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4/4/14 5:51 PM
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Jorgensen’s management team, MMA Inc., announced on Friday via Twitter that the Brazilian MMA Athletic Commission (CABMMA) has reviewed the fight and concluded that Jussier Formiga’s non-intentional headbutt didn’t play a big enough factor in the finish, so they denied Jorgensen’s appeal.
 
CABMMA director Cristiano Sampaio confirmed the information to MMAFighting.com.
 
Formiga scored a first-round submission victory over Jorgensen at UFC Fight Night 38 in Natal, Brazil, on March 23, with a rear-naked choke.
 
 
 
"Formiga's non-intentional headbutt didn't play a big enough factor in the finish"
 
uhhh, what? This is complete garbage. Jorgensen said he essentially woke up in the RNC. They better schedule a rematch.
 
Jussier Formiga has one of the single best back-takes in the sport. All he needs is a small window of opportunity. The clash of heads gave it to him. The referee Wernei Cardoso should have called a break in the action to check on the fighter.
 
If this fight took place in the US it would have been overturned by the next day. Just like Oliveira-Lentz.
4/4/14 5:52 PM
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Didnt play a big enough factor?

Those fuckers would have overturned it if it had been Formiga getting butted then choked/GNPs right afterwards.

Bullshit. Scott was winning that fight and really desperately needed a win. Unlucky man.
4/4/14 6:11 PM
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Im probably the biggest Formiga fan around but that fucking sucks for Scottie. I wonder they would react different had he been choked out right away instead of defending for a while. He started defending his neck with about 2:35 left in the round and didnt tap until a couple a choke attempts and about 40 seconds later.

Shitty ending, hopefully they rematch.
4/4/14 6:18 PM
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Fucking bullshit

4/4/14 6:23 PM
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Gobulcoque - Meh, it wasn't an intentional headbutt... He should protect himself better.
That's fucking stupid of you to say.

That's like getting t-boned by a guy that ran a red light then saying "well, he ran the light, but you should drive better". Phone Post 3.0
4/4/14 6:26 PM
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Gobulcoque - Meh, it wasn't an intentional headbutt... He should protect himself better.
That's fucking stupid of you to say.

That's like getting t-boned by a guy that ran a red light then saying "well, he ran the light, but you should drive better". Phone Post 3.0

his statement didn't even have a "but", as in putting all the blame on you if you get t-boned. fucking MORRAAAAAN
4/4/14 6:30 PM
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Jimmy Wrassler - Im probably the biggest Formiga fan around but that fucking sucks for Scottie. I wonder they would react different had he been choked out right away instead of defending for a while. He started defending his neck with about 2:35 left in the round and didnt tap until a couple a choke attempts and about 40 seconds later.

Shitty ending, hopefully they rematch.
That gif is really misleading then Phone Post 3.0
4/4/14 6:30 PM
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Lets not get too mad. Brazilians are shady as fuck: ez normal. Phone Post 3.0
4/4/14 8:59 PM
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Bullshit Phone Post 3.0
4/4/14 9:49 PM
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Gobulcoque - Meh, it wasn't an intentional headbutt... He should protect himself better.
That's fucking stupid of you to say.

That's like getting t-boned by a guy that ran a red light then saying "well, he ran the light, but you should drive better". Phone Post 3.0
Honestly you should drive better even if you get t boned. Just because it's a green light doesn't mean you shouldn't look to see if some maniac is speeding along. Phone Post 3.0

Homework time! Call your car insurance company tomorrow, and say "Under what cirsumstances can I T-bone someone, and it not be my fault?" then report back here.
4/4/14 9:50 PM
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meh, he ran right into it. shit happens. i don't think the headbutt was intentional, dude was just trying to utilize evasive head movement.

4/4/14 9:54 PM
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That is a very misleading GIF as it cuts to the choke getting sunk and ignores there was a decent amount of time between the HB and the choke getting set up.

Love Scott, agree the HB should have been noticed by the ref, but I feel Scott is exaggerating a lot when he claims he woke up in a choke. He was not unconscious from the HB, and was clearly trying to defend and get back up the entire time on the ground.

