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1/8/14 12:06 AM
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"It's about not being able to let an opportunity to discredit Fedor pass."

No, it's about not being able to let a moronic and unsupportable statement pass.

lol @ the mindset that says "all your points are perfectly legitimate, but I don't like that you make them all the time, so I'm going to say you're crazy and I'm going to stalk you and bring up everything you ever said over 10 years every time you post -- because you're crazy, not me!"
1/8/14 12:07 AM
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Because everyone has posting habits like you orcus?

 

You just don't get it man. You are different. There's a reason why the bus you rode to school was shorter than the rest.

1/8/14 12:09 AM
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Aaah the good ol' GOAT threads, they're all the same. Phone Post 3.0
1/8/14 12:10 AM
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Hey, did anyone else notice what I noticed about orcus on this thread?

 

He had no idea "when" his mind changed on Fedor. It's certain and confirmed that he has, but as far as the timeline...."he can't remember".

 

But then I quote a post of his, and orcus rips off his marvel comics t-shirt, size extra small, dun dun dun duunnnn, it's "Super memory orcus to the rescue", and he remembers that a quote of his years ago was "sarcasm".

 

Then in regards to a thread I made 2 or 3 years ago, he remembers specifics on the OP, and specifics about something I could not edit b/c it was in a poll(as I stated in the thread).

 

Yet it's "cloudy" when he turned on Fedor.

 

I just find his consistent inconsistency entertaining :)

1/8/14 12:13 AM
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Btw orcus, it's threads like this that make you HATE me. 

But one thing you will never grasp, is you have only yourself to blame.

All my material comes from you.

 

Me vs orcus is like UFC 37.  I make orcus be wrong by pointing out where orcus was right.

orcus vs orcus-When Worlds Collide

1/8/14 12:14 AM
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"Because everyone has posting habits like you orcus?"

No, of course they don't. For example, while I don't let stupid, insupportable statements pass, many of you choose instead to focus your own posting on getting repeatedly, childishly worked up over my corrections and reasoned arguments. While I "can't resist" correcting stupid posts about Fedor, you all "can't resist" crying about him being "discredited", even if no "discrediting" has taken place whatsoever. I'm sure to anyone outside the MMA forum universe, we'd both seem ridiculous, but you all would seem downright pathetic with your endless, emotional and irrational responses to someone correcting what are usually demonstrably false or at least patently stupid statements.
1/8/14 12:16 AM
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"He had no idea "when" his mind changed on Fedor. It's certain and confirmed that he has, but as far as the timeline...."he can't remember"."

Yes, I don't mark my posts down on a calendar like you do.

"he remembers that a quote of his years ago was "sarcasm"."

lol...I know my own posting style, and I know that was a ridiculous comment even if it had been made back when I thought Fedor was GOAT (which it wasn't).

"Then in regards to a thread I made 2 or 3 years ago, he remembers specifics on the OP, and specifics about something I could not edit b/c it was in a poll(as I stated in the thread)."

Again, I don't remember the date. I do remember that the first time I became aware of your existence was when you got butthurt over something you should have been thankful for, prompting you to stalk me for years, collect every post I've ever made here, and even demand to see a photo of me for god knows what creepy reason.

So, yeah, probably no one else "noticed" what you "noticed", by which I mean, no one else drew drunken conclusions from their own misunderstandings of what should be obvious.
1/8/14 12:22 AM
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What's funny is that Jack Slack, the universally respected writer whom D241 defends here, said in his article something that, if I or any other regular poster here said it in one of these threads, would without question draw weepy shrieks of "discrediting!" from D241 and the rest of his idiot brigade. "It is more an indictment of how sloppy the heavyweight division was that he was able to defeat three more top-10 opponents (in Sylvia, Arlovski and Brett Rogers)" -- OMG! Discrediting the division to take away from those incredible wins!
1/8/14 12:26 AM
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Surely you of all people aren't trying to discredit the heavyweight division.....tisk tisk....

 

 
orcus - "That said, he doesn't finish, which clearly makes him less dominant in his weight class."By your logic, maybe it shows the DEPTH of the HW division because they are all so tough and hard to finish. "Aurelio was probably borderline top 10.. but he just beat #1 GOMI. this shows DEPTH in the division."lol -- why do I have the feeling that if a "borderline top 10" fighter choked out Fedor that it would show that Fedor was laughably over-rated rather than that the division has "DEPTH"? Gomi beats all the LWs = shows his dominance. Fedor beats all the HWs = shows how thin the division is. Gomi gets beat = shows depth of his division, making his dominance even more impressive. Fedor gets beat = shows he isn't that great.Todd and MrColdCock are right on -- guys like Nog, Arlovski, Crocop, possibly Alexander, Barnett, Hunt soon could all beat each other on any given night. But no one, apparently, can touch Fedor.
 
 
1/8/14 12:39 AM
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What's funny is seeing you post and repost things you think are "gotchas" but it really just shows how poor your reading comprehension is. I was ridiculing EY's absurdly contradictory positions on what a streak of wins meant for Gomi vs Fedor, and what losses meant for Gomi versus what they would mean for Fedor.

Both guys' streaks meant they were at the top of their divisions in their organizations at the time. Losses for either would be cause for re-evaluating one's estimation of their abilities.

The "correct" stance is certainly not that a loss for either guy should indicate that their division must have great depth and they're even better than we thought.
1/8/14 12:40 AM
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Dumdum241, was Jack Slack discrediting Fedor when he said ""It is more an indictment of how sloppy the heavyweight division was that he was able to defeat three more top-10 opponents (in Sylvia, Arlovski and Brett Rogers)"?

