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1/16/14 6:02 AM
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First... I'm not saying I believe this, it's just a what if...

But, could you imagine if GSP, the golden boy, professional, gentleman, icon, champion, was found out to be a steroid abuser? Imagine the ramifications.

The sad thing is, with the landscape of modern sports today, I wouldn't be that surprised. It happens so much in other sports, it would almost be fitting.
Live strong. Phone Post 3.0
1/16/14 6:16 AM
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Get ready for abuse.You're not allowed criticism when it comes to GSP on the UG. Phone Post 3.0
1/16/14 6:21 AM
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You have a flawed understanding of the issue.

1. LA was not just a PEDs user, he sued people, he ruined careers, he kept money that should have gone to charity.

2. LA rode a bicycle among other PEDs users. He did not use his PEDs to hit people.

GSP has been a stand up guy, he seems to be honest and has integrity. Do you think he'd be stepping down if he was using PEDs? Possibly.

IF GSP used PEDs to train, and tapered to fight, I suppose I could forgive him, but again, when you taper is when the effects are most pronounced.

I don't think fighters should use strength enhancement PEDs. I don't have a problem with them using limited recovery PEDs.

Ban hGH, Test, anabolic steroids and EPO. One use and you're suspended for a year. Two and it's two years. Three and you're out.

Allow cortisone, IGF-1 and other recovery PEDs (but not hGH).

So it depends on what GSP might have used for me to critize him.

 

1/16/14 6:21 AM
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What's the point of such ridiculous what-if speculation?
1/16/14 6:33 AM
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Let the hate begin, haha.
The point is there is no point. It's a what if. Marion Jones, Pettite, McGwire, Shawne Merriman, Sosa, Ben Johnson, Armstrong, Clemens, A-Rod....
The list goes goes on and on. It happens.
Listen, I'm a huge fan of GSP, I was just thinking how fucking crazy it would be if that happened on that level in this sport. Don't lynch me guys. Just stirring the pot for discussion. Phone Post 3.0
1/16/14 6:37 AM
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Elite Hunting - What's the point of such ridiculous what-if speculation?
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1/16/14 6:44 AM
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Elite Hunting - What's the point of such ridiculous what-if speculation?
Discussion? Phone Post 3.0

Discussion of something that has no basis in fact? No evidence to even begin speculation? Why don't we discuss OP's fascination with child pornography? Or your love of beastiality? By your reasoning, those are topics that are just as legitimate.
1/16/14 6:44 AM
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to me this is a vada vs wada issue.. big $$ to be made... pawns will be used on both sides.
1/16/14 6:47 AM
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Elite Hunting - What's the point of such ridiculous what-if speculation?
Discussion? Phone Post 3.0

Discussion of something that has no basis in fact? No evidence to even begin speculation? Why don't we discuss OP's fascination with child pornography? Or your love of beastiality? By your reasoning, those are topics that are just as legitimate.
Somebody needs a nap. Phone Post 3.0
1/16/14 6:49 AM
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madmav - to me this is a vada vs wada issue.. big $$ to be made... pawns will be used on both sides.
I could definitely see that. Phone Post 3.0
1/16/14 6:53 AM
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Lee Murrays Cell Mate - Let the hate begin, haha.
The point is there is no point. It's a what if. Marion Jones, Pettite, McGwire, Shawne Merriman, Sosa, Ben Johnson, Armstrong, Clemens, A-Rod....
The list goes goes on and on. It happens.
Listen, I'm a huge fan of GSP, I was just thinking how fucking crazy it would be if that happened on that level in this sport. Don't lynch me guys. Just stirring the pot for discussion. Phone Post 3.0

You said it yourself, it's happened a bunch of times with athletes who are far more popular and recognizable.  If it came out GSP did use PEDs then I doubt it would be the big deal you make it out to be.  It wouldn't be the first or even second time a UFC champ was found to have used so how would that be crazy on this level of the sport?  If Royce Gracie testing positive didn't destroy the MMA world when it happened then I doubt GSP doing so would end the sport.  It's nothing new.

1/16/14 7:00 AM
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Lee Murrays Cell Mate - Let the hate begin, haha.
The point is there is no point. It's a what if. Marion Jones, Pettite, McGwire, Shawne Merriman, Sosa, Ben Johnson, Armstrong, Clemens, A-Rod....
The list goes goes on and on. It happens.
Listen, I'm a huge fan of GSP, I was just thinking how fucking crazy it would be if that happened on that level in this sport. Don't lynch me guys. Just stirring the pot for discussion. Phone Post 3.0

You said it yourself, it's happened a bunch of times with athletes who are far more popular and recognizable.  If it came out GSP did use PEDs then I doubt it would be the big deal you make it out to be.  It wouldn't be the first or even second time a UFC champ was found to have used so how would that be crazy on this level of the sport?  If Royce Gracie testing positive didn't destroy the MMA world when it happened then I doubt GSP doing so would end the sport.  It's nothing new.

You may be right. When did Royce pop? I think GSP popping may be bigger just because the sport has grown so much and GSP is always in the discussion of all time pound for pound. But fans do have a way of forgiving their idols/heroes. Now if it happened during his reign that would be a much larger issue. Phone Post 3.0
1/16/14 7:07 AM
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Chances are either GSP and/or a handful of his teammates have used PED's either in the past or present...thats just the reality of this sport.

