjos

So, just to be clear, any or all of these 20 fighters(or others I could name) you think are more impressive?
Just want to be sure we're on the same page here, or if I misunderstood?

"You bought into the whole GOAT hook line and sinker"

Yeah, way to make an original accusation. At least wait a few posts before outing yourself.
Yep, the whole lot of us English speaking dudes and dudettes saw this Russian dude, and were overwhelmed and brainwashed by the Japanese and Russian language mesmerizing us with GOAT talk.
Kinda hard to say that out loud, isn't it?
What GOAT talk are you referring to?
Was it Pride, M-1, Bodog, Affliction, or Strikeforce?

Every news media outlet at any point after Affliction 1 stated:
"It's clear Fedor doesn't have to go to the UFC to prove himself, indeed, it's the UFC that has to come to him", but again, I didn't need to hear what I already knew.

The Pro-Fedor movement out-brainwashed the Zuffa hype machine. haha

Let's do this..... Why don't you list alllll the PRO FIGHTERS who've praised Fedor's record, accomplishments, legacy, ect., and put them up against Anderson's.
Would that help?
No?

How about this:
Take a poll in BRAZIL of who is the GOAT.
No?
Still doesn't work?

Now, per who would NOT steamroll who...
can't even address this, you've completely missed the point.For one thing, we're comparing Anderson to Fedor, not Fedor to Cain, Nog, Cormier, Bigfoot, Barnett, JDS, Werdum, and fuck, throw Randy in there too!

It would have been better to ask me "Would Anderson not have steamrolled Zulu, Ogawa, HMC, Semmy, Goodridge, ect."
And my answer, is

NO

Anderson is a fantastic fighter and personality for mma,
MW GOAT for me for sure.
But GOAT status goes to the men that can kick the widest range of asses on the planet, imo.
P4P is a discussion I tend to lean toward the guys that weigh in at barely over a happy meal.
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Let's just get right to the point.

Nobody wants 57 of Anderson's kids...:p
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onepunchJD - Should have been "Wanderlei"....

OOPS!!

ONE PUNCH SIGHTING!!!

VU for coming outta the cellar!
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sparkuri - lol @ "and lol some more"
hahahahaha
See, this is what separates the men from the boys.I can address the separate posters with different viewpoints rather than cramming various opinions together, don't need rankings to tell me how good a fighter is, don't need hype to recognize a matchup, ect. .
Weidman was "ranked" #8 after defeating Munoz, then #1 when matched up for the title. How's that work?
Tell me, what's the significance of ranking when they're changed overnight.
They're no less corrupt than your average politician.

"Barely ranked top ten".
I can't have an intelligible conversation with anyone who uses the word "ranked" as a foundation, although if I did, even in Zuffa world I'd still have a strong argument.
It tells me they simply do not know what they're seeing on their own.
Or "A HW who lost to a middleweight".
Dude, they're all just fighters.
When you get in a fight, do you say "the guy was like, a middleweight man, and I'm just a welterweight."
Now, if you're talking 50+ pounds, or 8" taller, then you're talking. That is something Fedor has done, and Anderson has not, plain and simple. Anderson stayed in MW world strategically.
Now if you think HMC sucked, that's your prerogative, but the dude was like 13-3 and previous K-1 champ against a slough of tough opponents before his surgery.

Ask Mirko Cro Cop or Fedor if they felt as if they dodged a bullet. Watch Fedor's face and reaction after the fight. I'll describe it for you..."WHEW!"
It's common fucking sense that a gigantic 7'6" K-1 fighter is a mountain to overcome for ANYONE.
Lol @ "zero ground game", ect.
Yes, obviously Semmy Schilt is scared of my daughter because of her purple belt in Judo.

Just curious...and this is for posterity, so, be honest.
Since you don't think much of HMC (after the Baldfather calls him a freakshow, so you jump on the bandwagon, remember?), tell me, who do you think Anderson Silva would rather face? :

- Hong Man Choi or

1) Travis "Michael Jordan" Lutter
2) Patrick Cote
3) Damien Maia
4) Stephan Bonnar
5) Forrest Griffin
6) Ryo Chonan
7) Luiz Azerado
8) Daiju Takase
9) Chael Sonnen
10) Thales Leites
11) James Irvin
12) Chris Leben
13) Anthony Fryklund
14) Lee Murray
15) Roan Carniero
16) Jose Barreto
17) Raimundo Pinheiro
18) Tetsuji Kato
19) Israel Albuquerque, aaaaaand
20) let's go with.....Waldir Dos Anjos

So, just to be clear, any or all of these 20 fighters(or others I could name) you think are more impressive?
Just want to be sure we're on the same page here, or if I misunderstood?

"You bought into the whole GOAT hook line and sinker"

Yeah, way to make an original accusation. At least wait a few posts before outing yourself.
Yep, the whole lot of us English speaking dudes and dudettes saw this Russian dude, and were overwhelmed and brainwashed by the Japanese and Russian language mesmerizing us with GOAT talk.
Kinda hard to say that out loud, isn't it?
What GOAT talk are you referring to?
Was it Pride, M-1, Bodog, Affliction, or Strikeforce?

Every news media outlet at any point after Affliction 1 stated:
"It's clear Fedor doesn't have to go to the UFC to prove himself, indeed, it's the UFC that has to come to him", but again, I didn't need to hear what I already knew.

The Pro-Fedor movement out-brainwashed the Zuffa hype machine. haha

Let's do this..... Why don't you list alllll the PRO FIGHTERS who've praised Fedor's record, accomplishments, legacy, ect., and put them up against Anderson's.
Would that help?
No?

How about this:
Take a poll in BRAZIL of who is the GOAT.
No?
Still doesn't work?

Now, per who would NOT steamroll who...
can't even address this, you've completely missed the point.For one thing, we're comparing Anderson to Fedor, not Fedor to Cain, Nog, Cormier, Bigfoot, Barnett, JDS, Werdum, and fuck, throw Randy in there too!

It would have been better to ask me "Would Anderson not have steamrolled Zulu, Ogawa, HMC, Semmy, Goodridge, ect."
And my answer, is

NO

Anderson is a fantastic fighter and personality for mma,
MW GOAT for me for sure.
But GOAT status goes to the men that can kick the widest range of asses on the planet, imo.
P4P is a discussion I tend to lean toward the guys that weigh in at barely over a happy meal.

I take back what I said. Sparkuri and I have 50% ownership of orcus. He just became a partner with that epic ownage.

 

One thing we should all be greatful for, is even though I try to undiscredit Fedor often, I still praise the shit out of Anderson, both on here, and to my friends and sons.

My sons own an Anderson Silva action figure, and they love watching him fight. 

 

Anderson is a very entertaining fighter, one of the most entertaining.

He's more entertaining than Gary Goodridge, and Big Daddy is entertaining, but I think Anderson would lose to Gary in an mma fight.

 

I don't put in multiple names for "who are my top 3 Goats". There is only 1, FEDOR.

Anderson can be more exciting than many others, can be more accomplished than many others, but I'm sorry, yes, guys like Cain, Igor, Gary Goodridge, Semmy Schilt, Choi, Coleman, etc.....are more dangerous fighters than Anderson.

 

 


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