Shitty situation but I don't feel it should be overturned. Phone Post 3.0
4/4/14 9:55 PM
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GOREILLAMAN -
Jimmy Wrassler - Im probably the biggest Formiga fan around but that fucking sucks for Scottie. I wonder they would react different had he been choked out right away instead of defending for a while. He started defending his neck with about 2:35 left in the round and didnt tap until a couple a choke attempts and about 40 seconds later.

Shitty ending, hopefully they rematch.
That gif is really misleading then Phone Post 3.0
It is a cut up gif. Very misleading. Phone Post 3.0
4/4/14 10:54 PM
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Gobulcoque - Meh, it wasn't an intentional headbutt... He should protect himself better.
That's fucking stupid of you to say.

That's like getting t-boned by a guy that ran a red light then saying "well, he ran the light, but you should drive better". Phone Post 3.0

his statement didn't even have a "but", as in putting all the blame on you if you get t-boned. fucking MORRAAAAAN
Go fuck yourself Phone Post 3.0
4/4/14 10:59 PM
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Gobulcoque - Meh, it wasn't an intentional headbutt... He should protect himself better.
That's fucking stupid of you to say.

That's like getting t-boned by a guy that ran a red light then saying "well, he ran the light, but you should drive better". Phone Post 3.0
Honestly you should drive better even if you get t boned. Just because it's a green light doesn't mean you shouldn't look to see if some maniac is speeding along. Phone Post 3.0
Wow seriously? That's a pretty fucking stupid statement.

I can't believe people like you actually exist. Imagine cruising along at 40 MPH and out of NOWHERE a truck slams into you at the intersection. Your arm is broken, some ribs, and you are bleeding from the head. Turns out an organ was struck and you need to have immediate surgery. You are laying on the surgery table just before you go under, and you are saying this is the thought that pops in your head?

"Wow, I really should have fucking driven better, that accident was my fault".

GTFO, I hope you are not a cop or insurance agent. Phone Post 3.0
4/4/14 11:00 PM
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Commission made the same decision every commission out there would. If they started overturning a referee's decision based on video replay you might as well kiss the sport goodbye because every second fight is going to have an appeal for one reason or another, and it will be weeks before we actually knew who won.

The ref has a tough job and the Commission's role is not to make it tougher by second guessing them all the time.
4/4/14 11:03 PM
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Gobulcoque -
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Gobulcoque - Meh, it wasn't an intentional headbutt... He should protect himself better.
That's fucking stupid of you to say.

That's like getting t-boned by a guy that ran a red light then saying "well, he ran the light, but you should drive better". Phone Post 3.0

Your analogy would be ok if I was complaining about getting hit while driving bumper cars.

Dude is in a fight, he is expecting to get hit and it's his job to protect himself at all times, while it was a foul, he still failed to protect himself and the ref didn't see it. This happens in sports constantly.
Well yeah, it's the middle of the fight. The guy is not expecting to get head butted. It doesn't exactly come at you the same way as a punch, I'm not aware of any way of predicting it and moving away.

Have any special techniques on head butt defense you can show us? Perhaps an instructional video on head-butt checking? Maybe ways to counter them?

Or even better, maybe an iron lining to put on the inside of your skull so you don't get dazed or affected by one?

Just what I thought. Phone Post 3.0
4/4/14 11:04 PM
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4/4/14 11:08 PM
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Amashinga - Commission made the same decision every commission out there would. If they started overturning a referee's decision based on video replay you might as well kiss the sport goodbye because every second fight is going to have an appeal for one reason or another, and it will be weeks before we actually knew who won.

The ref has a tough job and the Commission's role is not to make it tougher by second guessing them all the time.
This is 100% accurate. No commission would overturn that result.

Since this is the UG though, no one will accept that reality and everyone will just cry racism and other ignorant shit. Phone Post 3.0
4/5/14 12:38 AM
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That ref, Warnei cardoso or whatever, is something of concern.