That is why is is puzzling why he would speak out against their use now.
1/16/14 7:08 AM
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duckhuntgangsta - What if my choad smelled like your mother's face? Phone Post 3.0
Then you'd have one smelly fu*king choad cause my mother's dead. Phone Post 3.0
1/16/14 7:16 AM
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Elite Hunting - What's the point of such ridiculous what-if speculation?
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Discussion of something that has no basis in fact? No evidence to even begin speculation? Why don't we discuss OP's fascination with child pornography? Or your love of beastiality? By your reasoning, those are topics that are just as legitimate.
I think you mixed us up, you sicko. He's into bestiality and I'm into child p0rnography. Phone Post 3.0
1/16/14 7:41 AM
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georges has definitely ruffled some feathers. he's got all the beta males up in arms again. They are whining about the stigma attatched to dirty "athletes", but none of them are putting thier resouces together to create thier own promotion in which the only sponsors allowed are the drug companies that make the events possible.


1/16/14 7:56 AM
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So because GSP tried to implement VADA testing there is no conceivable way he could ever cheat? Wouldn't that be the best misdirection there is?
1/16/14 7:58 AM
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You have a flawed understanding of the issue.

1. LA was not just a PEDs user, he sued people, he ruined careers, he kept money that should have gone to charity.

2. LA rode a bicycle among other PEDs users. He did not use his PEDs to hit people.

GSP has been a stand up guy, he seems to be honest and has integrity. Do you think he'd be stepping down if he was using PEDs? Possibly.

IF GSP used PEDs to train, and tapered to fight, I suppose I could forgive him, but again, when you taper is when the effects are most pronounced.

I don't think fighters should use strength enhancement PEDs. I don't have a problem with them using limited recovery PEDs.

Ban hGH, Test, anabolic steroids and EPO. One use and you're suspended for a year. Two and it's two years. Three and you're out.

Allow cortisone, IGF-1 and other recovery PEDs (but not hGH).

So it depends on what GSP might have used for me to critize him.

 

Gsp cheated before and everyone forgot about that lol they still say he's a role model and honest guy lmao so Gsp nutthuggers will give him a pass. Phone Post 3.0
1/16/14 8:09 AM
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GSP is never coming back anyway.
1/16/14 8:12 AM
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WidespreadPanic - 

You have a flawed understanding of the issue.

1. LA was not just a PEDs user, he sued people, he ruined careers, he kept money that should have gone to charity.

2. LA rode a bicycle among other PEDs users. He did not use his PEDs to hit people.

GSP has been a stand up guy, he seems to be honest and has integrity. Do you think he'd be stepping down if he was using PEDs? Possibly.

IF GSP used PEDs to train, and tapered to fight, I suppose I could forgive him, but again, when you taper is when the effects are most pronounced.

I don't think fighters should use strength enhancement PEDs. I don't have a problem with them using limited recovery PEDs.

Ban hGH, Test, anabolic steroids and EPO. One use and you're suspended for a year. Two and it's two years. Three and you're out.

Allow cortisone, IGF-1 and other recovery PEDs (but not hGH).

So it depends on what GSP might have used for me to critize him.

 


allow PEDS, are you nuts? peds testing is for safety of the athlete not for anti cheating, get that into your head, right now!
1/16/14 8:30 AM
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What if OP was a murderer?

What if his mother is a prostitute?

What if his dad is a rapist?

What if his brother is a war criminal?

I'm not saying i believe any of those things, but they're not IMPOSSIBLE, are they? Given that anything could happen in this life, I wouldn't be surprised. Imagine teh ramufikashonz!!1!


Try again, Zuffa.
1/16/14 8:32 AM
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GarlicSauce - What if OP was a murderer?

What if his mother is a prostitute?

What if his dad is a rapist?

What if his brother is a war criminal?

I'm not saying i believe any of those things, but they're not IMPOSSIBLE, are they? Given that anything could happen in this life, I wouldn't be surprised. Imagine teh ramufikashonz!!1!


Try again, Zuffa.

ZUFFA is your GOD.
1/16/14 9:04 AM
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Affliction Blackbelt - What if...

what if one day you woke up and your nipples were completely gone, like no scars or anything, just flat skin. And then once you leave your room you find out your dad died last night and then several days later you find out that for your entire life your dad had been sneaking into your room while you slept and sucking on your chest to make to gigantic hickeys where your nipples should be because you were born without them. Not for any sexual reason, but just so you would fit in.

god bless you dad

You must be a huge GSP fan, conjuring his nipple tweaks of yesteryear. Ahhh, the good ole days.
1/16/14 9:21 AM
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kying418 - Chances are either GSP and/or a handful of his teammates have used PED's either in the past or present...thats just the reality of this sport.

That is why is is puzzling why he would speak out against their use now.

He has been speaking out against them for years now actually. And he is a pro athlete so no matter what he says there will always be people who think they have had to use PEDs even if they had never touched them.

As for OP, the problem w your question is that Lance never came out and said "PEDs are bad, we need to clean up things" blah blah blah like GSP had. He just did what he did and fucked over ANYBODY who got in his way. So the analogy doesn't really work.
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WidespreadPanic -

You have a flawed understanding of the issue.

1. LA was not just a PEDs user, he sued people, he ruined careers, he kept money that should have gone to charity.

2. LA rode a bicycle among other PEDs users. He did not use his PEDs to hit people.

GSP has been a stand up guy, he seems to be honest and has integrity. Do you think he'd be stepping down if he was using PEDs? Possibly.

IF GSP used PEDs to train, and tapered to fight, I suppose I could forgive him, but again, when you taper is when the effects are most pronounced.

I don't think fighters should use strength enhancement PEDs. I don't have a problem with them using limited recovery PEDs.

Ban hGH, Test, anabolic steroids and EPO. One use and you're suspended for a year. Two and it's two years. Three and you're out.

Allow cortisone, IGF-1 and other recovery PEDs (but not hGH).

So it depends on what GSP might have used for me to critize him.

 

So a guy who greases to win, is above using PEDs? Not sure how you come to that rationalization... Phone Post 3.0

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