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4/8/14 2:23 PM
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Madrugadao - If the UFC keep giving WSOF top fighters, they will be the number 2 org in no time...
lol UFC would not release a top fighter in their prime. Phone Post 3.0
4/8/14 2:35 PM
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Dana White has epically failed again on a very stupid thing which he hasn't thought through. The reason why he dropped Jake Shields is because he didnt what to pay him what he has earned over the last 10 years. Also because he wants to see retards fighting like crazed chickens not real martial artists whether they be strikers or grapplers.

Please any Dana nuthugger explain to me if this actually makes sense and "someone winning the tite actually makes a difference in the UFC then explain CHAEL SONNEN?
4/8/14 2:37 PM
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PS Shields is a top fighter everyoine knows that pretty much anyone in the top ten could have there day and if there on then they could win the title.
4/8/14 2:52 PM
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it was time

4/8/14 3:20 PM
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It's all about putting butts in seats. If guys don't do that for what the UFC pays them, they go. It's that simple.

4/8/14 4:23 PM
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Madrugadao - If the UFC keep giving WSOF top fighters, they will be the number 2 org in no time...
lol UFC would not release a top fighter in their prime. Phone Post 3.0

lol? So, are you saying Shields is not a top fighter or is past his prime?
Shields is a top fighter, but he's in his mid 30's and has been fighting since the late 90's. Yes, he's past his prime. Phone Post 3.0
4/8/14 4:25 PM
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Well he's right. Like it or not the Baldfather makes sense Phone Post 3.0
4/8/14 4:35 PM
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So he cut him because he's not top ten?  Are they only planning on having 10 people in each division now?

4/8/14 4:36 PM
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ophusker - This is another reason why I think the UFC pay structure is bullshit. A guy like Shields works hard and works his way up to decent money and then they cut him after one loss so they can hire a guy making 10/10 to replace him. Why would any decent athlete ever want to get into MMA with a strcture like that?
Ever watch the NFL? The entire league is based on that. Phone Post 3.0
4/8/14 6:51 PM
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Lol how many guys in the ufc are going to be the guy then? Why not release them all and have fuck all fighters. Its times like this when you know MMA isn't a sport its a private business owned by ZUFFA, bush league.
4/8/14 7:34 PM
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IGOTBELCHED - Lol how many guys in the ufc are going to be the guy then? Why not release them all and have fuck all fighters. Its times like this when you know MMA isn't a sport its a private business owned by ZUFFA, bush league.
most pro sports are private businesses. and most have built in rule to prevent stalling. shot clock in basketball and play clock in football. if there was a "do something" clock in mma fighters like Jake would get taken care of appropriately. Phone Post 3.0
4/8/14 8:03 PM
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Then why the hell did you go out of your way to sign him u fucktard Phone Post 3.0
4/8/14 8:08 PM
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IGOTBELCHED - Lol how many guys in the ufc are going to be the guy then? Why not release them all and have fuck all fighters. Its times like this when you know MMA isn't a sport its a private business owned by ZUFFA, bush league.
most pro sports are private businesses. and most have built in rule to prevent stalling. shot clock in basketball and play clock in football. if there was a "do something" clock in mma fighters like Jake would get taken care of appropriately. Phone Post 3.0

and that its who is fault? Btw they do have built in rules to prevent stalling. Refs stand people up all the time.
4/8/14 8:15 PM
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IGOTBELCHED - Lol how many guys in the ufc are going to be the guy then? Why not release them all and have fuck all fighters. Its times like this when you know MMA isn't a sport its a private business owned by ZUFFA, bush league.
most pro sports are private businesses. and most have built in rule to prevent stalling. shot clock in basketball and play clock in football. if there was a "do something" clock in mma fighters like Jake would get taken care of appropriately. Phone Post 3.0