In his debut event alone he screwed Jorgensen and royally fucked Siler on that
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4/5/14 10:39 AM
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Amashinga - Commission made the same decision every commission out there would. If they started overturning a referee's decision based on video replay you might as well kiss the sport goodbye because every second fight is going to have an appeal for one reason or another, and it will be weeks before we actually knew who won.

The ref has a tough job and the Commission's role is not to make it tougher by second guessing them all the time.
This is 100% accurate. No commission would overturn that result.

Since this is the UG though, no one will accept that reality and everyone will just cry racism and other ignorant shit. Phone Post 3.0

No commission would overturn that result?

Did you not see Charles Oliveira vs. Nik Lentz? Oliveira hit him with an illegal knee that the referee did not see and Lentz was subsequently choked with an RNC a minute or so later. It was overturned within days and changed to a NC.

This was an illegal strike that lead directly to a dominant position where the fight ended. Yeah, such ignorant shit.

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caposa -
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Amashinga - Commission made the same decision every commission out there would. If they started overturning a referee's decision based on video replay you might as well kiss the sport goodbye because every second fight is going to have an appeal for one reason or another, and it will be weeks before we actually knew who won.

The ref has a tough job and the Commission's role is not to make it tougher by second guessing them all the time.
This is 100% accurate. No commission would overturn that result.

Since this is the UG though, no one will accept that reality and everyone will just cry racism and other ignorant shit. Phone Post 3.0

No commission would overturn that result?

Did you not see Charles Oliveira vs. Nik Lentz? Oliveira hit him with an illegal knee that the referee did not see and Lentz was subsequently choked with an RNC a minute or so later. It was overturned within days and changed to a NC.

This was an illegal strike that lead directly to a dominant position where the fight ended. Yeah, such ignorant shit.

An illegal knee is a little bit different than a mutual head butt. It's kinda sad that you can't see that... Phone Post 3.0
4/5/14 10:59 AM
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caposa -
FETT_Lay'n'PrayNINJA - 
Amashinga - Commission made the same decision every commission out there would. If they started overturning a referee's decision based on video replay you might as well kiss the sport goodbye because every second fight is going to have an appeal for one reason or another, and it will be weeks before we actually knew who won.

The ref has a tough job and the Commission's role is not to make it tougher by second guessing them all the time.
This is 100% accurate. No commission would overturn that result.

Since this is the UG though, no one will accept that reality and everyone will just cry racism and other ignorant shit. Phone Post 3.0

No commission would overturn that result?

Did you not see Charles Oliveira vs. Nik Lentz? Oliveira hit him with an illegal knee that the referee did not see and Lentz was subsequently choked with an RNC a minute or so later. It was overturned within days and changed to a NC.

This was an illegal strike that lead directly to a dominant position where the fight ended. Yeah, such ignorant shit.

An illegal knee is a little bit different than a mutual head butt. It's kinda sad that you can't see that... Phone Post 3.0

Not really, they are both illegal maneuvers.

Mutal headbutt. OK. You mean the top of Formiga's skull landing on Jorgensen's chin? How exactly is that mutual? Regardless, one fighter was knocked down and stunned by a headbutt, the other wasn't.. There should have been a break in action. It's kinda sad people can't grasp this concept.

For the commission to say that it wasn't significant is ridiculous.

4/5/14 11:04 AM
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zazen br - That ref, Warnei cardoso or whatever, is something of concern.

In his debut event alone he screwed Jorgensen and royally fucked Siler on that
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He's also the one who fucked Norman Parke with the wacky point deductions.

He massively influenced the outcome of 3 fights in favor of Brazillians. Should never work again, you couldn't have a worse showing.
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FETT_Lay'n'PrayNINJA - That is a very misleading GIF as it cuts to the choke getting sunk and ignores there was a decent amount of time between the HB and the choke getting set up.

Love Scott, agree the HB should have been noticed by the ref, but I feel Scott is exaggerating a lot when he claims he woke up in a choke. He was not unconscious from the HB, and was clearly trying to defend and get back up the entire time on the ground.

Shitty situation but I don't feel it should be overturned. Phone Post 3.0
This. Vu Phone Post 3.0

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