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I talked shit on Cus and nobody came at me because you know what he did was fucked up.. He's another jerk that's worshipped around here. Cus basically bought a kid from the juvenile justice system because the child was as physically developed as a strong grown man, and then forced that kid to spend his days learning the craft of boxing, never giving a fuck about what that kid did when he wasn't training, watching videos, eating or sleeping.

Get a shrink to watch Tyson's redemptive one man show. He's still that same psycho, but he can do it with a smile instead of a scowl now. He's still manipulating. 

3/6/14 6:45 AM
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You know whats phony? Accepting a mans apology on TV but then turn around and gossip like a bitch when he leaves

3/6/14 7:39 AM
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spjackson77 - and teddy atlas is a faggot. His claim to fame is pulling a gun on tyson. If that never happened, nobody would ever know who this faggot is. fuck off you faggot, tyson owns you.

Teddy Atlas is huge in the boxing world. Let's not forget the prison term for rape, the ear and horrific stories from Tyson's past. Why does Tyson get a pass for this and Teddy is some how a POS?
3/6/14 7:50 AM
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Do you mean currently, or in the history of boxing?

3/6/14 8:40 AM
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GSPsShadyHandWraps - You know whats phony? Accepting a mans apology on TV but then turn around and gossip like a bitch when he leaves


This is true. 

I think the actual story was that Mike grabbed the girl and cornered her or pushed her against the wall and grabbed all over her. She was freaked out and Teddy lost his shit when he found out. 

Both guys are certifiable maniacs. 

3/6/14 8:45 AM
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Teddy and Mike should be a commenting team for Friday Night Fights. Would be as good as the fights.

3/6/14 9:22 AM
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spjackson77 - and teddy atlas is a faggot. His claim to fame is pulling a gun on tyson. If that never happened, nobody would ever know who this faggot is. fuck off you faggot, tyson owns you.

Team Tyson has some real intellects.
3/6/14 9:37 AM
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Tyson did a long interview on Stern last year and its hard to imagine how he was being fake or making anything up.  He was extremely contrite and self effacing 

3/6/14 9:43 AM
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Teddy was the one guy in Tysons camp who tried to stop his descent before it started. I don't think he is stuck on Tyson or a "hater" he's just the kind of guy that answers 100 percent honestly and authentic. If he really was trying to hurt Tyson he would put him down as a fighter and not a person, most people already have the opinion that Tyson was a shitty person for a long time. You can say he is complex but a lot of shitty people are complex.By phony, I think he means he isn't secure in who he is, Tyson seems to be very vulnerable to being changed, from Don King, to being a muslim, to being a crack head, to being talked into making fun of himself and to doing an interview where your wife calls you a wife beater on live tv
3/6/14 11:14 AM
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Lanceness021 - http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7PstNAXP73g

He admits to bringing a fake penis to fights, he says the one big regret of his career was not using growth hormone and anyone's supposed to believe he wasn't on roids ....

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7PstNAXP73g

 

Never saw this before, thanks & VTFU.

 

 

3/6/14 1:22 PM
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Phony... Hmm..

Well u can't fake destroying the shit out of dudes in the ring. Phone Post 3.0
3/6/14 3:14 PM
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Bobby Lupo laying the smack down all over the shop.

Good stuff

Also agree with thefightingsheep

"I think his tell-all confessions were filtered for consumption by a public that was supposed to forgive him. He cheated on women, but doesn't confess to beating them. He was using a fake penis to hide cocaine use from state athletic commissions, but not steroids. The things that would have really tarnished his legacy weren't talked about. "

Don't know if all that is true, but it is an interesting point
3/6/14 3:45 PM
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EEKS - Lupo, why all the hate on D'Amato? Are you upset at the fact that he dedicated himself to Patterson and Tyson, 2 of the best BLACK heavyweight champs of all time. Are you upset that he never gave a fuck about your god Marciano? Maybe, that he trained Jose Torres? Do you consider him a "sell out" because he hanged an American flag out in front of his Catskill mansion rather than an italian flag?

Jesus Christ. Calm down.
3/6/14 5:39 PM
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More Teddy stuff from the Tyson autobiography (which is a great read by the way.)