and that its who is fault? Btw they do have built in rules to prevent stalling. Refs stand people up all the time.
the fault of the guy stalling. and standups are at refs discretion. not a valid point Phone Post 3.0
4/8/14 8:19 PM
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IGOTBELCHED - Lol how many guys in the ufc are going to be the guy then? Why not release them all and have fuck all fighters. Its times like this when you know MMA isn't a sport its a private business owned by ZUFFA, bush league.
most pro sports are private businesses. and most have built in rule to prevent stalling. shot clock in basketball and play clock in football. if there was a "do something" clock in mma fighters like Jake would get taken care of appropriately. Phone Post 3.0

and that its who is fault? Btw they do have built in rules to prevent stalling. Refs stand people up all the time.
the fault of the guy stalling. and standups are at refs discretion. not a valid point Phone Post 3.0

Its the fault of the guy stalling? not the people who make the rules? are you really that stupid?
4/8/14 8:23 PM
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saying the rules rely on "ref discretion" doesnt change the fact that mma has "built in rules to prevent stalling" also. So yeah it is a valid point.
4/8/14 8:25 PM
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seriously though, you are blaming the guy who is following the rules. Not the rulesmaker themselves. How dumb can you get? How can he be at fault if he is abiding by the rules he didnt put in place?
4/8/14 8:27 PM
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IGOTBELCHED - Lol how many guys in the ufc are going to be the guy then? Why not release them all and have fuck all fighters. Its times like this when you know MMA isn't a sport its a private business owned by ZUFFA, bush league.
most pro sports are private businesses. and most have built in rule to prevent stalling. shot clock in basketball and play clock in football. if there was a "do something" clock in mma fighters like Jake would get taken care of appropriately. Phone Post 3.0

and that its who is fault? Btw they do have built in rules to prevent stalling. Refs stand people up all the time.
the fault of the guy stalling. and standups are at refs discretion. not a valid point Phone Post 3.0

Its the fault of the guy stalling? not the people who make the rules? are you really that stupid?
lol. yeah sure tell that to free agent shields. blame the commission, they forced him to stall and lose his job. its not like a precedent wasn't already set. go watch him "fight" askren in Singapore. bring condoms. Phone Post 3.0
4/8/14 8:29 PM
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Wow lots of blubbering vaginas here. Shields was only signed to the UFC because there was literally no one else for GSP to fight. St.Pierre carried him 5 rounds to make it look like a challenge, and in his very next fight he got destroyed by a no-name fighter in 56 seconds (before you cry nobody in casual-fan world knows who Ellenberger is) Jake has always had the stand up of a 9 year old girl.

4/8/14 8:31 PM
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IGOTBELCHED - Lol how many guys in the ufc are going to be the guy then? Why not release them all and have fuck all fighters. Its times like this when you know MMA isn't a sport its a private business owned by ZUFFA, bush league.
most pro sports are private businesses. and most have built in rule to prevent stalling. shot clock in basketball and play clock in football. if there was a "do something" clock in mma fighters like Jake would get taken care of appropriately. Phone Post 3.0

and that its who is fault? Btw they do have built in rules to prevent stalling. Refs stand people up all the time.
the fault of the guy stalling. and standups are at refs discretion. not a valid point Phone Post 3.0

Its a valid point, if the rules are in place then its up to the ref to enforce them. If the rules condone grinding a guy out with superior grappling, then don't release a guy for being successful at it, expect the competition to up their game. That's how real sports operate.


The bottom line is it doesn't matter whether you find Shields boring or not. He uses his skillset to be successful and in a real sports promotion that is enough. To use the basketball analogy you raised, you can't get rid of a Tim Duncan just because kids like the flash of D Rose. The whole point of the sport is to find out on any given night who's skillset will translate best.

I would have less of a problem with this if Dana stopped trying to pretend that they give a shit about the legitimacy of the sport, the title and the fighters and just admitted that now driving revenue and entertainment is more important than the legitimacy of the sport.

And I don't have a problem with that, its their business and they're entitled to make the additions and cuts as they see fit.