Keep in mind that Sylvia and Arlovski are literally the third and fourth best fighters Fedor ever beat in his career, and Jack Slack just characterized his wins over them, or at least their top 10 rankings, as "more an indictment of how sloppy the heavyweight division was".

How do you feel about that? Does it make you angry? Or is it okay because he rarely posts here?
1/8/14 1:37 AM
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It's funny that Jack's article encouraged us to appreciate the legacy and strategic influence of both of these great fighters rather than bicker about who's better.

Yet, everyone bickers about who's better.

Such is human nature I suppose.

Kick ass article, Jack.

We are lucky to have your threads here. Phone Post 3.0
1/8/14 2:58 AM
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I feel your obsession is as strong as it ever was orcus.

It's 2014, and just look at how passionately you try to discredit Fedor.

 

Marvelous, just marvelous.

1/8/14 4:24 AM
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I feel your obsession is as strong as it ever was orcus.

It's 2014, and just look at how passionately you try to discredit Fedor.

 

Marvelous, just marvelous.


I don't think there's any passion behind orcus's arguments; I strongly doubt that he even believes much of what he says. The evidence tells me that he's a poster paid to push Zuffa's agenda, which would mean that his obsession over Fedor is actually just business.
1/8/14 8:40 AM
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I feel your obsession is as strong as it ever was orcus.

It's 2014, and just look at how passionately you try to discredit Fedor.

 

Marvelous, just marvelous.


Passion? No, it takes little or no "passion" to correct dumb people.

You are the one who is emotional, since you come into these threads and immediately go far off-topic by addressing nothing of the topic, but only repeating your broken record about me and your wild fantasies about why I post what I post. When, of course, I will gladly tell anyone why I post what I post, no armchair psychology necessary.

For example, in this thread, someone said "Fedor easily...he beat giants, olympians, and champions", which prompted me to point out how silly that was as a reason to have Fedor "easily" as the GOAT -- for reasons already explained.
1/8/14 8:41 AM
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Dumdum241, was Jack Slack discrediting Fedor when he said ""It is more an indictment of how sloppy the heavyweight division was that he was able to defeat three more top-10 opponents (in Sylvia, Arlovski and Brett Rogers)"?

Keep in mind that Sylvia and Arlovski are literally the third and fourth best fighters Fedor ever beat in his career, and Jack Slack just characterized the significance of his wins over them as "more an indictment of how sloppy the heavyweight division was".

How do you feel about that? Does it make you angry? Or is it okay because he rarely posts here and thus you don't have to be concerned about whether his comment, true or not, was indicative of an "obsession" no his part?
1/8/14 10:41 AM
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I find it interesting that D wont address what Orcus keeps asking about JS comment about the HW division... Phone Post 3.0
1/8/14 11:34 AM
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THERE WAS A GLITCH IN THE MATRiX - I'd like to know more of what JS meant by that comment 1st!
Pretty obvious. Phone Post 3.0
1/8/14 12:46 PM
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He was very clear what he meant. He was saying that those wins were less due to Fedor's GOAT-ness -- as, in Jack's words, he was at that time "showing none of the skills that made him great" -- and more due to just how bad the heavyweight division was.
1/8/14 1:19 PM
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Lol, you probably really do think I was over emotional in this thread.

Even though I debated with you zero times. All I did, as quote you and quote you. You are the one going on and on about shit you've more than likely already said in prior discussions. Talk about me being a broken record-HA!

 

Keep telling yourself that "dumdum241" is the emotional one on this thread.

1/8/14 4:29 PM
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Lol, you probably really do think I was over emotional in this thread.

Even though I debated with you zero times. All I did, as quote you and quote you. You are the one going on and on about shit you've more than likely already said in prior discussions. Talk about me being a broken record-HA!

 

Keep telling yourself that "dumdum241" is the emotional one on this thread.


What kind of mental disorder does it take to see "debate" as "emotional", but not the obsessive fantasizing about a stranger's mindset and motivations, complete with keeping a personal file of that person's posts spanning a decade, painstakingly collected over months?
1/8/14 5:07 PM
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You have to be aware that all my quotes come from a thread I've already done a long time ago.

I stopped digging up dirt on you a LOOOONG time ago. I got enough of what I need, and I use it.

It's way easier.

 

All the time I spent collecting has already paid off and then some. It takes no time for me to find one thread I made that has tons of "orcus gems" in there. You know which thread I'm referring to as well, quit playing dumb.

 

Now, back to saying how emotional I am by you making long winded post and personal insults lol....

1/8/14 6:10 PM
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You have to be aware that all my quotes come from a thread I've already done a long time ago.

I stopped digging up dirt on you a LOOOONG time ago. I got enough of what I need, and I use it.

It's way easier.

 

All the time I spent collecting has already paid off and then some. It takes no time for me to find one thread I made that has tons of "orcus gems" in there. You know which thread I'm referring to as well, quit playing dumb.

 

Now, back to saying how emotional I am by you making long winded post and personal insults lol....


The fact remains that one of us debates MMA topics on an MMA forum using facts and logic.

The other obsesses over another poster and makes off-topic posts imagining what said poster thinks and feels, and rushes to post this nonsense every time that poster makes any kind of rational post.

So, yes, you're the emotional one.
1/8/14 6:11 PM
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"fedor fought people bigger them him,"

He fought some people taller than him and a few who were heavier than him. He also fought many people lighter than himself.

Reach is one aspect of "size". The only one that is relevant as far as divisions in this sport is weight, and there is no evidence that Anderson outweighed many of his opponents.
1/8/14 6:47 PM
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Stuven Farlow - fedor fought people bigger them him, anderson fought people smaller then him (watch his highlight he has the reach on every opponenet)
No he didnt. Phone Post 3.0

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