"Cus was having trouble with my trainer Teddy Atlas. They were fighting over money. Teddy had recently married into a family that Cus was really dubious about, so when Teddy needed money, Cus wouldn't give him much. Teddy was struggling, so he wanted me to turn pro so he could collect his share of my purses, but turning pro at that time wasn't in Cus's plan. So it was common knowledge that Teddy was going to leave Cus and that he would try to take me with him. There was no way in the world I would leave Cus."

On what happened after he did the butt grabbing:
"Later that evening my sparring partner drove me to the gym to work out with Teddy. I got out of the car and Teddy was waiting for me outside. He looked angry.

"Mike, come here. I want to talk with you," he said.

I went over to him and he pulled out a gun and held it to my head.

"Motherfucker, don't you ever touch my sister-in-law...."

He shot the gun into the air, right next to my ear. The sound was so deafening, I thought that he actually might have shot my ear off. And then Teddy ran. I would have too, because the gym was on top of a police station."
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"Camille was furious with Teddy. She wanted Cus to press charges and have him arrested but Cus wouldn't do that. He knew that Teddy was on probation for some other issue and that he would have gone right to jail. Teddy and his family eventually moved back to the city.

All this was my fault. I'm just sorry all that went down. After Teddy left, I started working with Kevin Rooney, another boxer who Cus converted into a trainer. Rooney and Teddy were childhood friends and Teddy had introduced Kevin to Cus. You can imagine how high the emotions ran when things played out the way they did."
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For later. Phone Post 3.0
3/6/14 6:11 PM
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JohnnyB1 - 

Here's a video of Mike coming up to him last year and apologizing to him for grabbing his niece's ass almost 30 years ago. He was man enough to look Teddy in the eye and say sorry I was wrong.

So someone apologized to you admitted they were wrong and you're still talkin shit. Fuck you Teddy.


thanks for posting that man. Mike is anything but phony.....honest to a fault if you ask me.
3/6/14 6:44 PM
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Wow crazy ass thread. I didn't know much on the topic of their relationship and TBH and I never heard Cus shit on prior to today.

The troubling thing here is there is that 'there is all this information' on both sides of the fence  with no sources I can find at all to support the claims!!.

"You should hear what he says when the camera's off. "

Well great, do you hang with Mike? How to you know this stuff? Not saying true of false but the claims without ANY sources are worthless IMO. 

"Oh so and so poster knows". Great how do you know he knows, I have no idea how you know.

Those posters who made claims here on both (either) sides here can you source any of them at all?

3/6/14 7:26 PM
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BlackJesus - 
I love me some Mike Tyson, I remember coming home frozen from cub scouts and watching him kick the shit out of Marvis Frazier in under 30sec and I was hooked. Mike wasn't a good person and he did a lot of bad things.
I think that Teddy was made that Cus took Mike's side, I also think that Teddy thought that when Cus died, or hung it up he was going  take over training Mike and not Kevin Rooney. In the end I think that Teddy is like Uncle Rico thinking about what might have been.
I think if Cus would have been 15 or 20 years younger he would have kept Mike away from Don King and  Mike would have turned out different
 
we would have seen some amazing things from him

VU  good man! loved that.

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Bobby Lupo - 

I talked shit on Cus and nobody came at me because you know what he did was fucked up.. He's another jerk that's worshipped around here. Cus basically bought a kid from the juvenile justice system because the child was as physically developed as a strong grown man, and then forced that kid to spend his days learning the craft of boxing, never giving a fuck about what that kid did when he wasn't training, watching videos, eating or sleeping.

Get a shrink to watch Tyson's redemptive one man show. He's still that same psycho, but he can do it with a smile instead of a scowl now. He's still manipulating. 


He's still that same psycho,

so? At least the dude is genuinely trying to change. I think he is anyway I guess it's a matter of opinion to believe him or not. btw Lupo I enjoy your posts been a long time lurker don't post often even after joining but you know what you're talking about and are educated about the fight game, UG needs posters like that......way too many morons here who have no clue as to what they are speaking about.
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Bobby Lupo - 

Teddy and Mike should be a commenting team for Friday Night Fights. Would be as good as the fights.