It's Dana's demeaning of the fighters and their abilities to justify his decisions that really pisses me off. Stop blaming the fighters and just admit you care more about profit than the sport, and at least then the fighters and fans know where they stand.
4/8/14 8:32 PM
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also some of you doofuses are under the impression that the ufc is some "for honor" kumite. its not, this is prizefighting, for both the fighter and the promoter. if the $ invested in a fighter doesn't have a sufficient return, they are gone. not allowed to stick around on a technicality. Phone Post 3.0
4/8/14 8:48 PM
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IGOTBELCHED - Lol how many guys in the ufc are going to be the guy then? Why not release them all and have fuck all fighters. Its times like this when you know MMA isn't a sport its a private business owned by ZUFFA, bush league.
most pro sports are private businesses. and most have built in rule to prevent stalling. shot clock in basketball and play clock in football. if there was a "do something" clock in mma fighters like Jake would get taken care of appropriately. Phone Post 3.0

and that its who is fault? Btw they do have built in rules to prevent stalling. Refs stand people up all the time.
the fault of the guy stalling. and standups are at refs discretion. not a valid point Phone Post 3.0

Its a valid point, if the rules are in place then its up to the ref to enforce them. If the rules condone grinding a guy out with superior grappling, then don't release a guy for being successful at it, expect the competition to up their game. That's how real sports operate.


The bottom line is it doesn't matter whether you find Shields boring or not. He uses his skillset to be successful and in a real sports promotion that is enough. To use the basketball analogy you raised, you can't get rid of a Tim Duncan just because kids like the flash of D Rose. The whole point of the sport is to find out on any given night who's skillset will translate best.

I would have less of a problem with this if Dana stopped trying to pretend that they give a shit about the legitimacy of the sport, the title and the fighters and just admitted that now driving revenue and entertainment is more important than the legitimacy of the sport.

And I don't have a problem with that, its their business and they're entitled to make the additions and cuts as they see fit.

It's Dana's demeaning of the fighters and their abilities to justify his decisions that really pisses me off. Stop blaming the fighters and just admit you care more about profit than the sport, and at least then the fighters and fans know where they stand.
the basketball comparison would be valid only if there was no shot clock. imagine NBA without a shot clock and a player able to score 10 pts in a game and skillful enough to keep the ball away from everybody else.

would fans defend him and talk about the superior ball control? Phone Post 3.0
4/8/14 8:56 PM
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He was never going to be "the guy", but he was always the guy who could beat "the guy", albeit by blanket grappling. I've always felt there's a place for the Shields/Fitch's of the MMA world. If you can't beat em, then you need to put in some more work Phone Post 3.0
4/8/14 9:14 PM
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Shields had his shot, he fought for the title for goodness sake. There is no reason for the UFC to pay him high $$$ to be a gate keeper. He is on the downside of his career and it was time for the UFC to move on. It happens in every sport, guys like Shields are good but really have a limited ceiling, and if you are the UFC you want to find someone with more upside.

Sure it sucks for Shields but business is business.
4/8/14 9:20 PM
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<blockquote>danggook - <span id='userPost49008270' class='User-333066'><blockquote>IGOTBELCHED - Lol how many guys in the ufc are going to be the guy then? Why not release them all and have fuck all fighters. Its times like this when you know MMA isn't a sport its a private business owned by ZUFFA, bush league.</blockquote>most pro sports are private businesses. and most have built in rule to prevent stalling. shot clock in basketball and play clock in football. if there was a "do something" clock in mma fighters like Jake would get taken care of appropriately. <img src="/images/phone/droid.png" alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/></span></blockquote><br /> <br />
Not really, sports leagues are private businesses for the most part not sports. In response to your point on the shot clock, okay that enhances the game, fair enough, however take this analogy, say in premier league football, a team can go through the season grinding results and as long as they get enough points regardless of style by the end of the season as long as they are not in the bottom three in the league they stay up, a team isn't just relegated because they play ugly football.

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