I wouldn't miss a fight if so.....
3/6/14 7:54 PM
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Bobby Lupo - 

I talked shit on Cus and nobody came at me because you know what he did was fucked up.. He's another jerk that's worshipped around here. Cus basically bought a kid from the juvenile justice system because the child was as physically developed as a strong grown man, and then forced that kid to spend his days learning the craft of boxing, never giving a fuck about what that kid did when he wasn't training, watching videos, eating or sleeping.

Get a shrink to watch Tyson's redemptive one man show. He's still that same psycho, but he can do it with a smile instead of a scowl now. He's still manipulating. 


He's still that same psycho,

so? At least the dude is genuinely trying to change. I think he is anyway I guess it's a matter of opinion to believe him or not. btw Lupo I enjoy your posts been a long time lurker don't post often even after joining but you know what you're talking about and are educated about the fight game, UG needs posters like that......way too many morons here who have no clue as to what they are speaking about.

You showed Lupo respect. You got potential, kid.
3/6/14 9:28 PM
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"At the age of 13 he met Bobby Stewart, who taught him the fundamentals of boxing.  Stewart had been the 178-pound national Golden Gloves champion, which is to say he could fight. Within a few months, however, Tyson was giving him all he could handle. Stewart took the boy to his friend Cus D'Amato

D'Amato had become reclusive in the last years, at least as distrustful of the Don Kings and Bob Arums as he had been of guys like Frankie Carbo and Blinky Palermo back when they owned and operated the sport. He lived in a large farmhouse outside Catskill, New York, overlooking the Hudson River, and trained his fighters in the gym on the third floor of Citizens Hose Company, in town.P

He educated the boy in his house and in his gym; and if you were looking for the difference between Mike Tyson and the other fighters D'Amato had taught, it probably lay in the depth of Tyson's understanding of the things D'Amato was teaching him.P

It is one thing to know what words mean and accept them, it is another thing to believe them. You may understand intellectually that courage is not a constant in anyone and that discipline is—or can be. Discipline will get you through the times when your courage fades. But for discipline to help when everything inside you is suddenly calling in sick, you have to believe it. It has to be true, or it's useless.?P

So what I mean by teaching is not that D'Amato put anything inside Tyson but that he showed him where it was and how to use it. At any rate, Tyson stayed with D'Amato in the house overlooking the Hudson until the old man died on November 4, 1985. He was 77 years old. Tyson was 19, a professional fighter for only eight months. His mother was dead. He had fought 13 times and knocked 13 people out. Nine in the first round."

http://thestacks.deadspin.com/that-moment-before-it-starts-when-youre-scared-tyso-1462265187

 

"Mike Tyson talks about his REAL Father Cus D'Amato" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNJ7vwBLKjc

Yea Cus sounds like a real piece of crap LMFAO. Well one reference is just a source and the other was on camera so it must be BS. 

The UG, let me listen to a clown shoe pikers who knows Cus should be shit on, no source of course, they just fuckin know, they heard off camera!  The rest of the thread I'd guess is just as legit as the sourceless shitting on Cus. 

3/6/14 9:30 PM
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EEKS - Lupo, why all the hate on D'Amato? Are you upset at the fact that he dedicated himself to Patterson and Tyson, 2 of the best BLACK heavyweight champs of all time. Are you upset that he never gave a fuck about your god Marciano? Maybe, that he trained Jose Torres? Do you consider him a "sell out" because he hanged an American flag out in front of his Catskill mansion rather than an italian flag?
Cus would have blown Rocky if he asked him to.

My favorite boxers are all black Americans, so don't make it a race or nationality thing. Phone Post 3.0
3/6/14 9:37 PM
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"Back in the early Sixties, when Floyd Patterson was still heavyweight champion of the world, an intelligent and high-spirited boxing writer named Jack McKinney was passing an afternoon in Darien, Connecticut, with Cus D'Amato, talking, among other things, about Patterson's upcoming fight with Sonny Liston. D'Amato, of course, was Patterson's manager.?P

In its way, it was a melancholy conversation. The question was not if Liston would win but if Patterson—a limited fighter—would be maimed. D'Amato cared more for the fighter than the title."

Same source as the 1st one above. More proof Cus should be shit on right UG?

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